Saturday, January 13, 2007
No smoke yet - Redux
Still no official word from the Sinn Féin Ard Chomhairle meeting in Dublin today, but given that they have confirmed that Gerry Adams has recommended that the Ard Fheis on policing should go ahead, and they’ve also given a date, 28th January, it’s unlikely to be rejected at this point. What will be more interesting to see is whether any motion to be proposed, and/or the support for the rule of law, will be conditional.. and whether the un-met conditions of Motion 395 are mentioned at any point.. Update Ignore the post title - Smoke spotted.. looks greyish to me
Here’s the interesting part of the official word in relation to the points I was raising
The Ard Chomhairle is proposing that an Extraordinary Ard Fheis adopts this motion and gives the Ard Chomhairle the responsibility and authority to fully implement all elements of it. The necessary context for this is the re-establishment of the political institutions and confirmation that policing and justice powers will be transferred to these institutions or when acceptable new partnership arrangements to implement the Good Friday Agreement are in place. [added emphasis]
It would be entirely wrong to allow the most negative elements of unionism a veto over republican and nationalist efforts to achieve the new beginning to policing promised in the Good Friday Agreement. Sinn Fein will not be paralysed by rejectionist elements of the DUP.
There are also those within the PSNI who are opposed to change. In this context, I have been made aware of incidents in parts of South Derry, Castlederg and County Armagh where local PSNI units are involved in trying to destabilise nationalist communities. This is entirely predictable and needs to be stopped.
As previously mentioned, the imposition of those powers without the support of the Assembly would be “a constitutional nonsense”.. even though that target date may be “a Government objective”..
Adds I’ve extended the emphasis to include the line that seems to cede responsibility for implementing the motion to the Ard Chomhairle
The Ard Chomhairle is proposing that an Extraordinary Ard Fheis adopts this motion and gives the Ard Chomhairle the responsibility and authority to fully implement all elements of it.
Pete Baker @ 08:09 PM
There’ll be smoke within the next hour it said on rte.
Join the peelers to remove britain from ireland.
Posted by on Jan 13, 2007 @ 08:23 PMGerry what about all the british people who live in that place you call Ireland?
Ah dont bother replying, ive heard every answer on that already…
Posted by on Jan 13, 2007 @ 08:27 PMI’LL answer anyway. art hostage on another thread said its yes from the PA, you yokel say you are stunned. Are you confused? This wasn’t the british people we are talking about, but the people who are in sf as a political party.
Posted by on Jan 13, 2007 @ 08:33 PMGerry
You see these little series of dots
.........
I tend to use those at the end of sentences when I’m expressing irony or mock.
I did have an earlier post saying does any believe they won’t go to AF.
Regards
Posted by on Jan 13, 2007 @ 08:42 PMBy the way, that post above wasnt taking the piss....
Hpow ironic that the verifcation word is ‘police82’.
Posted by on Jan 13, 2007 @ 08:46 PMed moloney is good now on radio free eireann.
Posted by on Jan 13, 2007 @ 08:46 PMBut you’re using the dots ..... Yokel are you confused again?
just taking the piss....
Posted by on Jan 13, 2007 @ 08:48 PMYokel,
Gerry is not that bright mate! spell it out for him.
In respect to the AC. Adams has NO choice.
It is on , so will the AF. Look on the bright side? once the AF is announced we can enjoy the return of Ding Ding.
Ingram
Posted by on Jan 13, 2007 @ 08:49 PMWe can drag this one out as long as like Gerry....
Posted by on Jan 13, 2007 @ 08:51 PMJust looking on RTE website...can’t believe it..Carole Malone has been evicted from the Big Brother House…
Posted by on Jan 13, 2007 @ 08:54 PMok, in future i’ll look for the dots.......
Posted by on Jan 13, 2007 @ 08:54 PMGuys
Can we keep to the topic?
And you have seen the update..
Posted by on Jan 13, 2007 @ 08:56 PMDo people want to put their interpretation on it.
I’m off to get a cup of tea.
Posted by on Jan 13, 2007 @ 09:00 PMHaedly a great surprise, this was always going to be the outcome.
