Friday, June 15, 2007

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1. Dub,

   there is no organised opposition to the parade in fact quite the opposite. so you guys are nice. when there is bit of tension you guys aren’t.

   That’s just a load of crap if you ask me; whiterock and Drumcree are the obvious examples in favour of your claim, but what about the dozens of smaller of church parades which the Shinner’s are trying to end? You don’t see the OO waving their ceremonial swords around there.

   Getting drunk has just become one of them features of a 12th. Its called having fun. And believe you me, you haven’t seen a drunk Orangeman til you’ve been to Rossnowlagh, that’s what I meant earlier by saying the Sandhouse does a steady trade!

   is it shinners who make a lot of the retinue in orange parades in ni drunk, urinate in people’s gardens, stop outside catholic chapels and pubs and beat the drums extra loudly, allow lodge banners with uvf and uda terrorists on them, shout obscenities at passers by.. no of course it is not

   Mefinks you have quite a creative view of what the majority of 12ths are like, count the number or Orange Order banners in existence and then count the number with reference to UVF/UDA/bullshit and then you will see how small that problem actually is. Granted if you are a regular attendee of parades on the Shankill or Portadown you may encounter quite a few but that’s because of where they are coming from. That’s a problem that needs solved in that area, so don’t sweep the OO with the same brush.  You go to most parades in Tyrone, Londonderry, Antrim, Fermanagh and you will not see a single shameful banner. Even then it is an isolated problem in Down and Armagh.

   i repeat that if these things happened in donegal the oo would be genuinely mortified and would be besides themselves as to how they could make amends and rightly so…

   And I repeat that those things don’t happen in Donegal because the bands come from the border Counties, ie no paramilitary nonsense. It has absolutely nothing to do with whether the shiners are in the area or not.

   btw i am intrigued that you call the donegal orangemen irish orangemen (which of course they are), surely you and all northern orangemen are also irish orangemen??

   I thought 1921 pretty much answered that question. Obviously we are not.

   Lib2016,

   Unfortunately far too many of us have been exposed to the ‘tunes’ and behaviour of the Orange Order

   Quite a sweeping statement don’t ya think?

   Personally I welcome the recognition by many Orangemen that they have a problem and would prefer to believe that rehabilitation begins with the admission that there is a problem

   Must of missed that one…

   Posted by Fermanagh Young Unionist on Jun 17, 2007 @ 05:34 PM
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