Wednesday, February 01, 2006
McGuinness: IMC’s winks, nods and innuendo
A clearly angry Martin McGuinness kicked off a press conference in Belfast just now by refering to the IMC as the non independent monitoring commission. He ruled it as having no place in the political process, that it clearly was set up to target Sinn Fein, that since its sources, he alleged, were in the Special Branch it was nothing more than a proxy for political policing and was operating an anti-Republican agenda.
He then called for clear evidence to be produced, saying that in a democratic society, people should be accepted as innocent until proved guilty and asked “Where are these IRA men, what are their names?” He finished by noting that the apparent clash in the IIDC and the IMC over the accusation that some weapons still remained in the hands of the IRA, and said he refused to accept that the allegations had come from anywhere but Special Branch. Finally he called on the media not to be lazy, and take what he called the “winks, nods and innuendo” of this morning’s report.
Mick Fealty @ 01:46 PM
Findings of flint stone have been reported from Derry.
Posted by on Feb 01, 2006 @ 07:56 PMnot sure if this is the right thread, but why aren’t the Official IRA mentioned by the IMC?
If memory served there was a shooting in (east?) Belfast attributed to them a few months ago. I can’t remember all the details but it was mentioned by Pat McL and a couple of others at the time.
As well as that I thought they were believed to be involved in extortion, counterfeiting etc.As the IMC report mentions stuff as relatively mundane (unless you’re the victim) as assault I thought the above would get a mention…
Posted by on Feb 01, 2006 @ 09:18 PMRemoved.
Posted by on Feb 01, 2006 @ 09:37 PMMartin is fooling nobody but his party hacks with his mock anger.
Come on SF, give up the crime and let serious grown up politics begin,
Posted by on Feb 01, 2006 @ 10:48 PMHi all,
Seano, ahhh just let MI6 (martin ingram) ramble…there is nothing he would probably like more than ending up like Eamon Collins…but why give him the publicity or the notarity.
I would like to bring the discusion back to martin mcguiness…not martin ingram…
didn’t anyone think it odd that martin mcguiness wants and even tried to bait the brits into naming people as IRA….doesn’t that break some sort of IRA code?
Let see, the brits outed the informer donaldson (spit spit spit) and now martin mcguiness wants the brits to out IRA members…yep intereting indeed. I’m sure in the IRA green book there is a rule against that.Posted by on Feb 02, 2006 @ 02:16 AMWe know who the members of the Independent Monitoring
Commission are. But we still do NOT know who P O Neill is.
The Provisional IRA uses language the same way that the
President of Iran does. It means what they want it to mean,
and they then depend on useful idiots within its sphere of
attraction and influence to bang the bongo drums of support.I notice that yesterday, it was quick to point out that it has been
faithful to what it promised last year when it “put arms beyond
use”. The trouble, as always, is that it asks others (like you
and me) to also put our critical faculties “beyond us”.Otherwise, we will be accused by people like Sean McManus
(on Capitol Hill) or Martin McGuinness (who left the Provos in
the 70s!) of being unhelpful to the peace process.Posted by on Feb 02, 2006 @ 03:08 AMSeano,
“Martin Ingram’s arrogance could land him in the world of Eamon Collins. No?” “Smile”
Grow up, Eamon Collins was a brave principled man who was murdererd by IRA criminals some of whom are agents of the state?
stop playing the man and deal with the issues. I have never met Jim Cusack but he wrote that piece because it is factual. The truth seems to disturb many Republicans, Loyalist , HMG I wonder why?Kathy C
Quote"didn’t anyone think it odd that martin mcguiness wants and even tried to bait the brits into naming people as IRA….doesn’t that break some sort of IRA code?
Let see, the brits outed the informer donaldson (spit spit spit) and now martin mcguiness wants the brits to out IRA members…yep intereting indeed. I’m sure in the IRA green book there is a rule against that.“UnquoteI know you are American and are many miles away but your Naievity in these matters is astounding.
Martin McGuinness broke all the rules years ago by having secret meetings with the Brits, these meetings were not AUTHORISED BY THE PIRA LEADERSHIP. Cleverly this ground was covered by the late eighties with the Brooke letters. Well they thought it was clever?
As for the green book. The IRA`s s own internal document governing the rules of the movement. Clearly since the IRA decommissioned OUTSIDE THE TERMS OF THE GREEN BOOK at the request of McGuinness and Adams the Green book is no longer in use.
P.S.Eamon Collins book Killing Rage is a good read, his family receive the royalties to this book so go out and buy one to support his familiy.
Posted by on Feb 02, 2006 @ 07:31 AMPoor Martin McG’. Sinn Fein have always been honest, truthful and respectable having no part in anything other than good old fashioned patriotic behavious. Their anger at IMC reports is understandable, since they have no other way of excusing ongoing armament, criminality and punishment beatings.
Honestly though lets hope Sinn Fein+their close but not related military wing the IRA (murdered approx 1800 people,buts hey, whats a silly statistic) continue in their patriotic work to free our Republic….
Posted by on Feb 02, 2006 @ 07:34 AMIf Sinn Fein are to be believed these “Securocrats” and “spooks” are indeed terrible people and I have to agree with them because they wouldnt tell lies.
However could someone please inform an uninformed Dundalk man (who incidentally has seen the immense wealth of local IRA men grow unexplainably in recent times) what these securocrats/spooks people have to gain by “destroying” the peace process?
