Wednesday, April 23, 2008
“Hatred as an element of the struggle..”
I had previously asked, given that Gerry Adams is a fan of the middle-class would-be permanent revolutionary, whether it was still chic to worship ‘Che’ in Sinn Féin in this new ‘indigenous’ deal. The Belfast Telegraph reports that we may, or may not, find out.
A spokesman for the west Belfast MP said: “Gerry was one of a range of people interviewed for this documentary. The interview took place in London and he was asked when he first saw the iconic image of Che Guevara, what the image means to him, the impact on the conflict here and his lasting legacy 40 years on.”
The documentary, of which the interview is a part, has been made by the same Trisha Ziff who curated the exhibition at the Victoria and Albert Museum in 2006. But nevermind the image, what about the facts? [new link]
“Our mission, in the first hour, shall be to survive; later, we shall follow the perennial example of the guerrilla, carrying out armed propaganda (in the Vietnamese sense, that is, the bullets of propaganda, of the battles won or lost — but fought — against the enemy). The great lesson of the invincibility of the guerrillas taking root in the dispossessed masses. The galvanizing of the national spirit, the preparation for harder tasks, for resisting even more violent repressions. Hatred as an element of the struggle; a relentless hatred of the enemy, impelling us over and beyond the natural limitations that man is heir to and transforming him into an effective, violent, selective and cold killing machine. Our soldiers must be thus; a people without hatred cannot vanquish a brutal enemy.”
Pete Baker @ 10:49 AM
Garibaldy: “Socialist Cuba is built on a successful struggle against tyranny, followed by huge redistribution and the building of new social services that transformed the lives of the Cuban people beyond recognition. Which is how the Cubans themselves feel.”
Sure they do… which is why they climb into small rickety boats and try to cross to Miami.
Castro and Ernie broke just about as much as they fixed—Cuba was partially industrialized, with one of the highest per capita incomes in the Caribbean prior to the “struggle against tyranny.” Ernie, by his own admission, ruined the economy, limiting the benefit to the people.
Garibaldy: “My comment on hypocrisy raised the issue of whether those who encourage violence through their actions but are too cowardly to carry it out are not as culpable as those who do.”
Sure, because those personally killed by Ernie are less dead. Its a load of crap, Garibaldy—you’re grasping at straws. Yours are the same rationalizations used in the killing fields of Cambodia, the purges of the Soviet Union and the rest.
Likewise, I think you will find that Bush volunteered to transition to an active unit in ‘Nam (the interceptors he was initially trained on were not used “in country"), but let’s not let the facts get in the way of your politically reliable froth—you like as not give credence to Rather’s sad efforts.
Garibaldy: “Violence was a common response during warfare. But, and this is the difference with the likes of Pol Pot, not once the revolution had been secured.”
Ah, but it is willingness to indulge in hatred that leads to the thousands of bodies used to stabilize the socialist state in Cuba. Ernie signed thousands of death warrants in the aftermath of the “successful” revolution, by his own admission. Likewise, Ernie committed murders that did nothing to “secure the revolution,” such as killing the children of prisoners who protested his time as chief kangaroo at La Cabana.
To come back to the point, hatred is a useless luxury in war—hatred personalizes the killing and creates the likes of Ernie and his spiritual brothers, such as Beria. It is the parlor pinks who admire and rationalize the behavior of the likes of Ernie—try to tart up their killing as somehow being different from other killing. Ernie was a thug who killed his own men for not having sufficient fervor and enthusiasm for the revolution or committing minor crimes—petty theft. He admits these in his own diaries. I guess those murders would get in the way of the preferred narrative of the parlor pinks—those bodies need to remain beneath the foundations of the state.
Posted by on Apr 24, 2008 @ 03:53 AMPete
As long as it’s coherent then it will be more persuasive.
Are you suggesting I’ve been incoherent at any point? Are you also going to make any substantive points anytime soon?
Still no answers. Why that quote? What is the specific link to Adams that pulls it above any number of other quotes from the very quotable Che Guevara?
Posted by on Apr 24, 2008 @ 07:48 AMDread,
Despite the problems, the vast majority of Cubans are still glad that the revolution happened. That is indisputable.
And how do we get from me condemning people who encourage murder but don’t do it themselves to saying that this is the rationalisation for Pol Pot? Arrant nonsense, or to use your terms, a load of crap.
As for Bush, he could have at any time joined the military proper and ensured he went to Vietnam and didn’t. So you’ll forgive me for not being impressed.
As for the stuff about Che’s involvement in the revolutionary courts, or in enforcing discipline amongst his troops during a brutal civil war, I’ve already responded, but feel free to keep parroting the same thing. But perhaps you might consider whether numerically or proportionally the Cuban revolution was as violent as you like to make out by comparing it to some contemporary conflicts, or to the actions of the Latin American governments.
Posted by on Apr 24, 2008 @ 08:23 AMdread
Likewise, I think you will find that Bush volunteered to transition to an active unit in ‘Nam (the interceptors he was initially trained on were not used “in country"), but let’s not let the facts get in the way of your politically reliable frothDread if you bothered to look you would find they intentionally trained bush to fly obsolete planes just so he couldn’t be sent “in country”. Its all well planned for the champagne crew
Posted by on Apr 24, 2008 @ 09:49 AMThe winged minions of Satan can be heard flapping their black wings overhead. The hooved gallop of lucifer can be heard in the distance, paced at a steady gallop, edging ever closer. The discomfort of the irish rebel can be heard, as the black devil milk of satan is being regurgitated as a result of their over indulgence when suckling on lucifers scaly black teet.
The Protestant children of Ulster are forever under siege. We can do nothing but pray and believe that the Lord shall one day offer his most loyal children his sweet salvation. Grant us salvation Lord, Grant us your sweet salvation!!!!
May the Lord God Save our most venerable majesty, Queen Elizabeth II
Posted by on Apr 24, 2008 @ 11:02 AM
