Wednesday, May 16, 2007

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1. Mick,

   I don’t think many papers can get good coverage due to print runs, the Dindo goes very early due to it’s SW print plant.

   I doubt the Greens or Labour want what was a pretty good debate reduxed to a PD/SF spat.

   IMO, the main thing for those that watched is three parties found the PDs more repellent than anyone else and for a party polling on the limit of margins of error (0%) they could end up the ultimate transfer abhorrent element on the back of this.

   Posted by  on May 16, 2007 @ 11:05 PM

2. This is more of the same old guff from McDowell.  If he had any proof of this or any of the other charges he makes against SF, the Gardai should arrest Adams and he should have an opportunity for his day in court.  It’s entirely unproveable, most likely because it’s not true. 

   That’s not to say that McDowell’s fellow travellers in the media won’t run with it tomorrow.  Like they ran with the 45 minutes claim made by Blair over Saddam’s weapons of mass deception....

   Posted by Oilibhear Chromaill on May 16, 2007 @ 11:06 PM

3. Gerry Adams wants to turn Ireland into France - a country with a stagnating economy so much so that FDI is running past it laughing with France begging property investors to come to rejuvenate dilapidated houses because the money isn’t there among local people or Government.

   Note to Gerry - France tried this economy working for the people stance; but, that’s why France now has a Tory President to kick-start the economy back into life after years of people-socialism in the economy that has crippled it, particularly in respect of working arrangements and attitude to work.

   Posted by Democratic-Centre on May 16, 2007 @ 11:19 PM

4. DC,

   How long are the housing waiting lists in the south?  If you think developer quotas for social and affordable housing are going down badly, well you must be a northern stoop. These policies are as welcome in the south as the north.

   You may want to protect the speculator over the first time buyer - only those that screw people for a living sell that argument anywhere in Ireland.

   Posted by  on May 16, 2007 @ 11:39 PM

5. “You may want to protect the speculator over the first time buyer - only those that screw people for a living sell that argument anywhere in Ireland.”

   Sssshhh Soupy don’t spin out at me like that, speculators using private business money to own homes to profiteer instead of buying shares and funds needs to be seriously looked among the business community as to their social conscience - landlordism needs to be fundamentally looked at. 

   Open up green belts in line with a new strategy for sustainable public / buy-out co-ownership partnership housing would help to ensure supply is increased, plus intensification of brown-field developments coupled with the intent to introduce timelimits over landbanking, in order to limit this practice among private sector of hoarding land and reducing supply.

   Prioritise inner-city development plans and the movement of people into the city, where the money is at, to ensure public money is spent centrally and concentrated around the people, people who need to access this economy.  Investment in public transport within these areas is essential and I thought the Greens made sense.

   Gerry in regards to the South, wants to spread the money everywhere in a socialist fashion using drastic circumstances to highlight the need for doing so, such as rural Ireland and the dire consequences of bad accidents out in field, which only a super-human magic wand Government strategy - joined up by great Sinn Fein thinking of course - could possibly propel those who need such immediate care into hospital on time.

   Of course it can be done, but get your cheque book out for it.

   Posted by D-C on May 17, 2007 @ 12:15 AM

6. Will help attract some of the the anti-SF FG voters and/or transfers from that quarter.

   Posted by  on May 17, 2007 @ 01:05 AM

7. “This is more of the same old guff from McDowell. If he had any proof of this or any of the other charges he makes against SF, the Gardai should arrest Adams and he should have an opportunity for his day in court.” - Oilibhear Chromaill

   Do you mean like the “same old guff” from McDowell about PSF being the organised crime gang behind the Northern Bank robbery (netting these criminal godfathers a cool 25 million in Sterling, not to finance their sectarian murder campaign - for the robbery occurred after they ended it - but to ensure they’d not want for nothing in their ‘retirement’) or the “same old guff” from McDowell about Gerry Adams being a member of the self-style ‘Army Council’ of the murder gang known as PIRA? The Minister for Justice has access to Intelligence on these matters.

