Friday, July 04, 2008
International Man of Hypocrisy
Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness has gone to Iraq to be part of a meeting attempting reconciliation and peace making between the local Sunni and Shia populations. The DFM had this to say:
“It is quite important to drop pebbles into a pool in the hope that the waves will reach all shores and that’s what we’re doing,” he said. “That’s what we did in Helsinki 1, and Helsinki 2.
“I suppose now we’re dropping a bigger pebble in the pool by actually going ourselves physically to Baghdad to declare the politicians and others as people of courage - people who are showing leadership in a very difficult time for their country.”
Meanwhile in another conflict in which the republican movement may have had a less peaceful role in, the Colombian army has freed a number of hostages held by the FARC. The same FARC (the cocaine baron ones) as members of the republican movement may have met during one of their South American bird watching expeditions and the same FARC who subsequently quite spontaneously developed the ability to make mortars remarkably similar to IRA ones.
Despite Mr. McGuinness’s rather bizarre remarks about making waves, most people here will remember him rather better for leadership of an organisation more given to creating bomb shock waves. Still I am sure he will manage to look past the nauseating hypocrisy of himself in the role of peacemaker. After all Mr. McGuinness thinks he is “well rounded, compassionate and understanding.” What better attributes could one want in a peacemaker (I am sure he is modest as well).
Turgon @ 06:59 PM
LOL Turgon it really gets a bug under your bonnet that Marty has a higher more respected profile internationally then all the unionists combined
Posted by on Jul 04, 2008 @ 07:13 PMWhat is it the bible says about the peacemaker Turgon?
Get a grip man, spite is so yesterday.
Posted by on Jul 04, 2008 @ 07:17 PMTurgon your rant blissfully ignores the reality of the environment in which Krusty grew up in. Your obviously in the nature as opposed to nurture camp. The hisotry of the origins of the conflict in Ireland are there for all to read, and Krusty’s activities are a component part of this overall picture, which you seem unwilling to accept. As regards his attempt to bring peace to Iraq, some people believe that the coalition (of disaster) purposely stirred up sectarian hatred in Iraq, as it means less bullets spinning toward the ‘good guys’. Of course they didn’t have to import huge numbers of another ‘sect’ to achieve this. If Krusty is serious he should lend the Iraqi’s a slogan of Sinn Fein and allow them a little artistic licence....’Brits and Yanks Out’
Posted by on Jul 04, 2008 @ 07:17 PMBrits out, RS? You missed the memo. It’s changed to ‘Brits in - if we can administer their rule.’ The visit is one puppet administration lending support to another.
The only lessons that will be learned from NI and applied to terrorist groups in Iraq are already being applied by the people who taught NI those lessons: British Intelligence. The former of boss of a good portion of McGuinness and his ilk, Brigadier Gordon Kerr of the FRU/JSG and now controlling the SRR in Iraq, along with other familiar faces from military intelligence are busy apllying the same tactics they used to control the IRA.
Posted by on Jul 04, 2008 @ 07:39 PMtalking about “nauseating hypocrisy” should’nt the staff be held to the man/ball rule as well as the contributers.
Turgon should be given a yellow card for this post
Posted by on Jul 04, 2008 @ 07:40 PMHow beastly! Stinky McGuinness is getting on with his life regardless of how Turgon feels. Don’t go upsetting yourself Turgon, he’s just not worth it. Move on, get a life and with a bit of luck your real Mr Right will come along. You deserve no less.
Posted by on Jul 04, 2008 @ 07:43 PMRight Dave, if you can’t beat um, join um!
It took a long time for SF to wise up to that one. The Sunnis and Shias in Iraq have been a little quicker on the uptake.
Posted by on Jul 04, 2008 @ 07:45 PMTurgon,
Ad hominem comments are not mature. Play the ball not the man.
Posted by on Jul 04, 2008 @ 08:04 PMRepublicanStones - “Turgon your rant blissfully ignores the reality of the environment in which Krusty grew up in.”
