Thursday, July 27, 2006
In the propaganda war…
Fascinating site built to propagate the Israeli side in the PR war. Not least of interest is the entry to a CNN poll (which no longer appears on the front page) with only two options: vote for Israel, or not at all. It doesn’t even let you know what question you are supposed to be answering. Still, I’m sure it’s food for thought amongst our own back room politicos looking for a cunning plan. More impressive by far however is the forensic approach of some of the US bloggers, like this effort at mapping the activities of UNIFIL in South Lebanon. Thanks to Mick Hall for the heads up!
Mick Fealty @ 12:43 PM
You might like to check out this little gem from Bill Levenson on
on israpundit It might help to explain the obsessions of some of your zionist correspondents.Micheal
I had a look through the site, Micheal. There was one guy advocating napalming downtown Damascus and another who wanted a preemptive nuclear strike on both Syria and Lebanon. And they keep talking about ‘so called’ Palestinians as apes. Thanks, I feel much better now! :{
Posted by on Jul 28, 2006 @ 03:52 PMPhreddy, you started out with a lie masquerading as an opinion: That UNIFIL was in the pay of Hezbollah. Once the lie was made bare you turned things around in a clumsy way to show that the unarmed observers are getting shot to shit by Hezbollah the very people you swore UNIFIL is in league with. Now you gloat over an attack on an UNIFIL convoy.
How many rounds have you ducked, Phreddy?
This is not an intellectual exercise. These kids are not dying so you can go to troll school..
I have mentioned before that I am puzzled by the mental disconnect stereotypical Irish-Americans like you make between Ireland and Israel. In Ireland, the planters are dark black bastards out forever keep their jackbooted heels on the necks of the dispossessed while the Provies have sunshine beaming out of their asses. In Israel, however, the planter class are heroic pioneers besieged by evil, homicidal, spearchuckers that just seemed to magically pop out of the uninhabited desert floor.
I mention the disconnect with Ireland because 47 of those who died so you can gloat over the dead were from the Irish Battalion, IrishBatt.
You are a traitor to your own kin, Phreddy.Does your family know that Mr. “Second Generation” is doing shame-shame in Irish graves?
Posted by on Jul 28, 2006 @ 04:33 PMWhat we do need to know is why the Irish army still has people over there.
I’d guess the Irish Army and Government both have a better appraisal of the situation than you have, Keith. Shocking, I know.
Posted by on Jul 28, 2006 @ 10:37 PMHow is Israel supposed to take seriously when UNIFIL stood back and allowed Hizbollah to entrench, to militarize the border, acquire the plethora of rockets (what, 1500+ launched thus far), all with nary a burp or “excuse me.”
And let the IDF and their DFF cronies swan around for years, too. What’s that, no enthusiasm for the same strong action against the IDF then?
Posted by on Jul 28, 2006 @ 10:38 PMMore to this ‘conflict’ than meets the eye… In ‘Building America’s Defenses’ (2000) http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3249.htm although I think the original is still on PNAC’s website. Paper was written by the Chaney / Rumsfeld criminal syndicate. Some of the quotes are rather chilling “we need a new ‘Pearl Harbour’ tpye event to get the American People behind a war of aggression in the Middle-East.” “Saddam is not a threat, but a convient pretext for an invasion of Iraq” etc etc. This is just mearly the next stage of the Anglo-American plan. The Brits are trying to escalate the situation and were recently caught trying to deliver radioactive materials, that could be used to make a ‘dirty bomb’ to IRAN (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=397124&in_page_id=1770).
Here’s the REAL cost of the war (http://www.uruknet.info/?p=24885) and it’s only going to get worse, not just in terms of ‘colateral damage’ but also in intensity. You can be rest assured that if America and Britain get they’re way Iran and Syria will be dragged into the conflict.
PS how many of you know that Britain has offered the State of Israel a place in the Commonwealth?? An offer Israel is now seriously considering. SO if they do accept - it wont be long before you Brits will be over there fighting another BS war.
Posted by on Jul 29, 2006 @ 06:41 AMhowdy P O’Neil
any evidence for this commonwealth claim?