   It’s true that there is no hard evidence to prove that Adams was a member of the IRA (despite being the mastermind behind the appalling strategy of “The Disappeared” a full two years before Augusto Pinochet borrowed his idea), but Mr Adams has the advantage of being in a position to organise the murder of those who might otherwise provide the evidence. That’s an unfair advantage over the forces of law and order, eh? ;)

   The leaders of PSF are among the richest individuals in the state. They are, in fact, the wealthiest criminal gangsters in the history of the state, having more investments to monitor that Dermot Desmond. They are also the biggest tax-dodgers in the state. It was cute that the head of the criminal cartel, Gerry Adams, was proffering his working class credentials on RTE by claiming that he draws an “average industrial wage� – cute because McDowell quickly pointed out that he owns homes in Donegal and Belfast. Still, at least Mr McDowell was kind enough not to point out that Adams spends more than the “average industrial wage� on his suits, eh? God forbid the dupes who support those gangsters should catch their leader and his bullshit on.

   Posted by  on May 17, 2007 @ 04:33 AM

8. Does Sinn Fein pay tax on these ventures?

   Posted by  on May 17, 2007 @ 04:44 AM

9. Oh dear Dubliner - that post of yours has the distinct smell of panic about it.
   Jumping on the unsubstantiated McDowell magic band wagon and hurling conjecture and hearsay out the windows like sweeties really does nothing for the credibility of the points you try to make.
   Now if making completely unsubstantiated claims without a grain of evidence does not constitute “old guff” to you I’d be interested to hear what does.
   If, as you say, “The Minister for Justice has access to Intelligence on these matters” then surely given his track record and the current elcetion campaign he wouldn’t be a bit behind the door producing it. But then again as you also admit “It’s true that there is no hard evidence”.
   From that point onwards the substance of your post took a nose-dive.

   Posted by  on May 17, 2007 @ 07:22 AM

10. what did adams say when mcdowell pointed out the donegal houses thing?

    Posted by  on May 17, 2007 @ 08:15 AM

11. andy

    He reddened a bit and tried to laugh it off by saying something about mortgages and “...the bank owns them”.
    Of course McD was in like a shot with, “Which bank, that would be the Northern Bank, would it?”

    Posted by  on May 17, 2007 @ 08:27 AM

12. Adams took a total pasting over his uncosted economic policy last night. It’s probably not relevant, as the voters SF is targeting down south were probably watching stolen porn DVDs at the time and are innumerate in any case.
    Still McDowell came close to the hitting motherlode of provoking a full-on Adams “Don’t you know who I am?” hissy-fit. Gerry is so pompous and so used to being surrounded by arse-kissing yes-men that he *will* eventually go off on one on-camera now he’s exposed to the rough-and-tumble of real political debate with people he can’t just have killed.

    Posted by  on May 17, 2007 @ 08:34 AM

13. You must have been hearing double Penguin.

    Posted by  on May 17, 2007 @ 08:35 AM

14. Il Penguino
    Thanks. I thought he would have mentioned being an author etc.
    That or else simply focus on a small space on the wall and say nothing etc
    SRR- I did smile at your characterisation of SF voters. It is a bit naughty though

    adios

    Posted by  on May 17, 2007 @ 08:39 AM

15. McDowell wasn’t pointing out anything that anybody didn’t know regarding Adams’ holiday home in the Donegal Algarve.  However it’s a bit rich of him, given that moments earlier he was defending the owners of second homes from having ‘commercial rates’ inflicted upon them by the Greens! 

    Dubliner and McDowell share one thing in common, a tendency to ignore the golden thread of law: innocent until PROVEN guilty. 
    My point was that if McDowell felt confident enough to throw such accusations about a TV studio during a live broadcast, surely he knows that the Gardai have enough evidence to move on it against Adams and have him arrested.  That raises the queston of him prejudicing a court case - as his party colleague did in the case of Charlie Haughey - and allowing the ‘suspect’ to get off scot free.  Or it raises the misuse of Garda information - leaking to the press information which if a Garda did it, he would be arrested and charged under the Garda Act of a few years back.  Or it’s simply lying and in that case Adams should sue because the charges were against him, personally. 

