Monday, July 14, 2008
Less Orangefest more Hatefest as Lisburn UUP Mayor fans flames of hate in Stoneyford
No doubt aware of the ongoing campaign of sectarian violence and intimidation in the County Antrim village of Stoneyford- and conscious also of those linked with the attacks, Lisburn’s UUP Mayor, Ronnie Crawford, decided to accept an invite by a local loyalist organisation, Stoneyford Jubilee Committee (Chairperson Mark Harbinson) to ignite the local beacon which had a poster of Sinn Fein MLA Paul Butler atop it to the approving roar of the 300 or so loyalists in attendance.
After Stoneyford loyalist, Mark Harbinson, had rejected money offered by unionist-dominated Lisburn Borough Council on the grounds that it wasn’t enough (in spite of the fact that his organisation should not have even been offered the money according, firstly, to a recommendation by Council officers and, secondly, due to the fact that they hadn’t even appealed their funding rejection when the money was offered) in steps the Mayor to find an alternative ‘funder’ for the Stoneyford beacon, earning the praise of the recently quite active loyalist fraternity in the troubled village.
Mr. Crawford’s weak response when asked why he agreed to light the beacon was “there were 300 people standing there...I wasn’t going to take that thing down.” The story is carried in today’s Andersonstown News (not yet online.)
Chris Donnelly @ 04:11 PM
Ronnie Crawford is a hate filled cunt. Paul Butler is a hate filled cunt. Next.
Posted by on Jul 14, 2008 @ 07:35 PMthe hatred in the DNA fabric of that electorate
What a disgusting thing to say. Would you say the same thing about the people who voted for a certain ex-Party leader who incited many deluded fools to carry out their acts of terrorism?
Posted by on Jul 14, 2008 @ 07:37 PMpicador
Your deliberate Failure to condemn a murderer who now masks as a human rights/equality advocate says everything about the hatred and sectarian bigotry that lies within you.
A little “non revisionist” Fable - I remember a fella in the early 1970’s in Glengormley(a mixed and relatively non polarised area at the time ) visciously attacking local protestants (I was one of those kids),intimidating residents,beating up teenagers outside a junior orange meeting - just can’t for the life of me remember his name!!!Although I beleive that his colleagues did eventually complete the ethnic cleansing mission in a large part of Glengormley.I assume that some equally bad people are “returning the service” in Stoneyford - which I condemn
Posted by on Jul 14, 2008 @ 07:42 PMThe more I see and read of Unionism/Loyalism the more clarity I get with the old nature nurture debate.
We really have to break the cycle here somewhere. Got to!
Posted by on Jul 14, 2008 @ 07:48 PM#
The more I see and read of Unionism/Loyalism the more clarity I get with the old nature nurture debate.
We really have to break the cycle here somewhere. Got to!
Posted by Prionsa Eoghan on Jul 14, 2008 @ 08:48 PM-----
In other words, whitewash the actions of murderous cathiolics over the last 40 years and put all the troubles down to the prods.Posted by on Jul 14, 2008 @ 08:31 PMYour deliberate Failure to condemn a murderer who now masks as a human rights/equality advocate says everything about the hatred and sectarian bigotry that lies within you.
Sorry, but was I not the one who took the trouble to figure out who was this victim that you were on about and also make the point that someone was grieving for him? Enough said. I am not going to play your little games you hate-filled creature. Stop exploiting the dead for your own poisonous agenda.
And as for Butler - he did his time. So give over.
Posted by on Jul 14, 2008 @ 08:32 PMWell this cycle ever end??
Posted by on Jul 14, 2008 @ 08:40 PM“Ronnie Crawford is a hate filled cunt. Paul Butler is a hate filled cunt. Next.”
Good stuff Dowie, at last a voice of reason.
;-)Posted by on Jul 14, 2008 @ 08:41 PMEarnan,
Not in our lifetimes.
Posted by on Jul 14, 2008 @ 08:41 PMObservor
Look I know that you are quite one dimensional, but let’s get serious here. Nationalists have not been posted missing when it comes to owning up to their part in the troubles. How much and to what extent is debatable, but they have came forward. What we see time and again are often petty displays of bare hatred from Unionists, the outworking usually mean Catholics suffer in some way, sometimes resulting in deaths.
