Thursday, January 25, 2007
It’s Londonderry - Official
The Derry City Council legal challenge to the use of Londonderry as the city’s official name has been rejected. The High Court has ruled the renaming of the Council 23 years ago did not change the city’s official name, granted in 1613.
Fair Deal @ 02:54 PM
“Really ? Then why do we Dubliners have an Aston Quay, Annesley Bridge , Aberdeen St, Adelaide Road , Alexandra Basin , Bedord Row ,Buckingham St,Bolton St, Bow St, Britain Quay, Capel St, Chancery Lane, Place and Street Charlotte Quay/Street/Way , Chatham St (named after William Pitt son of first Earl of Chatham ) , Chesterfield Avenue , Dorset St , Wilton Terrace , Gloucester St etc etc etc etc and hundreds of other street names with ‘british’ connections ???”
And Nassau Street, the ancestral home of a certain Dutch King, although the links to this could be fairly tenuous. (perhaps I should’nt have mentioned that.)
I’m saddened that the city hasnt changed its name to that of which the occupants desired, perhaps with a little patience a good compromise can be reached.
Posted by on Jan 25, 2007 @ 06:51 PMGreenflag
“Then why do we Dubliners have an Aston Quay, Annesley Bridge , Aberdeen St, Adelaide Road , Alexandra Basin , Bedord Row ,Buckingham St,Bolton St, Bow St, Britain Quay, Capel St, Chancery Lane, Place and Street Charlotte Quay/Street/Way , Chatham St (named after William Pitt son of first Earl of Chatham ) , Chesterfield Avenue , Dorset St , Wilton Terrace , Gloucester St....”
You forgot Grafton Street, Great George’s Street North, Great George’s Street South, Anglesea Street, Townsend Street, Henry Street, Westmoreland Street, Burgh Quay, Eccles Street, Nassau Street, Pembroke Road, Clarendon Street, Molesworth Street, Harcourt Street, Beresford Place, Amiens Street, Crown Alley, Clarence Street, Earlsfort Terrace, Earl Street, Fleet Street, Fitzwilliam Square, Suffolk Street, South Cumberland Street, Wellington Quay, Marlborough Street, Westland Row….. and on and on and on….
As opposed to: O’Connell Street, Parnell Street/Square, Cathal Brugha Street, Pearse Street, Sean MacDiarmada Street, Fenian Street and, er, I’m struggling….
Jesus, Dublin has more British street names than Irish ones. One wonders are many unionists aware of this?
Posted by on Jan 25, 2007 @ 07:05 PMThis news has just made my day!
All I would like to know is how much the londonderry rate payer has had to fork-out for the city council to fight this court case!
Posted by on Jan 25, 2007 @ 07:10 PMUlick/Terry Doherty
You are both correct.
The council were aware that either the Royal Perogrative or Legislation would almost certainly be required.
However, they were advised by the DoE that (this being an unusual case as the council is already officially called Derry City Council) to establish that this couldn’t be done via the High Court.
Now we know that it can’t, the council can (if they wish) petition the Queen or make an appliction for the relevant legislation to be passed.
Posted by on Jan 25, 2007 @ 07:13 PMAnd if that wasn’t enough, ye’re both forgetting Little Britain Street in Dublin!
(as well as some of the finest Georgian architecture going)
Posted by on Jan 25, 2007 @ 07:40 PMI hope that this dispute goes on forever.
If the casting of epithets distracts some people from throwing physical objects at each other, it can only be a good thing.
Regardless of any court decision, the locals will go gone calling the city what they have always called that, from either side.Posted by on Jan 25, 2007 @ 07:47 PMjoeCanuck: “I hope that this dispute goes on forever. If the casting of epithets distracts some people from throwing physical objects at each other, it can only be a good thing.”
‘cept that the casting of epithets is, usually, just the warm-up act. Folks want to be able to say someone else started it.
joeCanuck: “Regardless of any court decision, the locals will go gone calling the city what they have always called that, from either side. “
The problem being A) it’s not settled
and B) the inevitable crowing that occurs.Yeah, I know, I’m a regular ray of sunshine…
Posted by on Jan 25, 2007 @ 08:02 PMYeah, I know, I’m a regular ray of sunshine…
If this and an all-Ireland football team is all the punters have to fight about, the war really is over.
Posted by on Jan 25, 2007 @ 08:08 PMSammy Morse: “If this and an all-Ireland football team is all the punters have to fight about, the war really is over. “
Nah, this is just the lull, a brief moment whilst the talking heads and empey suits look for the next “BIG THING” (tm) to fight over…
The saddest part, Sammy, is that there is *ALWAYS* something else to fight over.
Posted by on Jan 25, 2007 @ 08:20 PMI know that the London part was bestowed on Derry because the Merchants that rebuilt it came from London (or something like that).
I always thought that it was fortunate that they didnt come from Newcastle-upon-Tyne. Our signposts would have looked like something from the Welsh valleys.
Also now that Bush has such an influence on the UK can we rename London Washingtonlondon?
Posted by on Jan 25, 2007 @ 08:24 PMI will continue to call it “The Lice-ridden Crotch of Satan” as I always have.
Posted by on Jan 25, 2007 @ 08:24 PMWell you brought it up Dread, so I hope you are the one to be blamed for dragging us off-topic.