Your own rants ignore the reality of the environment everyone else was forced to grow up in due to your friends in the Sinn Fein PIRA death squads. They also ignore the reality of the environment Protestants were forced to be part of in Eire.
To Turgon - The world indeed has been turned upside down when a self-confessed member of the SF PIRA murder gangs is sent to sort out Iraq. The terrorist who said: “If I have had the opportunity to kill every single British soldier that was on the streets of [Londonderry] I would have killed every single one of them without any difficulty whatsoever.”
If the Bogside Butcher was sorry for his own actions then it would be a start. The fact that he isn’t sends out a message of hate over hope.
Posted by on Jul 04, 2008 @ 08:04 PMIn every invasion that the US has taken part in since WWII, the narrative has been that of a civil war, with the US playing the role of peacekeepers there only to support the role of democracy. It should be noted that at this, without exception, involves democracy where a regime favourable to US economic interests takes power, and always at the cost of massive civilian death-tolls.
In Iraq, because not a single journalist has been allowed or able to see anything beyond what they are shown by the US military and government, we cannot prove beyond doubt that this is not the case. We know that the ethnic tensions have been stoked by a foreign presence dating over a century, and that the British government has, in Iraq and elsewhere, used the same tactic.
We may note that at the moment the US is trying to force through a law immunizing private security contractors from legal consequences and guaranteeing them a permanent role in the country.
Martin McGuinness is, at least, a fool for illustrating this false narrative. The DUP are guilty of the same offense.
Posted by on Jul 04, 2008 @ 08:06 PMP&J;please elaborate on the plight of protestants in Eire.
‘sends out a message of hate over hope’
just like every post you submit !
Posted by on Jul 04, 2008 @ 08:13 PMthe US is trying to force through a law immunizing private security contractors from legal consequences
Damian,
Slight correction. These “contractors” are presently immune. The US is trying to block a law that would make them accountable to Iraqi civil authorities.Posted by on Jul 04, 2008 @ 08:19 PMHang on Britain and USA went to war in Iraq to steal the oil wealth of a soverign country.
The green zone he’ll visit is no different from British political visitors visiting Crossmaglen during the conflict and giving lessons to say members of the official IRA on how to get on with the Orange order.
if that political visitor was killed by a motar while on the crossmaglen tour Sinn Fein would have claimed he was a legitimate target.Posted by on Jul 04, 2008 @ 08:27 PMIts my understanding that Paul Bremer brought in this wild west immunity during his tenure. Rather like Bush not signing up to the international war crimes treaty.
“fire for effect”
“fire at will”
“weapons free”
“oops”
“ahh well”Posted by on Jul 04, 2008 @ 08:28 PMMeanwhile in another conflict in which the republican movement may have had a less peaceful role in, the Colombian army has freed a number of hostages held by the FARC. The same FARC (the cocaine baron ones) as members of the republican movement may have met during one of their South American bird watching expeditions and the same FARC who subsequently quite spontaneously developed the ability to make mortars remarkably similar to IRA ones.
I’m just going to ask again, Mick and others: why the hell did Slugger give the keys to the posting system here over to such an unrepentant troll? Is there any of this crap that Turgon writes either (i) proven (ii) relevant in any way to Slugger’s topical debate style or (iii) even intended for engendering discussion, rather just mostly trolling?
If ‘Turgon the Wise’ wants a soapbox to pontificate, surely he can be told to go get his own blog, instead of polluting Slugger with this drivel. (I expect a Turgon post to pop up one day, espousing his theories on how Adam & Eve lived with the dinosaurs)
Posted by on Jul 04, 2008 @ 08:30 PMThey also ignore the reality of the environment Protestants were forced to be part of in Eire.
P&J;, coming rom a mixed background, I too would be entertained to discover what this ‘environment’ that Protestants were ‘forced’ to be part of in ‘Eire’ (how quaint!) was.