What is clear is that in a sub normal society, what can appall a normal society may be taken as the norm. It is not normal to have something like the 12th marches on TV and talked about on a level that ignores the elephant. It is not normal to be all consuming in concentrating on your neighbours, and communal outpourings of primeval lusting for blood. I know I am not putting this well at all, but I would appeal to you to take a step back and just think about what is normal in your community.
Posted by on Jul 14, 2008 @ 08:53 PMOOOlster-scot claiming a replantation.....any old tale will do.
Posted by on Jul 14, 2008 @ 08:53 PMIts all about control and making the other side invisible!!!!!!! - my experience of irish nationalism in action rather than the usual blarney of of an an island respecting all its children of the nation etc etc is that territorial control at demographics 60% plus will see initial opposition to any manifestation that all residents in the area are anything less than full blooded “gaels” wonderfully happy in their condition.At 80% Gaels begin the suppression of any visible presence of difference ie no orange parades,cultural apartied.At 100% you have the reality of the Republic of reland were even hotels with +75% UK citizen occupancy will fly every flag in the world except the union jack.Thats the secret reality of an Ireland of equals - keep your head head down orangey,stay quiet(be invisible),and lets all convince ourselves we are equals.
Posted by on Jul 14, 2008 @ 09:11 PMJeez I seriously over done the word normal @ 09:53 PM. Sometimes when I am emotively trying to get over what I see as obvious it has a tendency to come out as utter pish. I guess all I am trying to say is that these things are learned, and in my view Unionists need to re-evaluate what they are teaching their children.
Posted by on Jul 14, 2008 @ 09:12 PMObserver
“Of course there isnt equality- terrorist parties like SF cant be equated with ordinary law abiding citizens”
Do you feel the same way about the Orange Order which, by it’s own admission, has past + present members of “loyalist” terrorist organisations in it’s ranks?
It also has no ban on people with convictions for being “loyalist” terrorists joining nor does it expel any such terrorists who are already members.
It takes no action against the many OO lodges that annually carry banners and/or use bans that commemorate “loyalist” terrorists.
Any comment on the on-going campaign of terrorism against Catholics in Stoneyford and the activities of Harbinson (a convicted criminal himself)?
Going by previous experience, the answer to all the above will be no.
You, like “PeaceandJustice” and a few others on this site have plenty to say about Republican violence but nothing to say about “loyalist” violence.
The vast majority of people who visit this site have 1 thing in common - we all condemn ANY and ALL violence.
I really wish people like you and “PeaceandJustice” etc would set up your own blog - “loyalist” terrorism deniers .com” perhaps.
Your one-sided condemnation doesn’t fool the vast majority of decent people here. One either condemns ALL terrorism or not.
It’s pretty clear that you, like PeaceandJustice, don’t quite see “loyalist” terrorism as being as bad as Republican terrorism.
I’m afraid I’m a bit old fashioned - I am equally outraged at any terrorist activity and feel equally for all innocent victims regardless of their religion.
When, and if, you are prepared to honestly condemn “loyalist” terrorism with the same voracity as you do Republican terrorism, you let me know - although I won’t hold my breath.
Until then I, and I suspect the najority of decent folk who visit this site, will continue to see you as a hypocrite on “loyalist” terrorism whose posts provide comedy value but nothing else.
Posted by on Jul 14, 2008 @ 09:17 PMPE
I see your point about all this being very ‘abnormal’ - two months of extremist groups shutting down towns! Living outside the north for a while really does make that pretty obvious.I think a lot of unionists don’t want the north to be ‘normal’ for various reasons. The prime reason being that the more normal things get, the more the north becomes ‘just another corner of Ireland’…
Posted by on Jul 14, 2008 @ 09:43 PMIf the actions of the first citizen were against legal advice of officals is the mayor getting the bill for the clean up?
