Thursday, January 19, 2006
Latest Sinn Fein spy outed
Well, it looks like this one wasn’t tittle tattle. In fact nobody seems to have fingered Sean Lavelle before he outed himself. The party worker joins a growing band of ex informers from inside the Republican movement.
Mick Fealty @ 10:45 AM
Spill,
Sandy Lynch was an IRA man based in north Belfast who was rescued by the ‘security forces’ from a house in Lenadoon where he had been interrogated by the IRA Internal Security team including Freddie Scappaticci and others. Under interrogation Lynch had made a taped confession that he was an informer.
When the Brits raided the house (after keeping it under surveillance for a number of days) they lifted Danny Morrison and some other leading republicans. It was later alleged in court that Morrison, in his capacity as ‘Lord Chief Justice’ had come to pass a death sentence on Lynch. The informer Joe Fenton had been interrogated in the same house the previous year before being killed. He made a taped confession too.
Scap managed not to be in the house at the crucial moment and Lynch later alleged that Sean Maguire, who also avoided arrest, was also present during his interrogation. He also alleged that Maguire was deputy OC of the Provos in Ard Eoin.
The Lenadoon raid was a real coup for the Brits. They must have calculated that Scap would be sidelined but they were able to show that leading members of Sinn Fein were engaged in some very heavy stuff.
I assume that the famous five ‘Martin’ referred to are the five people present at various points of Lynch’s interrogation who evaded arrest.
Posted by on Jan 20, 2006 @ 07:43 PMPat you have the ball. Let’s not play the men lets play ball!!
Posted by on Jan 20, 2006 @ 07:56 PMgg
Posted by on Jan 20, 2006 @ 08:34 PMWBR,
at least the admittance that you are regurgitating other poster’s yarns is belatedly to your credit. Though your multiple posting is confusing. Now can you or any of your alter egos present any facts to entertain us.
Posted by on Jan 20, 2006 @ 08:42 PMBTW,
Still no answer from you where I was alleged to hacve claime to ‘be somebody’. I take it you were simply lying to enhance your argument.
I don’t mind the personal stuff aimed at me by PR or yourself (which ever one of you is the dominant personality) it is simply a sign of the inherent weakness of your argument.
Also the ‘everybody knows’ argument is patently false and again a sign of a very weak case. Good luchk anyway.
Posted by on Jan 20, 2006 @ 08:46 PMI know it was you Patdo. You broke my heart. You broke my heart! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
Posted by on Jan 20, 2006 @ 09:01 PMU dropped the ball Pat.
game over
Posted by on Jan 20, 2006 @ 10:14 PMElfinto you’re so full of it. Lynch was originally from TurfLodge but had moved to South Derry.
Pity Scap wasn’t took to Crossmaglen and hung upside down and skinned alive like he threatened to do to Lynch. But then again now we know that Scap was saved because he was one of the big boys like D Donaldson, Martin McGuinness and Tom Hartley.
Makes me wonder if Lynch was really a tout, because you will admit to anything when you are under torture.
Posted by on Jan 20, 2006 @ 10:21 PMWBR,
you are probably best waiting for another post to regurgiate and take your lead from that.
Anyway one of you trolls is killing the thread, which is over as far as I am concerned.BTW i’m sure The Sunday World will have something for you to salivate over at the weekend.
Good night
Posted by on Jan 20, 2006 @ 10:41 PMThe sunday world??? What the F**k r u on about??
LOL!!
Good night Pat. It’s time you were in bed.
Posted by on Jan 20, 2006 @ 10:48 PMPoor Pat,
if I was tempted to give you the benefit of the doubt and accept that you are not under pressure, your post removed it for me. Accusing me of multiple posting hardly sounds like a man free from pressure. I have no idea who WBR is. It is certainly not me. I suppose for your ego’s sake it is more comfortable if you can convince yourself that only one person thinks you are all at sea rather than a number of them. Although, you are probably too intelligent to believe any of it. But by pretending that you do, you hope to evade the issue at hand. You see, this thread was started by yourself in a bid to defend two men from allegations of being agents. These allegations according to you emerged in the aftermath of Scap. In fact the allegations in one case go back to the 1980s and started within the movement and not with the media, Martin Ingram or any one else associated with those two areas of work. As you through your contribution to this thread have allowed the issue to be explored more deeply, there are fewer people believing your statements of innocence on behalf of the two men than there was at the outset. So, in a sense you have been part of a process that has shaped a case against one of the men. Your assertion that you know nothing about the arrested vol’s wife being prey for this man leaves you looking like someone afraid to say something in case you put your foot in it. Yet, someone in the US can find this information out in a matter of minutes and you in North Belfast can’t. Unless you think I am Elfinto also.
It is not that I take my cue from what was said in the press after Scap. I recall the allegations about one of the people arising in the 1980s - even before Paddy Teer and that was not yesterday - and originated within the movement. But you are right - there was disinformation put out after Scap. Where we disagree is what it was. SF said Scap was the victim of securocrats. That was disinformation. It was never substantiated. But don’t worry Pat. You have been able to help me. Greatly in fact. You have helped persuade others that one of the men has a case to answer.
My last paragraph of an earlier post is you say evidence that I have no understanding of what SF in North Belfast think. Let the readers decide on that. I would argue that North Belfast SF know fully about the events after the arrest of the vol in Bridge Street in 1987. You imply no one knows. Who is closer to the mark - you or me?