Perhaps you’re referring to the Guinness situation, where it was ‘no Catholics need apply’ until the Fifties...?
Posted by on Jul 04, 2008 @ 08:34 PM>>Damian,
Slight correction.<<Actually Joe it is a big correction. However despite this the overall point hits home to me, is Marty somehow playing along to the tried and tested divide and tactic?
Posted by on Jul 04, 2008 @ 08:36 PMP&J;Protestants in the northeastern part of Eire did quite handsomely for a number of years. Protestant parliament for a Protestant people wasn’t it?
I presume of course you mean the proper constitutional translation of Eire as ‘Ireland’ and not the phoney Daily Mail meaning - the mere 26 counties.
Posted by on Jul 04, 2008 @ 08:54 PMThanks Joe, I did know but failed miserably to express that. The key difference to me is that this will then be held as accountable democratically-elected Iraqi government with its own military, free from US involvement. As big a lie as you could hope to find, and we now find a ‘socialist freedom-fighter’ off lending a hand.
The question is, is he “playing along” or is he being played?
Posted by on Jul 04, 2008 @ 08:59 PMThe question is, is he “playing along” or is he being played?
Or is he being paid more like. What’s the mileage to Baghdad?
Posted by on Jul 04, 2008 @ 09:24 PMI thought Turgon’s comments were fair ,relevant and balanced.
Those who object have little or no reason to do so.
Perhaps they are embarrassed by McGuiness record as a public representative being so co operative with administrating British Rule in Ireland.
With this history he may have been recommended to the Americans by Whitehall and in turn they may use him for their own purposes and propaganda.Posted by on Jul 04, 2008 @ 10:26 PM‘with administrating British Rule in Ireland.’
Good man Ulsterfan, your sentence itself shows deep down you realise that British rule in Ireland is morally wrong.
Posted by on Jul 04, 2008 @ 10:30 PMRS
British Rule in NI is a reality and I support this fully.
The question of morality does not arise.
It is however Legitimate-----a fact of life.Posted by on Jul 04, 2008 @ 10:45 PMDamian O’Loan
joeCanuck
greenzoneEat your heart out..
‘Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.’I’ll take your anti-American tinfoil hatted ranting (as usual not supported by fact..stealing oil <cackle>) as something driven by your eye watering jealousy of the fact that we FREE Americans are celebrating 232 years of well earned FREEDOM and prosperity.
This is where you poor dhimmi bastards are headed.
Fasten your seat belts and have a nice trip.
Info forwarded to code pink. You’ll feel right at home.Roasted pig tastes good today!! Roasted pig?
Nah, to easy.Posted by on Jul 04, 2008 @ 10:50 PMEWI - “I too would be entertained to discover what this ‘environment’ that Protestants were ‘forced’ to be part of in ‘Eire’ .. was”.
Interesting choice of word (’entertained’) when talking about Protestants being ethnically cleansed from Eire.
Due to the widespread intimidation of Protestants including murder, burning of property and ethnic cleansing, a third of the Protestant population left Eire between 1911 and 1926. Protestants were forced to accept the Roman Catholic and Nationalist ethos or get out.
Even in 1983 we had the Roman Catholic Bishops say “A Catholic country and its government where there is a very considerable Catholic ethos and consensus shouldn’t feel it necessary to apologise that its legal system may sometimes be represented as offensive to minorities”.
EWI - “coming rom a mixed background”
If that is correct it simply proves what many people say about the Roman Catholic church i.e. given your sectarian posts.EWI - “If ‘Turgon the Wise’ wants a soapbox to pontificate, surely he can be told to go get his own blog, instead of polluting Slugger with this drivel.”
Oh wouldn’t it be great if you didn’t have a Protestant about the place. You could ‘talk’ to your type all day long without interruption about your hatred of Protestant Unionists - and reminisce about the ‘good’ old days when SF PIRA terrorists like the Bogside Butcher could murder and torture such people.
Posted by on Jul 04, 2008 @ 10:53 PM