    Then again there’s the reckless playing of the peace process for personal gain by McDowell which is precisely why Adams is regarded as a world statesman on the scale of Mandela while McDowell is a piddling parish pump politician of little consequence, a man who never grew out of student debating societies.

    Posted by  on May 17, 2007 @ 08:40 AM

16. “a world statesman on the scale of Mandela”

    This is what I mean about being surrounded by arse-kissers and yes-men (Chromaill works for SF’s outsourced PFI propoganda operation).

    “McDowell is a piddling parish pump politician of little consequence”

    - precisely, yet he still trounced Adams in a live studio debate because Adams hasn’t faced any serious criticism in person since he silenced all argument around him by ‘disappearing’ an innocent mother of 10.

    Posted by  on May 17, 2007 @ 08:47 AM

17. Envy is a terrible vice SRR and you need to get over it.  As far as Adams is concerned, he is the only politician here that has spent serious time with Mandela and the ANC regularly send representatives to the SF Ard Fheis.  When was the last time you saw the ANC at a PD conference?

    As for ‘trouncing’ Adams, not likely.  There was no way that was the result of last night’s debate.  Adams came off as having a view of the bigger picture.

    Posted by  on May 17, 2007 @ 09:05 AM

18. *dear christ*

    Posted by  on May 17, 2007 @ 09:14 AM

19. Michael McDowell looked increasingly desperate last night. He continued with his very personal attacks on the respective leaders of The Greens, Labour and SF and he suffered a very big hit when Trevor Sergeant quoted 2 specific examples of blatant PD lies in respect of Green Party Policy.

    McDowell looked totally on the ropes at that point and perhaps we are finally going to witness the demise of this insular, nasty and untalented politician who displays the very worst face of Irish politics.

    I thought that Adams, Rabitte and Sergeant all scored points on respective various issues and there was little between them in terms of the overall debate.

    Posted by macswiney on May 17, 2007 @ 09:32 AM

20. Of course you ‘think’ that. You’re a total Shinner drone. Your opinion on the debate has exactly as much meaning as the probability of any political debate changing your opinion - i.e. zero.

    Posted by  on May 17, 2007 @ 09:49 AM

21. “Of course you ‘think’ that. You’re a total Shinner drone. Your opinion on the debate has exactly as much meaning as the probability of any political debate changing your opinion - i.e. zero.”

    Whereas you, of course, hadn’t your mind made up the other way regarding Adams before you started. Hell, no.

    Posted by  on May 17, 2007 @ 09:51 AM

22. So you agree then?

    Posted by  on May 17, 2007 @ 09:52 AM

23. SRR,

    Bearing in mind that I just said that Trevor Sergeant and Pat Rabitte BOTH performed equally as well as Adams, that kind of negates your somewhat…

    In fact YOU are the person here who is unwilling to be open to having his opinions changed due to your well-documented hatred of SF which has been apparent on this site for a long time… Pre-conceived opinions are not something that you are alien to, SRR…

    Roll on next Thursday...!

    Posted by macswiney on May 17, 2007 @ 09:59 AM

24. Currently not sure what to make of SF. Any proof of the Dubliners claim that Adams was personally behind the disappeared?

    Posted by  on May 17, 2007 @ 10:01 AM

25. None Truth seeker.

    SRR “It’s probably not relevant, as the voters SF is targeting down south were probably watching stolen porn DVDs at the time and are innumerate in any case.”
    Andy “SRR- I did smile at your characterisation of SF voters. It is a bit naughty though”

    Naughty? Not really. Condescending, arrogant and ignorant would be closer to the truth. But well, pigs and grunts is all thatan be expected sometimes.
    I suppose SRR will mark me down as an Adams yes man too saying as I dare challenge his wit and wisdom. Would be a pity though SRR - sometimes its good to open a closed mind you know.

    Posted by  on May 17, 2007 @ 10:18 AM
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