Posted by on Jul 29, 2006 @ 07:42 AMGiven the apparent unconditional support the Zionist fascists enjoy from George Bush, rumsfield and Uncle Tom Rice, and the US’s ability to point fingers of blame at the islamic Republic of Iran and Syria, one can only hope that Hezbollah can retain most of it military capacity. At this stage the people of Lebanon are almost united in their support for the Hezbollah, having witnessed carpet bombing in southern beruit and even part where the traditinal enemies of Hezbollah, the Christian militias reside in the north. So what does the world do. Why nothing of course,can’t upset Bush and uncle tom ‘rice’, \. Meanwhile Lebanon burns, it’s civilians are being subjected to Zionist attacks with US bombs, and it’s left to the martyrs and wariors of Hezbollah to defend the country whilst the world awaits the okay from the US to establish a ceaefire, when (if) the Zionists deem the Arab warriors incapable of engaging with Israel again. What a joke! What a tragedy! But well done to Hezbollah for making the zionists pay a heavy price for this latest invasin of Lebanon. It’s a pity the Saudis and egypt remain under the firm grip of selfish dictators. But credit must be givento iran and syria for their logistical support to the party of god.
Posted by on Jul 29, 2006 @ 07:51 AMI have searched but cannot find a better place to post this than on this thread which is a bit stale. I would have posted it yesterday but I was down at Downing Street with thousands of protestors.
Several of your correspondents asked that you include links to similar sites on the other side. Here are some links you might like to consider for inclusion.This is a British based news site which is generally sympathetic to Hamas.
The <a > Palestinian Authority </a> catalogue the daily incursions and brutalities of the IDF in the Occupied Territories.
The Hezbollah associated<a > al manar tv </a> is still on line.
The Iranian regime’s take on conflict without prior Israeli interpretation is available on <a > iribnews.</a>
Their lead yesterday was opinion survey finding that 87% of Lebanese support Hezbollah’s resistance. Justification for those of use who think that indiscriminate bombing of civilian populations does not win the ‘battle for hearts and minds’?
By the way thanks for allowing me to post the ‘All glory to the national resistance movements of Hezbollah and Hamas’ line at the end of my posts on Lebanon on an earlier thread. It was an inept attempt to mimic the statements of MP’s George Galloway and Jeremy Corbyn made at the 30,000 strong march for Lebanon in London last Saturday interestingly not picked up by the press. Galloway has since repeated something similar in <a > writing.</a>
This is a different form of words from mine but in relation to Hezbollah at least I think conveys the same idea. Stupid anti-terror laws restricting freedom of speech deserve to be challenged.
The ‘Nazi loving Irgun’ jibe I used was meant as a counter balance to one of your correspondents use of the meaningless term ‘Islamofascist’ at every opportunity.
The sources for it are <a > Leni Brenner </a> and <a > Tony Cliff </a>
‘Now Israel is collaborating with the Phalangists in Lebanon, an openly fascist organisation. I’m not surprised. I remember the 1930s when Begin’s (former Israeli prime minister) organisation, the Irgun, used the Hitler salute and wore the brown shirts.’
It was not meant to suggest that all Zionists are fascists but in my view <a > some </a> most definitely are.Posted by on Jul 29, 2006 @ 10:08 AMIsrael could join British Commonwealth
Weekend News Today
Source: MED
Mon Aug 25 , 1997—
Israel is actively considering joining the British Commonwealth, following an “unofficial approach” to its ambassador in London from the secretary-general of the 53-member organization.
The approach was made earlier this month in a meeting between Ambassador Moshe Raviv and the Commonwealth’s secretary-general, Chief Emeka Anyaoku. The move is being seen as especially significant at a time when Israeli ties with the European Union and other international bodies have been strained over the stalled Middle East peace process. A spokesman for the Commonwealth confirmed that a meeting had taken place between Chief Anyaoku and Mr Raviv, but declined to provide further details.
