Thursday, January 19, 2006
Latest Sinn Fein spy outed
Well, it looks like this one wasn’t tittle tattle. In fact nobody seems to have fingered Sean Lavelle before he outed himself. The party worker joins a growing band of ex informers from inside the Republican movement.
Mick Fealty @ 10:45 AM
I’m outraged that you were nominated to the SFBMC before I was
Henry
SFBMC is only for a select few, I will pass your request on to the relevant authorities ;)
Posted by on Jan 19, 2006 @ 06:49 PMSFBMC is only for a select few, I will pass your request on to the relevant authorities ;)
Yes PSNI SB
Posted by on Jan 19, 2006 @ 07:06 PMI think the fact that TAFKABO can be accused of having anything to do with SF shows how surreal the posting has become.
Chris, Henry is a sleeper but don’t tell anyone especially Henry himself as he hasn’t been re-programmed yet.
Posted by on Jan 19, 2006 @ 07:07 PMYes PSNI SB
Why would I contact RUC/PSNI SB?
That is who you speak to before you come on here, not me!
Chris, Henry is a sleeper but don’t tell anyone especially Henry himself as he hasn’t been re-programmed yet
No bother!
When do we tell them that Mick Fealty is the head of SFBMC?
Posted by on Jan 19, 2006 @ 07:11 PMWhy would I contact RUC/PSNI SB?
That is who you speak to before you come on here, not me
Looks like I have touched upon a raw nerve. Oooogh
Posted by on Jan 19, 2006 @ 07:23 PMThe only thing you touch Ingram is yourself
Posted by on Jan 19, 2006 @ 07:46 PMMickhall,
I take your point but every society needs a decent police force to catch child molestors, car thieves, burglars etc but the RUC/PSNI is not it. There is no denying that there was wide spread collusion between the NI security services and loyalist death squads and that the police were actively involved in “shoot to kill” policies and in torture to extract confessions. Where they were not involved they turned a blind eye (and still do) to loyalist violence. And this has be supported by the prosecution service (public interest anyone?) and the judiciary
Before I give my support to the PSNI I want to be sure that this is a thing of the past. I want a public airing of all the collusion activities and other malfeasances and to be sure that anyone involved is gone. I don’t want them to go to jail but if they have to retire to somewhere like Barnsley then that is OK by me- but I want them gone.
I want to know how high up approval went for this activity and those involved in directing it forced from public life and I want structures in place so that it cannot happen again.
The analogy with the police in the south eastern US in the 50s and 60’ is a good one. In the 50’s and 60’s any African American who supported the police would have needed his head examined- now there are black police chiefs.
As to my Gerry Kelly remark, that was a bit rhetorical but if the RM support the police then young republicans will join and the names will come out—unless the special branch remains a “force within a force” and that would be unacceptable.
Regarding operation control –it would be unacceptable for a police chief to be a law unto himself. The community should have a say in directing police resources. For example they should be able to tell the police to direct more resources to street crime and less to raiding dirty book stores. (just and example—I don’t really like dirty book stores.)
Posted by on Jan 19, 2006 @ 08:05 PMMartin Ingram, or more accurately Jack Grantham, has little of use to tell the audience here. He is a former FRU member, big deal, who has lost contact with his former colleagues in that branch of the British Army.
Posted by on Jan 19, 2006 @ 08:22 PMPat the Rat,
are you seriously telling us that the two North Belfast men are not touts? Why so many inquiries into one of them long before his name appeared in the press? Ask the vols - they know. Why has he no longer appeared at internal army briefing sessions since the July 2003 outing? Perhaps you would like to tell us something about what really happened the night of the Enniskillen bombing. Who was sent out to get caught in Belfast city centre so that his wife could be all the more exploitable? And who sent him out? And did the same guy take up with the wife? Don’t tell us you don’t know. Any republican in North Belfast knows the tale.
Posted by on Jan 19, 2006 @ 08:30 PMWhich of the two do you think is the informer then?
Posted by on Jan 19, 2006 @ 08:36 PMPaul Rea,
I’ll ignore the rather lame intro (Pat the Rat how very original) obviously you haven’t posted here very long. I know the person who was arrested the night of the Enniskillen Bomb at Bridge St in Belfast. It was in all the papers and names are readily available and easy to establish.
The rest of your post rambles off into the ether and I feel unable to dignify it with any form of answer. My post stands on merit, yours obviously in bitterness and innuendo.
Posted by on Jan 19, 2006 @ 08:51 PMHeck, you rightly point out that we need:
“...a decent police force to catch child molestors, car thieves, burglars etc”.
But then certain obvious questions arise:
- other than the PSNI, who is doing this work as of now?
- are they any good at it?
- if they are, how do we know?
- who will tell us if they’re not?
Posted by on Jan 19, 2006 @ 08:52 PMPR and PD,
Please, please cut the personal abuse, if for no other reason than it detracts from the content of your posts!
Posted by on Jan 19, 2006 @ 08:55 PMMickhall
Cut your posts by 80% please in size not in quantity, i’m on BT click at a penny a minute, it cost me three quid to read your last one.