Do they do for richess, fame, sex (three big motivators which Denis Donaldson seemed to reat to) a better society for their children, a place in government….Posted by on Feb 02, 2006 @ 07:44 AMPS. When I say putting our critical faculties BEYOND USE,
I mean it metaphorically, of course. Unlike the Provisional IRA,
whose campaign of murder extended to all whose lives were
seen as a challenge to the Sinn Fein-IRA managementof the
Republican narrative.So who,if anybody, is NOW in charge of the Provisional IRA?
And why is our Government and our President asking us to put
the Proto Provos of 1916 (as Kevin Myers calls them) back at
the heart of our lives and allegiances——as Sinn Fein is also
asking us to do?Posted by on Feb 02, 2006 @ 08:00 AMHi all,
Martin Ingram (MI6), of course mcguiness isn’t following the rules of the green book…but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t apply…it just means it isn’t being followed….doesn’t mean new leadership can’t come in and follow it….
as for eamon collins…never really liked what I read about the guy…. I found it appalling that it was reported he had his wife go out to repaint the fence all the time when different sayings about his being an informer were painted on the thing. To me, if he wanted to be an informer for the brits…and then opted to live in a republican town…then when there was stuff painted on his fence…he should have been man enough to go paint it himself instead of sending out his woman….nah….never liked him. I wouldn’t buy his book to support his family…just like I wouldn’t eat at martin mcguiness’s wife’s resturaunt to support his family…
Posted by on Feb 02, 2006 @ 06:06 PMKathy_C
Not to get of subject here, but I tend to agree with your thoughts on Collins. M.I. goes on about how brave and principled he was, but fails to understand what he actually became. He knew well the potential consequences of becoming an informer/tout, yet in his so-called “brave and principled” state, he decided to toss every one of his comrades under the bus and expected his amnesty to hold, regardless of his arrogance in breaking it.
It was stated in his book by IRA volunteer John Joe, during his last meeting with Collins: “Maybe you think we’re the boy scouts?”
And that “You’re an embarrassment we can’t afford to have.”I’d say Collins found out the truth in that.
Posted by on Feb 02, 2006 @ 07:56 PMLet see, the brits outed the informer donaldson (spit spit spit) and now martin mcguiness wants the brits to out IRA members…yep intereting indeed. I’m sure in the IRA green book there is a rule against that.
What do you think this is? Paint-balling? Any Republican activity will be met with an immediate and terrible response by re-armed and radicalised loyalists. And well the provos know it. Or to put it in a way you might understand Kathy, have you ever seen the “movie” Braveheart? Green book indeed, IRA men haven’t the brains to read, what would they need a green book for?
Posted by on Feb 02, 2006 @ 10:10 PMKathy_C : isn’t following the rules of the green book…but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t apply…it just means it isn’t being followed….doesn’t mean new leadership can’t come in and follow it….
You are talking about the green book as though it was carved in stone. It can be re-written, can’t it? Then who is allowed to change it - the Irish Government perhaps? Gerry Adams? You? What is its status, and where does it get its authority?
Posted by on Feb 03, 2006 @ 08:01 AMSaeano
Quote"It was stated in his book by IRA volunteer John Joe, “Unquote
Oh Yes my mate John Joe ex Royal Marine and lets say ” Friend”
As for Collins. He made one statement and then withdrew that statement. He was never an informer unlike those Boy scouts in the Security Department who like some of his killers were Agents of the British state. People like Seano do not know what or who they are talking about, that is what is sad here.
Your Friend Marty.Posted by on Feb 03, 2006 @ 08:55 AMMartin Ingram
“As for Collins. He made one statement and then withdrew that statement.”
You make it sound like he just said a few words and then withdrew them, when in reality, that one so-called statement contained a hell of a lot of information on his comrades.
“People like Seano do not know what or who they are talking about.”
Tis true, Martin. I don’t realy know a whole lot about Collins, except what I’ve read about him in his book. And supposedly in his own words.
Posted by on Feb 03, 2006 @ 11:03 AMHi all,
Loyalist, yes I have seen the movie BRAVEHEART but I don’t understand what you’re trying to say about it in regards to the green book? But your comment about the IRA not having the brains to read was cute…. As a loyalist..you are loyal to the queens gov’t…and the queen’s gov’t is a nuclear power on the UN Security Council. Big stuff indeed…yet it was the IRA that fought this UN Security Council nuclear power to a stalemate…and it was the IRA that had your PM’s living in fear…and it was the IRA that had the british army unable to walk the queens highway in parts of Armagh….their actions…prove they can read ;o).
Reader, I would think the authority of the green book is based on the men and women who had to take oaths on that book and who vowed to follow the said terms of the book. Now, I’m sure they can do what ever they want including change the book or even get rid of it….but I would think if people vowed to do certain things…and then some get away with violating the terms while others keep those terms…well, they have a problem.
Posted by on Feb 03, 2006 @ 06:08 PMLet’s see. The Provisional IRA has “put arms beyond use”.
That’s good of them. And apart from the odd murder, has
dependended on a bunch of usel idiots to put a good gloss on
their actions, intentions and the magnitude of their seismic
shifts. But the fact remains that even if they were to become
paragons of virtue overnight (and there’s little danger of that)
they would still be only entitled to a level playing field (south of
the border, certainly). And NOT a guaranteed place in the
Government or governance of this country. Sorry about that,
Ger! Take YOUR place in line.Posted by on Feb 04, 2006 @ 07:25 AM