The approach came in the wake of a visit to London earlier this month by Yasser Arafat, during which the Palestinian Authority chief asked Commonwealth officials whether a future Palestinian state could have associate membership of the organization.
Posted by on Jul 29, 2006 @ 10:58 AMP O’Neil
Thanks for prompt service
However the fact this was 9 years ago (interestingly at a time Israel was still illegally occupying parts of Lebanon), would probably mean the idea has drifted somewhatPosted by on Jul 29, 2006 @ 12:35 PMThe offer was made around the same time as talks began on the London Agreement - which was the precursor to the Oslow Agreements 1-3.
Obviously the British have thier own agenda - ie if Israel were to join, then the British Monarchy could claim to be the legitimate King or Queen of Israel, insted of just ‘Thy People Israel’. Interesting enough, again at the same time, Prince Charles was being touted on Israeli national tv as a Davidic Heir.
Also, in the 1970s Charlie boy put forward a request to the EU to be the Monarch of Europe, at the time they laughed at him, but now the tides appear to be turning, and he now has all but the backing of the European Council of Princes. So, I guess whether we like it or not, we’re going to have an English bastard forced on us as our ‘Monarch.’
Posted by on Jul 29, 2006 @ 03:56 PMThe Green Party in Northern Ireland is calling on the leaders of the main political parties here to cancel all engagements with NIO Ministers for one week, in protest at the failure of the British Labour Party to use its influence to end the terror tactics of Israel.
Dr John Barry and Kelly Andrews, co-leaders of the Green Party in Northern Ireland said: “After many years of calling on local political parties to use their influence to end terrorism in Northern Ireland, we have the spectacle of Tony Blair and his Ministers tacitly endorsing Israel’s state terror response to Hezbollah’s rocket attacks. “The Greens deplore all terrorist attacks and have consistently supported a radical attempt to address the underlying causes of conflict in the Middle East, notably the Palestine question.
“However, we are appalled by the spectacle of the British Labour Party’s failure to name Israeli state’s disproportionate and counterproductive response, which amounts to a form of state terror.
“We call on all the main parties in Northern Ireland (SDLP, Sinn Fein, Ulster Unionists and the DUP) to cancel their engagements with British Labour Ministers for one week, in protest at their hyprocrisy. After years of calling on local parties to use their influence to end terror, the Ministers in Tony Blair’s Government have tacitly endorsed an unrelenting and criminal assault on the fragile State of Lebanon and its war weary people.
“We are calling for a one week boycott up until 8 August 2006, the date of an anti-war rally at Belfast City Hall.”
ENDS
Posted by on Jul 30, 2006 @ 03:08 PM“The Green Party in Northern Ireland is calling on the leaders of the main political parties here to cancel all engagements with NIO Ministers for one week, in protest at the failure of the British Labour Party to use its influence to end the terror tactics of Israel.”
Proving once again how out of touch with the real world, the tree huggiung anti-everything mob really are.
The fact that the Greens can’t even come near to getting an MLA elected let alone a MP, shows that the public sees them for the bandwagon hopping non-entities that they really are.
Posted by on Jul 30, 2006 @ 03:21 PMDoes this statement make the Greens legitimate targets for the Israelis?
Posted by on Jul 30, 2006 @ 03:31 PMGaribaldy; this kind of ridiculous nonsense should make them the legitimate target of anyone with two grey cells to rub together.
Posted by on Jul 30, 2006 @ 03:38 PMKeith M
In your opinion should the greens quite rightly be targetted by the Israeli’s? or Loyalists for that matter?
Posted by on Jul 30, 2006 @ 04:52 PMKeith
I don’t mean to cause personal offence, but I think you’ll find that the Green’s position on Lebanon is much more representative of the man on the street than your seemingly unconditional support for state-sanctioned war crimes.Additionally, as I believe you are on record as desiring the Irish Republic to come back into an united kingdom (open to correction) you probably aren’t in a position to criticise people for having views “out of touch with the real world” anyway!
Posted by on Jul 30, 2006 @ 08:00 PM‘How can anyone defend the bombing of a civilian population?’
