Monday, July 14, 2008
Less Orangefest more Hatefest as Lisburn UUP Mayor fans flames of hate in Stoneyford
No doubt aware of the ongoing campaign of sectarian violence and intimidation in the County Antrim village of Stoneyford- and conscious also of those linked with the attacks, Lisburn’s UUP Mayor, Ronnie Crawford, decided to accept an invite by a local loyalist organisation, Stoneyford Jubilee Committee (Chairperson Mark Harbinson) to ignite the local beacon which had a poster of Sinn Fein MLA Paul Butler atop it to the approving roar of the 300 or so loyalists in attendance.
After Stoneyford loyalist, Mark Harbinson, had rejected money offered by unionist-dominated Lisburn Borough Council on the grounds that it wasn’t enough (in spite of the fact that his organisation should not have even been offered the money according, firstly, to a recommendation by Council officers and, secondly, due to the fact that they hadn’t even appealed their funding rejection when the money was offered) in steps the Mayor to find an alternative ‘funder’ for the Stoneyford beacon, earning the praise of the recently quite active loyalist fraternity in the troubled village.
Mr. Crawford’s weak response when asked why he agreed to light the beacon was “there were 300 people standing there...I wasn’t going to take that thing down.” The story is carried in today’s Andersonstown News (not yet online.)
Chris Donnelly @ 04:11 PM
This “debate” makes you dispair doesnt it .........
Stand back and look at yourselves
Posted by on Jul 15, 2008 @ 07:41 AMWhat Republicans want is to take over Stoneyford the same way they have polluted the village of Crumlin. Isn’t there enough room in Ballymurphy and other Republican ghettos to hold all the dross?
Posted by on Jul 15, 2008 @ 07:53 AMWhat Republicans want is to take over Stoneyford the same way they have polluted the village of Crumlin. Isn’t there enough room in Ballymurphy and other Republican ghettos to hold all the dross?
Posted by Seamus on Jul 15, 2008 @ 08:53 AMAnd now we see the bnp raise their ugly heid.
Pure sectarian hatred inbred no doubt.
Hardly surprising that your hate fest is seen for exactly what it is when we have cretins like yourselves about lol.
Posted by on Jul 15, 2008 @ 09:14 AMI think Ronnie Crawfords action at Stoneyford should be congratulated.
I never knew Ulster Scoots came from Serbia. Slobodan would have been proud.
Posted by on Jul 15, 2008 @ 09:22 AMThanks TAFKABO for the post.
Posted by on Jul 15, 2008 @ 09:35 AMI congratuate Mr Crawford for doing this. Burning an image of an unrepentant murderer should be welcomed.
If Butler ever repents then things might change but until then he will always be hated by the vast majority in Lisburn. And no not because he is a catholic as some people try to claim. but because he cowardly shot a policeman in the back killing him. and he wears this murder as a badge of honour.
burn posters of him and his unrepentant murdering friends in SF/IRA everyday I say!
Posted by on Jul 15, 2008 @ 09:54 AMAnd out come the bigots from under their stones.Hey TU i`ll take a wild guess and say you must be part of that wee TUV community lol.Are you feeling a tad marginalzed these days lol.
Posted by on Jul 15, 2008 @ 10:11 AMWhy should nationalists be surprised at this? Throughout the troubles, loyalist paramilitaries slaughtered innocent catholic men women and children and were rarely condemned by unionist politicians. I’m sure Crawford’s actions meet the approval of most unionists.
Posted by on Jul 15, 2008 @ 10:18 AMPOL
you calling me a bigot is a good thing in my eyes. let me explain why. you are clearly calling me bigotted against unrepentant murderers. As I explained clearly to you why I supporter Mr Crawford doing this. what is wrong with being bigoted against unrepentant murderers?
Posted by on Jul 15, 2008 @ 10:28 AMSo to be a Catholic living in Stoneyford is to be an unrepentant murderer!? Puzzle that one out.
The whole thing about Butler is a side-issue and a distraction. Harbinson and his allies want to keep the focus on Butler to distract from the activities of the Klan.
Like I said, sweet home Alabama.
Posted by on Jul 15, 2008 @ 10:44 AMpicador
you are delibrately avoiding the issue and trying to make this about catholics, when it is not, it is about Butler.
people are complaining about Mr Crawford lighting this thing because their was a poster of Paul Butler on it. Saying it is “unacceptable” etc.
why is it unacceptable to burn something with a poster of Paul Butler on it?
the ordinary catholic in stoneyford has nothing to do with this. it is between Crawford and the unrepentant murderer Butler
Posted by on Jul 15, 2008 @ 01:22 PMRBK, I mean OoolserScat,
Yer a bit of a wee dafty, but dinny hould back! They’ll release ‘Irish history for dummies’ some day soon so hang in there.
Posted by on Jul 15, 2008 @ 01:54 PMPOL
you calling me a bigot is a good thing in my eyes. let me explain why. you are clearly calling me bigotted against unrepentant murderers. As I explained clearly to you why I supporter Mr Crawford doing this. what is wrong with being bigoted against unrepentant murderers?
Really simple to answer that one.
