Thursday, August 03, 2006
Jackie earns his payout after bloodless expulsion…
THE UDA feud appears to be over. After the flight of Shoukri supporter Alan McClean to England last night, the remnants of the north Belfast ‘dissidents’ were accepted back by the ‘inner council’.
Belfast Gonzo @ 08:40 PM
Peking: “I didn’t know the man so can’t possibly comment on his intellectualism. But lets be honest Mick, if you were judging him against your own brain power he wouldn’t have to be Einstein now would he. “
And this is “playing the ball” how, Peking?
Posted by on Aug 04, 2006 @ 07:53 PMPeking,
You obviously didn’t know Billy Mitchell.
You appear to know little of what it takes to bring about change in Loyalist communities.Republicans sitting at a senior ex UVF man’s funeral in Carrick?!
The world is changing.
Try to join in!
Posted by on Aug 04, 2006 @ 11:16 PMthis thread was getting interesting then someone went and spoilt it.
Posted by on Aug 05, 2006 @ 08:37 AMTHE UDA feud appears to be over. After the flight of Shoukri supporter Alan McClean to England last night, the remnants of the north Belfast ‘dissidents’ were accepted back by the ‘inner council’.
Belfast Gonzo @ 08:40 PM
Proof, if ever it was needed, that the UDA has indeed travelled a long way since the murder of John Gregg in February 2003, which effectively spelt the end of Adair’s “management” of C Company when his supporters fled Ulster. Seven lives were lost due to Adair’s intransigence and refusal to accept the UDA Inner Council’s decision to depose him as West Belfast’s Brigadier and to expel him from the UDA altogether. His expulsion came about because of his continual tarnishing of the UDA’s name by his involvement in criminality through his association with the criminal and now defunct Loyalist Volunteer Force.
Recently, in an almost mirror-image to Adair’s fall, the Shoukris were expelled from the UDA, but although there were a few cases of civil unrest there were no lives lost as North Belfast’s criminal element realised the game was up and left without much of a fight.The UDA realise that the sword is sharper, but the pen is mightier…
Posted by on Aug 07, 2006 @ 03:21 PMtechnically it’s not over until we know what the two shoukri brothers do. They are in prison now, but when they are released they may not be prepared to leave belfast simply because the UDA , or more precisely jackie McDonald, has told them to bugger off. Not all the brigades supported their expulsion so lts wait and see what happens.
Posted by on Aug 07, 2006 @ 03:40 PMtechnically it’s not over until we know what the two shoukri brothers do. They are in prison now, but when they are released they may not be prepared to leave belfast simply because the UDA , or more precisely jackie McDonald, has told them to bugger off. Not all the brigades supported their expulsion so lts wait and see what happens.
Posted by ladysnowblood on Aug 07, 2006 @ 04:40 PM
They don’t have the support of the membership - the grass-roots at Volunteer level, or at Officer level either, so the game’s up as far as I’m concerned. S.E.A. may not have made contact with the Inner Council for a month but this doesn’t mean they support the Shoukris or want criminality within the organisation to continue. They are sorting out issues within their brigade and as with anything, these things are better not rushed. Unlike the UVF, who are centrally controlled from the Shankill Road, each of the six brigades of the UDA have a degree of autonomy. This makes the organisation more democratic than the blacknecks and means each brigade can address local issues without unwelcome “outsiders” getting involved, but it also can be a bit of a hinderence at times when the D.A. is trying to move forward as a cohesive organisation away from criminality and violence, and down the path of political progress, as was seen in the cases of Sad Dog Adair, Doris Day Gray and the Shoukris/McClean. Things nowadays are still preferable to the old hierarchy, when there was one man sitting at a big chair (Supreme Commander) with six smaller chairs around him (Brigadiers)…
Posted by on Aug 09, 2006 @ 02:04 PMCL: “They don’t have the support of the membership - the grass-roots at Volunteer level, or at Officer level either, so the game’s up as far as I’m concerned.”
And the importance of your opinion over matters as a whole is precisely *what?*
CL: “S.E.A. may not have made contact with the Inner Council for a month but this doesn’t mean they support the Shoukris or want criminality within the organisation to continue.”
The Shoukri’s primary sin was not criminality, but being caught at criminality. The UDA’s funding operations are more like funguses than plants—they don’t like or want the light of day.
Posted by on Aug 09, 2006 @ 02:17 PMD-C,
There is no point in even attempting to change the mindsets of people like you. You have a one-eyed perspective on loyalism and won’t entertain even the possibilty that the loyalist paramilitaries are involved in a transition of change from violence to politics…Posted by on Aug 09, 2006 @ 03:02 PMCL: “There is no point in even attempting to change the mindsets of people like you. You have a one-eyed perspective on loyalism and won’t entertain even the possibilty that the loyalist paramilitaries are involved in a transition of change from violence to politics… “
Simply applying the Paisley principle, CL—I’ll believe when I see it… or maybe I won’t.
That said, if you honestly believe a cudgel-wielding mob marching on the Shoukri’s turf constitutes “politics,” I’d say you have a ways to go, starting with a trip to the bookstore for a good dictionary.
Do you honestly think that if the Shoukri Bros. kept a nice, low profile and didn’t gamble (and lose)like drunken sailors back from six months at sea that their leadership would even be an issue? Likewise, if you think its only the Shoukris who are sour, then you’re fooling yourself.
Posted by on Aug 09, 2006 @ 03:22 PMLoyalist & unionist areas have been totally swamped with drugs over the last number of years and the uda have been the main culprits.
The leadership of the organisation are involved in, and control huge parts of the drug market in northern ireland.
Go into any loyalist bar/club/shebeen over the weekend and watch the uff foot soldiers selling class a drugs to kids as young as 13 while their commanders and brigadiers look on.
Shoukri or McDonald are one in the same, controllers of an illegal drugs cartel called the uda/uff/uprg.
Posted by on Aug 09, 2006 @ 03:34 PMNewsletter style ?
‘A large crowd then left the meeting and stood outside the home of an interim brigadier.
Hours after the meeting families associated with the breakaway faction were peacefully moved out of Ulster.Does the Newsletter not recognise the Northern Ireland State ?
Is ‘peacefully moved out’ another word for self ethnic cleansing ?
Posted by on Aug 09, 2006 @ 05:30 PM
