Saturday, May 17, 2008
Keep the faith? Not likely, old chep…
PRINCESS Anne’s son Peter Philips will be married to Canadian Autumn Kelly at Windsor Castle later today. Thanks to the Act of Settlement, Ms Kelly had to renounce her Catholic faith in order for her husband to retain his claim to the throne. He’s only be 11th in line (and a commoner), so her conversion was pretty token. While it may be natural for those born with a silver spoon in their mouths not to rock the boat, had Ms Kelly been a Muslim, Jew, witch or Satanist none of these problems would have arisen. And if she’d kept her faith, perhaps the couple would be getting more than half a million from Hello! - perhaps they might have even earned some wider respect?
Belfast Gonzo @ 08:03 AM
taffie
Funny how those of you enlightened ones that have seen the light, and abandoned religion, can’t shut up about everyone else’s choices.....eh?
Posted by on May 17, 2008 @ 01:42 PM“According to press I’ve seen she had no idea who he was until she was well smitten “
What?
G.
Posted by on May 17, 2008 @ 01:44 PMTo quote the the old joke, by her action she has raised the average IQ of both faiths ;-)
Posted by on May 17, 2008 @ 01:52 PMBfB.
Funny how this thread is about discussing someone’s choice, why should my contributions be different than anyone else who has stayed on topic?
Posted by on May 17, 2008 @ 01:59 PMCanada is of course the official refuge place of asylum for the day if and when the Monarchy is booted out of England
No, thanks. Your problem; you deal with it.
Posted by on May 17, 2008 @ 02:55 PM‘leads me to conclude than there is still a rather strng tribalism within some catholics.’
‘Firstly, all people adopt religion out of selfish reasons, the most common being a fear of hellfires and the promise of eternal bliss.’
‘some of us (I like to think the more enlightened, but I would, wouldn’t I?) even abandon religion altogether.’Discussing someones’ choice?
Seemed like ego/atheist anti-religion ranting to me..
Sorry…Posted by on May 17, 2008 @ 02:57 PMBfB.
Do fuck off and stop trolling, there’s a good chap.Posted by on May 17, 2008 @ 03:08 PMBfB
So what you’re saying is that you actually believe in the physical existence of the hell fires?
I await your obfuscation....
Posted by on May 17, 2008 @ 03:23 PMtaffie,
With your nose so high in the air, can you still see your shoes?
Posted by on May 17, 2008 @ 03:24 PMBfB
When I start telling other human beings that they will be tortured for an eternity, unless they agree with my belief in middle eastern fairy tales, then I might start to think I was acting as if I felt superior.
Posted by on May 17, 2008 @ 04:19 PMAre we sure that this Ms Kelly was ever a Catholic? If so why was she not christened Mary, or Anne or Bridgid or Bernadette? Her forename, “Autumn”, is most certainly not a Christian name and reeks suspiciously of Pantheism to me. Or perhaps she’s an Albigensian. I hear that they are very big at Hello! magazine.
..and while we’re at it could we all not agree to excommunicate BfB (BullshitforBrains?). He’s in danger of uniting us all to a common cause (his early demise) and that would never do on Slugger.
Posted by on May 17, 2008 @ 04:41 PMMore importantly, she’s a classy looking bird, Autumn Kelly. Not quite as top notch as Kate Middleton, but slightly ahead of Harrys bit of stuff.
As an atheist, I’d convert to any church if it meant a dalliance with Autumn, Chelsy or Kate.
But I may be guilty of shallow thinking here.
Posted by on May 17, 2008 @ 04:51 PMResolve,
Hellfire?
It’s you and taffie who are hiding you’re true disbeliefs, not I.It makes your sad, little, empty, meaningless, unexplained, randomly occurring, life a tad more bearable....
Look at your sig.....obfuscation at it’s best.Posted by on May 17, 2008 @ 05:15 PMBfB
Who’s the big lad slabbering at me? Sheltered by your cosy internet anonymity, BfB suffers from delusions of grandeur! I’d like to hear you having a go at me off these boards! Unlikely…
To be specific…
Who exactly is “hiding” their beliefs? Evidently not TAFKABO, given his statements above. Evidently not me, as i’ve never done so. Given this, I find it hard to even understand where you’re coming from…
Next, in relation to your criticisms, I take them as compliments!
I can safely ignore the “sad, empty, meaningless” part, since they just show you to be the sort of person who is prepared to judge on matters not within their knowledge. You don’t know me, so don’t judge me. I would’ve thought a disposition like that would follow from your Christian ethic… evidently not…
However, this predisposition to judge matters beyond your comprehension extends to the second set of criticisms. You have criticized my life as “unexplained”. In fact, we all exist with this dilemma facing us. Belief in God presupposes agnosticism.. that’s why it’s called “faith”. Yet, when a person decides which side of the debate to opt for in default, the scales are hardly evenly weighted. I don’t know that there is no God, I merely refrain from making presumptions of exact knowledge. This is something you seem quite comfortable of being guilty of. Indeed, your answer implies the reason for your belief… to give the unexplainable an explanation… to make an unbearable existence bearable. I need no such comfort blanket BfB. My life is easily bearable. It has plenty of meaning. I’m quite happy the way I am, thank you.