MarkoBrando:
Irish Republicans have been doing it for generations. Ask them.
Posted by on Jul 30, 2006 @ 09:02 PMAndy, I believe that in 1938, Chamberlain’s position of appeasement was far more representative of the man in the street than Churchill’s policy of facing up to the fascist menance. History has proven who was right.
I have never suggested the Republic re-join the U.K., what I suggest (in the longterm fiture) is a federal republic of the isles. Until such time as nonsense such as a “united Ireland” (outside the U.K.) is finally accepted as never going to happen, it is not an idea that is likely to get widespead discussion.
Posted by on Jul 30, 2006 @ 09:06 PM‘1. Are you telling us that the UN positions were being shared with Hezbollah as collusion, you know black helicopter stuff?
2. Or, are you telling us that the bombing of the UN outpost was because the IDF targeted that outpost after receiving fire from it?’
Jim:
1. The positions are not being shared. The quote says ‘fired from the vicinity of four UN positions’. Do you know what vicinity means? Hezbollah having been doing this on a regular basis. The UN folks aren’t there to stop anybody, they are there to watch. The UN folks are tucked up in their little bunkers or posts, but aren’t going to do anything to anyone who comes close to them. Thus Hezbollah move close to UN posts and fire at the Israelis, knowing that if the Israelis fire back, there is a fair chance that the UN posts will be hit. That’s how the 4 UN guys ended up dead. The Israelis weren’t shooting at the UN post for fun. It was because there were Hezbollah units close to the UN post. Those 4 UN guys were reporting that this was what was happening.
2. Same explanation. There were Hezbollah units close to that UN post, so when the Israelis shot back at the Hezbollah units, there was a fair chance that the UN post would be hit. As Hezbollah hoped.
Now given that the UN guys recognized all of this, one has to ask why those UN guys were left out there. Why didn’t they demand to be allowed to leave? They weren’t capable of stopping anything, so of what use were they there? They were in extreme danger.
Posted by on Jul 30, 2006 @ 09:13 PM‘Just ask Harpo. And serves them right for living in the wrong neighbourhoods too, aye Harpo? Its OK to kill civilians if their neighbours might be attacking you. Stretching this point only very slightly and you can justify all the sectarian murders of the troubles Harpo’
circles:
I’m not justifying anything. But it seems pretty bleeding obvious that if Hezbollah have built a rocket fire point at the base of your apartment building that it doesn’t make much sense to stay there if the Israelis are firing at Hezbollah targets.
It doesn’t serve them right for living there, but if they adopt your attitude and stay when all hell is descending on Hezbollah targets then what can you do?
‘Its OK to kill civilians if their neighbours might be attacking you.’
I didn’t say that - those are your words. But if you are in a battle zone and your neighbours are Hezbollah - one of the sets of combatants involved - then it makes sense to get out of there if they are engaged in a battle.
‘Stretching this point only very slightly and you can justify all the sectarian murders of the troubles Harpo’
I personally don’t but many Irish Republicans have done this for decades, and still do. Bomb the Shankill fish shop? The justification comes from IRs that there were supposedly UFF guys meeting close by, so what can you expect?
In the NI case of course, the likes of the PIRA did not give proper warnings before attacking in civilian areas. They tended to deliver the weapon and then try to warn civilians. IR sympathizers will claim that the PIRA met the rules of war regarding bombardments, but they didn’t. Their attacks weren’t really bombardments anyway, and many of them weren’t even aimed at military targets anyway. In contrast the Israelis have given lots of warnings about what they were doing.
Posted by on Jul 30, 2006 @ 09:23 PM‘UNIFIL has no remit for conducting combat field operations nor are they armed for it: No artillery, no air cover, just tracks and small arms.’
Jim:
Exactly. They are neutral observers. They can;t stop anything.
So what fookin sense is there in leaving them out in the middle of a shooting war? They will only be used in such a circumstance.
We don’t need UN neutral observers to tell us that Hezbollah and the Israelis are shooting at each other. So why are they left out there, exposed?
Posted by on Jul 30, 2006 @ 09:28 PM