Yet again we see the usual loyalist posters hitting out at the shinners whilst they say nothing when their hate fest allows convicted murderers to parade carrying the usual banners commemerating loyalists who were guilty of murder.Thats why you and you`re ilk are bigots. Have`nt come across too many repentant loyalists lately, especially the loyalist scum of stoneyford who`s idea of loyalism is attacking families in their bed or children on the streets.....The PEEP O DAY BOYS of stoneyford have alot to be proud of...sick bigotted losers.
Posted by on Jul 15, 2008 @ 02:22 PMI think Irish History for Dummies is already out.
Posted by on Jul 15, 2008 @ 05:45 PMSF has accepted nonviolence to achieve their political goals.
Mvoe on.
Posted by on Jul 15, 2008 @ 06:05 PMDalraidan Scots(Ulster Scots)
Gaelic speakers. Fact.
Posted by on Jul 15, 2008 @ 08:14 PMI thought Harbinson was a member of the TUV?
Posted by on Jul 15, 2008 @ 08:38 PMIn a parallel world, Crawford and Butler are two of the leading advocates of the stadium-and-memorial-white-elephant-combo at the Maze site, as a flagship of our shared future.
You couldn’t make it up.
Posted by on Jul 15, 2008 @ 09:12 PM“Dalraidan Scots(Ulster Scots)
Gaelic speakers. Fact.” - Happy Holiday
Then why do Unionists ignore, or despise rather, the Gaelic language?
“Unlike TAFKABO I think Ronnie Crawfords action at Stoneyford should be congratulated.The incineration of a poster of Butler the Unrepentant Murderer should be compared to jews burning a picture of a SS officer -ie totally understandable.Had it been any other SDLP or nationalist politician with no criminal record - that would have been totally wrong.” - Ulster Scot
“I congratuate Mr Crawford for doing this. Burning an image of an unrepentant murderer should be welcomed.” - Traditional Unionist
So folks, ye don’t think that this action might be a little negative? What if everyone were to do the same. Every year on the 11th, the old Tri-Colour emblazoned with the initials K.A.T. goes up in smoke with every bonfire. As well as that, Lundy’s effigy seems to have been replaced with someone from the Nationalist community, no matter who. Remember the Catholic youth who was murdered in a sectarian attack a few years ago and the message that read atop of the bonfire?
We can all take the same approach as Mr Crawford, but in hindsight it is not very productive whether such an acrimonious gesture is aimed at an innocent youth or a former IRA killer.
I think some deep relective thought is required by Unionists and Republicans alike!
Posted by on Jul 15, 2008 @ 10:18 PMG. O’F.: “I think some deep relective thought is required by Unionists and Republicans alike!”
Hear, hear!
“Then why do Unionists ignore, or despise rather, the Gaelic language?”
Should read “NI Unionists”. They are afraid.
A friend of mine is from the Lewis, and her parents native Gàidhlig speakers. I had a text from the Celtic League that I hoped they would read aloud as I recorded them.
Alas, it was way too technical and academic for them. But they did read from their Gaelic Bible.
These folks were more Presbyterian and Unionist than Ian Paisley, Sr.
BTW your name, O’Frainclin, is it Gaelicised “Franklin” (or more literally “Franklinson"), from “Frank Lien” (Free Hold)?
Posted by on Jul 15, 2008 @ 11:22 PMTafkabo, a thoughtful post - i’ve just bought you a virtual pint ou un vin rouge, si tu prefere.
Posted by on Jul 15, 2008 @ 11:22 PM‘In a parallel world, Crawford and Butler are two of the leading advocates of the stadium-and-memorial-white-elephant-combo at the Maze site, as a flagship of our shared future’
Yeah Gavin, almost as bizarre as having the Irish Football Asociation trying to be all ‘we love everyone, even taigs’, while the IFA president marches on the 12th of July with his orange collerette.
If The rules of the Orange Order forbid members from becoming Catholics, marrying Catholics, or of attending Catholic Church services under the pain of being expelled, How does Raymond Kennedy marry these beliefs with being the president of an association that claims to be non sectarian & inclusive??
Posted by on Jul 15, 2008 @ 11:54 PMthe ordinary catholic in stoneyford has nothing to do with this. it is between Crawford and the unrepentant murderer Butler
Posted by Traditional_Unionist on Jul 15, 2008 @ 02:22 PMSo why burn them out and assault their children on the streets.Fool yourself TU if you wish, but the crux of this, Is everything about religion.Butler is a public representative so puts himself on the firing line the innocent catholic families of stoneyford are just easy targets. The lack of law and order on the part of Harbinson and his scumbag cronies matches the wilful neglect within the police who protect the scum rather than their victims.Dont belive me use the links below.
http://www.nuzhound.com/articles/irish_news/arts2007/dec15_attack_on_boy_linked_Loyalist_threats.php
http://www.publicpolitics.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=97224
http://www.voy.com/70381/3032.html
Posted by on Jul 16, 2008 @ 09:35 AMCheers Occasional Commentator!
Yep, my surname is Gaelicised here on Sluggar. ‘Franklin’, perhaps originally French - Francquelin, which arrived in England during the late Middle Ages, (ie Anglo-Norman) became Anglicised to Franklin, meaning freeholder or freeman.
Posted by on Jul 16, 2008 @ 11:56 AMAnyone know of any other UUP links to loyalist paramilitaries that are in the public domain?
Posted by on Jul 16, 2008 @ 04:04 PM