Who is bullshitting it - you or me?Strange that for one who can spot a bullshitter you have failed to spot it right in your midst. But then that would be unfair to you. You know he is a bull shitter. The party line is to pretend otherwise. Can’t have a senior agent running the daily paper can we?
Keep the thread running Pat. While it may not be your intention, your role in helping the outing is crucial. And just think of how many people are reading all this and learning more all the time.
Posted by on Jan 20, 2006 @ 11:08 PMPat
You shouldn’t feed trolls
You know better ;)
Quite clearly some sad ******* who has to make up different personas in order to get someone to agree with him.
Posted by on Jan 21, 2006 @ 12:33 AMPat I am looking at your over the kerb stone wondering why you would defend an informer?
Guess I’d rather be down at the kerb than that.
Posted by on Jan 21, 2006 @ 12:42 AMWho is next in the outing list????
Will it be Danny?
Will it be Tom?
Will it be Alex?
Will it be one of our Martin’s?
You’ll have to wait and see!!!
Posted by on Jan 21, 2006 @ 01:58 AMThe coming years and months are indeed going to be interesting, Sinn Fein are going to be made to change tac at some point because this softly softly approach like the Scap affair will not wash with the victims.
Martin
PS. Curly top and Joe , have certainly led an interesting life it is good that people are asking these questions. That Newspaper has certainly had its fair share of funding? I wonder why, Just a thought.
Posted by on Jan 21, 2006 @ 01:56 PMMartin,
It’s not called the Andytout News for nothing.Posted by on Jan 21, 2006 @ 02:23 PMPaul Rea says ‘I recall the allegations about one of the people arising in the 1980s - even before Paddy Teer and that was not yesterday and originated within the movement.’
Didn’t Paddy Teer die in long kesh on the 2nd of July 1974 RIP.
Paul are you saying that the ‘other’ man involved and named by the press as one of the two informers is the person that the allegations have arisen about or is it the same man known as curly top?
Are you going to tell us the allegations??
Don’t people have a right to know?
Posted by on Jan 21, 2006 @ 02:49 PMWBR, the Paddy Teer you referred to did indeed die in Long Kesh in 1974. He was from West Belfast. I think it was Ballymurphy. The other Paddy Teer was from Ardoyne. He was charged on the basis of Chris Black’s evidence in 1981 and had the charges dismissed around 1986. At the start of the 1990s he was spirited out of Ardoyne. He was a tout. His outing allowed the area to think they had sorted their tout problem. This line was pushed most strongly by CT.
The second part of your question was not clear. So you should come back and ask exactly what you want cleared up? I thought from my earlier postings that there was little in the way of vagueness. Follow up. But I guess your take on this is as good as mine.
Posted by on Jan 21, 2006 @ 04:24 PMPR,
if you state you are not multiple posting I will accept that.
Eventually after much nodding and winking you at last identified who you were alluding to. The site is about getting as much information into the public domain as possible. So why you just didn’t do it from the start is therefore very puzzling.
As it is your allegations are impossible for you to prove and therefore equally impossible for me to disprove. If you get annoyed at me not believing you then there is nothing I can do about that.
WBR,
Paddy Teer was a republican from Ardoyne who left the area in the early 1990’s and is now living in Birmingham.
Posted by on Jan 21, 2006 @ 04:24 PMPat, it may not be clear to WBR who would appear to live in West Belfast. His knowledge of North Belfast (Paddy Teer) is probably not enough to allow him to follow the detail. But you knew it. You knew exactly who moved in with the vol’s wife. It is impossible to be in your place in North Belfast and not know. But the damage is done. You have persuaded enough people that there is a case to answer. I hope your superiors don’t treat you as they did Molloy.
Posted by on Jan 21, 2006 @ 04:36 PMhttp://cain.ulst.ac.uk/mccormick/album16.htm
mural no 529
Ballymurphy Road Belfast. Portrait of Paddy Teer over sunset and prison walls and the cages of long kesh died long kesh aged 20 on 2nd of July 1974.
Posted by on Jan 21, 2006 @ 04:42 PM‘You knew exactly who moved in with the vol’s wife.’
That is not true.
‘It is impossible to be in your place in North Belfast and not know.’
That is not true.
‘You have persuaded enough people that there is a case to answer.’
It is impossible to know if ‘enough people’ are convinced by yuor allegatios. How do you know?
‘I hope your superiors don’t treat you as they did Molloy.’
I don’t have any superiors or atre you going to start making allegations against me?
Posted by on Jan 21, 2006 @ 04:46 PMI got that straightened out now Paul, the allegations you are refering to are the above, the strong line pushed by CT..about the touts and getting the problem under control. I took it they went further back than that to the young Paddy. We crossed our wires. When you said ‘one of the men had allegations going back to before Paddy Teer and that was not yesterday’ I thought you got that right it wasn’t yesterday that wee lad died, theres the confusion.
In my opinion the case against CT is indisputable.
Posted by on Jan 21, 2006 @ 05:05 PMPat, let the readers decide. I refer to your superiors in SF. Or are you suggesting Molloy had other superiors the rest of us did not know of?
Posted by on Jan 21, 2006 @ 05:08 PMPR,
the readers can indeed decide if your allegations constitute anything other than your ramblings. As stated earlier I have no superiors, good luck and good night.
Posted by on Jan 21, 2006 @ 05:11 PM