Also, you never answered my question. Do you believe Hell exists? If so, where?
Posted by on May 17, 2008 @ 05:44 PMLets put the world to right
1 repeal the Act of Settlement
2 Allow anyone to become head of the Vatican State
( the Pope must always be a Catholic but the political head can be anyone)Any supporters?
Posted by on May 17, 2008 @ 06:22 PMulsterfan
Kate or Chelsy? That’s the real debate, although Autumn isn’t bad for a 30 year old. You gotta love posh totty.Posted by on May 17, 2008 @ 06:40 PMUlster Fan,
Anyone can already become Pope. All it requires is that, upon the death of a pope, the Holy Ghost inspires the cardinalature in conclave to select that person.
So far it seems that the Holy Ghost has tended to inspire the cardinals towards the selection of Catholics in Holy Orders but as the eccentric English writer, Frederick Rolfe (aka “Baron Corvo")fantasised in his much read 1904 novel Hadrian the Seventh it might be possible (and indeed according to Rolfe) really ought to be that a crazy, chain smoking English homosexual be elected pope - as he is in Rolfe’s novel.
Who knows, Ulster Fan, you might even be considered papabile yourself one day.
For more on “Baron Corvo”:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_CorvoPosted by on May 17, 2008 @ 07:07 PMRory: Anyone can already become Pope. All it requires is that, upon the death of a pope, the Holy Ghost inspires the cardinalature in conclave to select that person.
But, in practice, my wife would have to convert to Roman Catholicism first, wouldn’t she?
Posted by on May 17, 2008 @ 07:30 PMRory: Anyone can already become Pope. All it requires is that, upon the death of a pope, the Holy Ghost inspires the cardinalature in conclave to select that person.
Oh - and would my wife have to get rid of me before getting the job?
The constitutional problem is that the UK head of state is also the head of the Church of England. Break that link, and the rest will relatively easily fall into place. There can’t by that much antidisestablismentarianism left, these days.
Posted by on May 17, 2008 @ 07:36 PMthick bitch
Posted by on May 17, 2008 @ 08:40 PMthick wagon;want’s to be rich;wait smart wagon ;bought
Posted by on May 17, 2008 @ 08:41 PMMatt - “Problem is all your Ne Temerre stuff finished 20-30 years ago”
I went on to talk about Matrimonia Mixta which replaced Ne Temere:
“the Catholic partner in a mixed marriage is obliged .. to see to it that the children be baptized and brought up in that same faith”Rory - “Anyone can already become Pope. All it requires is that, upon the death of a pope, the Holy Ghost inspires the cardinalature in conclave to select that person. So far it seems that the Holy Ghost has tended to inspire the cardinals towards the selection of [Roman]Catholics in Holy Orders..”
That made me laugh!!
Many Pan-Nationalists talk about Roman Catholics not being able to become King or Queen. That’s the head of one family with a specified role within the country. Yet they agree with the Roman Catholic church bullying thousands of mixed-marriage couples to make the non-Roman Catholic one feel that they have to convert.
Posted by on May 17, 2008 @ 08:44 PM“Oh - and would my wife have to get rid of me before getting the job?”
No, Reader, but it would probably be a great incentive for her. If I were you I wouldn’t let on to her. Once they get an idea into their heads....
Posted by on May 17, 2008 @ 10:21 PMPeaceAndJustice
“the Catholic partner in a mixed marriage is obliged .. to see to it that the children be baptized and brought up in that same faith”If you want to talk about such issues, why don’t you at least do it honestly. Otherwise, you risk being considered nothing more than a troll.
Perhaps you could be so good as to explain why you felt it necessaray to put in three dots in the above quote to replace two very important words:
”where possible”
Theologically and practically, those two words make all the difference and actually explain the difference between Ne Temere and its successor.
Posted by on May 17, 2008 @ 10:56 PMIt does highlight the absurdity of expecting Catholics to become loyal to a State that discriminates against Catholics at the constitutional level of Head of State. Moving quickly along…
My wife asked me before we married if I would consider embracing the catholic religion because she didn’t think it practical to raise Jewish children. I still get a laugh out of that. I told her that Jewish ethnicity is passed by the mother’s line and that unless her mother was Jewish (and my best guess was that with an Irish surname and a Sacred Heart picture in the kitchen, she wasn’t), then the kids wouldn’t be Jewish anyway. So, we agreed that she could raise the kids as Catholics.
I am quite happy with the old religion even if don’t really have a strong faith. I don’t think I could ever renounce it.
Posted by on May 18, 2008 @ 02:58 AM