In the context of “warming up”, do any of our parties or politicians ever get away from our (relatively) petty squabbles to address the issue of environmental degradation which has all of us facing global disaster in the not too distant future.
Or will N.I. be immune, seeing that we’ve suffered too much already from hot air.?Posted by on Jan 25, 2007 @ 09:12 PMZiznivy,
There are not and never have been lice in my underpants.........
Posted by on Jan 25, 2007 @ 09:58 PMWhat a waste of money Jesus H Satan how many hospital beds were wasted on this ridiculous nonsense, for fucks sake it wouldn’t matter if they changes or not people will call it as their political background chooses.
The next thing they’re going to tell us there is no such place as Londoncrossmaglen.Posted by on Jan 25, 2007 @ 10:10 PMI propose that we in the South sacrifice one of our towns’ names in exchange for freeing Derry from its Saxon moniker.
So, we, the people of Offaly are going to rename Edenderry to EdenLondonDerry in the hope that the Orangemen will reciprocate in kind, and that way the majority of the populace of Derry will not be held to randsom by history as it were.
Posted by on Jan 25, 2007 @ 10:27 PMZzzzzzzzzzzz
Posted by on Jan 25, 2007 @ 10:55 PMOh come on children! It’s all part of the Northern Ireland zero sum game merry-go-round.
Earlier this week, nationalists got a result with the police ombudsman’s report.
So now it’s the turn of the unionists.
See?
Posted by on Jan 25, 2007 @ 11:33 PMWith regrets to you folks that are aboriginally challanged, it suffices to note that so often we are defined by those who do not entirely wish us well.
Take, for instance, tribal environments where the term for neighbor or stranger may share the same word as enemy. The French, when trading with the Native Americans, would ask who inhabited the lands beyond the next ridge. Sometimes the answer was the equivalent of fatass couch potatoes (Gros Vente) or miserly cheap sonzabitches (Coeur d’Alene).
Isn’t the time now neigh for a debate on whether or not Gerry Adams is on the Army Council. Hows about it?
Posted by on Jan 25, 2007 @ 11:35 PMwhy not call it single parent city due to the high number of dole scroungers that dwell in squalor within its walls fuelled up with cheap vodka with fridges as empty as their heads.
If anything can be done to enhance the lives of these permantly whindging maggots i think it would go under the name of sterilization, or at least contraception for the gutter harlots that have bred without thought of what damage they are doing to the communityPosted by on Jan 25, 2007 @ 11:37 PMA hybrid name must be found for the Maiden City that accommodates all traditions in this new multicultural Ireland. What about calling it:
London*allahhuakbar*ommanipadwehum*yomkippur*shiva*Doire*Colmcille*Derry.
*for Protestants and the English (who don´t know any better anyway, God love them)
*for Moslems
*for Buddhists
*for Jews
*for Hindus
*for Irish speakers
*for pedantic Irish speakersThis admittedly is quite a mouthful and in normal every day conversation would be shortened. As only using the first two syllables would cause inevitable confusion with another city located on one of Ireland´s offshore colonies it is proposed to shorten the name to the penultimate and final syllables (though with an optional -hi suffix for city natives)
Good night and God bless..
Posted by on Jan 25, 2007 @ 11:48 PMWhy not rename it just, simply “London”.
Then people would have to say things like “I’m from London...England” or “I’m from London...Ulster” - just like Americans have to do.
Also, Phil Coulter could write a song about it with the line “London, so good they re-named it twice”.
Posted by on Jan 26, 2007 @ 12:10 AMgood steam hi.dcc on the most part is full of cowboys anyway, its not a wonder they werent in anyway pragmatic about the name change.Im sure most rational people would agree the walled city should have been called Londonderry as an area within the the city of Derry.Nobody but the most anal of unionists call it Londonderry, and with good reason....because the people of the walled Londonderry did pretty much squat for those outside walls (and religion), and carried on with that mentality right through to gerrymandering, so why would any nationalist want to identify with that,after already swallowing the bitter pill of anglicizing the original name Doire.Londonderry has its place, and thats within the walls.........Maybe all the chucks can still get a kick out of the fact that practically all the prods ran away from their beloved walls when there was the smallest hint that they wouldn’t have a majority anymore.
Posted by on Jan 26, 2007 @ 12:17 AMHow about having an “ira ombudsman”? Obviously with the Police Ombudsman being the wife of a nationalist councillor this role should be filled by the wife or husband of a unionist councillor. We could then have reports on any illegal activities of that organisation, someone to monitor complaints about the ira, reports about which members had been involved in which activities, lots of leaks to the press about who was who, which senior members refused to give evidence to the investigation, etc. I’m sure nationalists would have lots of confidence in this new ombudsman and would support any report given by that office!
Posted by on Jan 26, 2007 @ 01:10 AMgeez i dont know how much of an insider you are but intelignce? uhhhhhhh not so much
it was derry when i went there on vacation will always be derry no matter how much the stringy little UDA wannabe tried to intimidate me outside the rail station lol
Posted by on Jan 26, 2007 @ 02:12 AMDoes this mean the Apprentice Boys of Derry will have to change their name now?
Posted by on Jan 26, 2007 @ 02:47 AM