Yoda
It is too easy to be brushed a Provo on this site, well i personally wouldn’t paint you a Provo with a brush.... not while B+Q are doing big fuck-off rollers for lest than the price of a Mickhall post
Posted by on Jan 19, 2006 @ 09:08 PMPaul, Which of the two are you talking about?
Posted by on Jan 19, 2006 @ 09:24 PMyoda,
Sorry mate, I know im a bit long winded, I’ll keep you in mind next time ;}
All the best
mick
Posted by on Jan 19, 2006 @ 09:30 PMYoda,
That was very very rude to tell Mickhall that he’s long winded after some of the rants that you have posted…
Mickhall you make you posts as long as you like mate… just try and keep up
Posted by on Jan 19, 2006 @ 09:38 PMMickhall,
I didn’t call you long-winded, and I can’t find the post where I’m supposed to have said it.
TD
I have no idea what you’re on about. Sorry.
Posted by on Jan 19, 2006 @ 10:19 PMOh I see, now.
Mickhall, that was The Devil in post #14 telling you he found you longwinded. He then went on to address me.
Naughty Devil.
Personally, I read your posts with great interest.
Posted by on Jan 19, 2006 @ 10:23 PMHe is just stirring Yoda
A sad attempt at humour
Posted by on Jan 19, 2006 @ 10:23 PMSorry Yoda, i got you mixed up with the devil, not the mythical one who appears in best selling books wriiten by Gods messingers, but the one who posts to slugger.
I know, it don’t make sense. This is getting surreal, better stop,
Mick
Posted by on Jan 19, 2006 @ 10:58 PM“That is exactly what Adams was saying yesterday,Adams knows the extent of the espoinage. It is idiots on this board who can not accept that they are riddled. Adams said their is more to come and the Shinners on here had better get used to it.
People like Chris Gaskin, Dubliner, Pat , who know better lead the sheep like Elfinto down a dark alley. Time to wake up lads. “ - Martin Ingram/Walter Mitty
Martin, your hysterical use of hyperbole simply serves to incinerate the last tattered shreds of your ‘credibility’ and render you into an impotent typing knave: a handful of touts out of tens of thousands of loyal Sinn Féin supporters does not qualify as “riddled.”
When you have a list of at least 5,000 names (which is a small percentage of Sinn Féin’s vast supporter base) on it, then use words like “riddled.”
Where are the big fish? Sinn Féin has:
5 MPs
24 MLAs
5 TDs
2 MEPsThey got a 24.3% percentage share of the total vote in the 2003 assembly election. Hasn’t anyone explained the concept of democracy to you? It’s not that hard to fathom: the electorate vote for who they want to represent them.
Sorry, Martin, but Internet message boards are not a Court of Appeal for blundering Walter Mitty spooks who seek to nullify the outcome of democratic elections. ;)
Posted by on Jan 19, 2006 @ 11:07 PMWell the republican movement has to deal with the proposition of another former trusted party member being revealed today as an informant steadily working for their sworn enemy over an exaggerated period of time, in this instance as in the Donaldson and Scappatticci cases that time scale ran into decades. Much as the Sinn Fein PR machine would have us believe in this case that Sean Lavelle was only a poster wielding foot soldier for the local party branch incapable of delivering on to his handlers anything other than the most trivial of nonsense and a few packets of polycell wallpaper paste for the election posters, anyone with the faintest trace of common sense will discard this very notion as a whitewash that would have the admiration of Lord Widgery himself.
Sean Lavelle comes from a family background and geographical area which is steeped in republican beliefs and traditions, his republican connections were impeccable as was the level of local republican knowledge that available to him or his Special Branch handlers if they so wished. Now it is on this point that the Sinn Fein PR machine would have us believe that once turned by his Special Branch handlers they would not have asked of him all the damning forensic evidence they could lay their hands on, the names, addresses, workplaces, hobbies, finances, lovers and general weaknesses of every single comrade and party member in the Fermanagh area. Are they claiming that these highly paid highly trained handlers with high political motivation and virtually no morals would not want access to any arms dump of whatever size or significance holding munitions that could be tampered with by specialist British forces rendering them totally useless or very skillfully retarded in the extreme. That they would not want any weapons that can either be retrieved for electronic monitoring via a global positioning system then returned to their original position awaiting collection by other republicans thus revealing more republican safe houses and favored transport routes.
The stark point is that in the acquisition of senior republicans like Lavelle and Donaldson the Intelligence community hit four bars on the political slot machine, in Belfast with the acquiring of Joe Fenton and Freddy Scappatticci as agents the Intelligence community hit four bells, but it must be clear to all that with the ones still uncovered that the Intelligence community hit the jackpot.
Posted by on Jan 19, 2006 @ 11:31 PMPat, under a bit of pressure mo chara? Afraid to dignify my question with a straight answer? Is it because you and I both know the sad truth behind that sordid little incident? You know the guy who was arrested. Do you know who sent him out and then moved in with his wife? Why does he not do the briefings now? Take a chance Pat. Open the box and see what is inside. Any more outings on the way Pat? Joe Public about to have another little surprise?
Posted by on Jan 20, 2006 @ 12:16 AMimaplantwaterme,
Just curious, but how many successful revolutions have you actually participated in??
Posted by on Jan 20, 2006 @ 01:29 AM