Posted by on Jul 14, 2008 @ 09:54 PMWhat’s going on in Stoneyford goes to the crux of policing in the North. There is a pogrom of innocent Catholics going on in the village being carried out by about half a dozen core perpetrators. The PSNI know who they are, the people of Stoneyford know who they are, the media know who they are and politicicans know who they are AND yet it still goes on. WHY? It’s a very simple question that Hugh Orde and his force have TOTALLY failed to answer. Are there sinister forces driving and protecting these scumbags is the REAL question that needs to be asked. WHO exactly is controlling, driving and protecting these individuals? Some posters on this site have already said that some of these individuals are paid informers and Hugh Orde should state if there is any truth in this. On a wider context the mayor torching the bonfire with SF, KAT & Tricolours on it doesn’t surprise me, Unionist politicians DO this sort of thing, in fact they major in it,they are masters of bigotry & sectarian hatred. They do it unhindered and free from questioning because the local Unionist media is still in a frenzy and preoccupied with an unarmed Republican movement. The hypocrisy of this entire duplicitous Political Process stinks to the high heavens. It’s NO wonder that the foundations are starting to crumble. The Shinners have suddenly realised that they are in government with a load of fundamental bone munching trolls from the Dark Ages who want the Fenian kept on the leash. Did they expect anything else when they went into government with them?
Posted by on Jul 14, 2008 @ 10:00 PMI get tired of some nationalist attempts to label all orange festivities as hate fuelled fascism, because it seems to be they’re just rationalising their own inability to come to terms with the section of Ireland that don’t conform to their fantasy gaelic utopia.
Easier to demonise the prods that go to all that effort of accepting their difference.Then we get something like this incident and it become pretty f*cking difficult to deny they may indeed have a point.
A disgraceful act showing that Crawford is not fit to hold public office. Unfortunately democracy work according to who gets the votes, not who is fit to hold office.Once again, a disgraceful act compounded by any unionist here who tries to rationalise it.
Posted by on Jul 14, 2008 @ 10:00 PMOf course there isnt equality- terrorist parties like SF cant be equated with ordinary law abiding citizens
Posted by observer on Jul 14, 2008 @ 06:56 PMAnd now we get to real issue.Not a taig about the place.
Posted by on Jul 14, 2008 @ 10:02 PMHey ulsterscot do you anything aboot that unpaid rent.
Posted by on Jul 14, 2008 @ 10:05 PMMaybee wee Willie who was oot fur his Dan’er there on tha BBC kens sumthin aboot thon rent POL!
Posted by on Jul 14, 2008 @ 10:13 PMSorry typo error, that should have been,
know anything aboot that unpaid rent
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7505447.stm
Posted by on Jul 14, 2008 @ 10:18 PM“....to their fantasy gaelic utopia.
TAKKBO…
Sure ain’t you folk Gaels too? If not ‘Irish’ Gaels, but originally of ‘Scots’ Gaels stock! Sure are’nt they one and the same thing? Collectively you call it ‘British, don’t ye’
‘Easier to demonise the prods than go to all that effort of accepting their difference.’
What you fail to understand however is that people are so dissappointed with this bahaviour by ‘the prods’ As it is not really very good or responsible behaviour, now is it TAKKBO? This from a community who prides itself with civil liberties for all, civic pride, the British way of life, tea, cricket gallant soldiers, cucumber sanwiches, etc… I detect that you are really disappointed with this behaviour too TAKKBO! I understand!
Pol ...Would there be truth then in that old ‘British’ stereotype of some Scotsmen being a bit tight with there schillings?
Posted by on Jul 14, 2008 @ 10:27 PMGreagoir.
What do you want from me?
I condemned the actions of the Lisburn mayor unreservedly.Posted by on Jul 14, 2008 @ 10:55 PMGreagoir.
Unlike TAFKABO I think Ronnie Crawfords action at Stoneyford should be congratulated.The incineration of a poster of Butler the Unrepentant Murderer should be compared to jews burning a picture of a SS officer - ie totally understandable.Had it been any other SDLP or nationalist politician with no criminal record - that would have been totally wrong.
Posted by on Jul 15, 2008 @ 06:48 AM