The Ard Fheis should be an iteresting affair
Posted by on Jan 13, 2007 @ 09:02 PMWhy so Chris, surely its going through and going through soundly enough? Unless the party was under so much external pressure that it HAD to bend it wouldnt go unless it was confident of winning well.
Secondly what was teh majority at thsi meeting today to go to AF? Last meeting it was 2/3’s in favour of calling it.
Posted by on Jan 13, 2007 @ 09:05 PM#
Haedly a great surprise, this was always going to be the outcome.
The Ard Fheis should be an iteresting affair
Keyboard on fire Chris?
Posted by on Jan 13, 2007 @ 09:07 PMinteresting link put up by pete. The SF website covers exactly what they are doing, looks to me like they are about to deliver. Chris does this mean you will resign.
Posted by on Jan 13, 2007 @ 09:08 PMChris,
quote"The Ard Fheis should be an interesting affair
Posted by Chris Gaskin on Jan 13, 2007 @ 08:02 PM
WHY will it be interesting? it will be like backing in a one horse race.Walkover.
Adams has only lost one self inspired motion in 21 years. He would not have called this AF IF he DID NOT KNOW he would win it.Those that were not of a simmilar mind will be invited to visit the Granny that weekend..
The last two weeks have been like I said they would, veneer. This was always going to be the outcome.
The AF will confirm, aint NO doubt.
Ding Ding
Martin
Posted by on Jan 13, 2007 @ 09:10 PMThere are also those within the PSNI who are opposed to change. In this context, I have been made aware of incidents in parts of South Derry, Castlederg and County Armagh where local PSNI units are involved in trying to destabilise nationalist communities. This is entirely predictable and needs to be stopped.
I wonder what this is all about, and whether or not a complaint has been made to the Police Ombudsman.
Posted by on Jan 13, 2007 @ 09:12 PMMr Ingram
The question is, if they werent under external pressure, ie beyond their membership and electorate, would they have called it?
Posted by on Jan 13, 2007 @ 09:13 PMComrade Stalin
Playing to the gallery. By the way Stalin you still sporting a moustache?
Posted by on Jan 13, 2007 @ 09:14 PMthe last two weeks have been like I said they would. veneer. this was always going to be the outcome.
wow isn’t he insightful........
*yokel notice the dots?
Posted by on Jan 13, 2007 @ 09:14 PMYokel
“Last meeting it was 2/3’s in favour of calling it.”
The AC has to pass with at least 2/3 in favour or it cant go to AF.
The AF will be interesting - remnants of 86 with a walkout by principled people. Watch the DUP go into overdrive in the next two weeks as they try to manipulate any split within SF.
Posted by on Jan 13, 2007 @ 09:17 PMCould see them even I was looking at the back of the monitor Gerry, thats how clear they are....
Posted by on Jan 13, 2007 @ 09:18 PMsurely its going through and going through soundly enough?
How do you work that out?
This Ard Fheis, unlike most others, is unique for more than one reason.
This will be the first Ard Fheis where the vast majority of delegates do not have a free vote.
At most Ard Fheisana many delegates are given a wide degree of power by their respective cumann to “decide on the day” how best to vote. This leads to many members simply looking up at the top table and voting accordingly.
This Ard Fheis is different as nearly every cumman will have instructed their delegates to vote a certain way. That decision by the cumann will be totally independent and can’t be influenced by any outside forces.
In essance the Ard Chomairle can say what it likes on the day but that decision will have already been made by cumann across the country.
I put my faith in their good judgement.
wouldnt go unless it was confident of winning well
I am not so sure, it may suit them to allow it to fail (it am not saying that it will or should)
Then can then say to the Brits
“look we tried but they won’t budge, we need you to go further”
Secondly what was teh majority at thsi meeting today to go to AF? Last meeting it was 2/3’s in favour of calling it
It’s 2/3 again. 56 people have the right to attend but only 46 have the right to vote, it must be 2/3 of that 46. In essence at least 30 must have voted in favour.
Posted by on Jan 13, 2007 @ 09:19 PM
