Thursday, July 13, 2006
Governments continuing to court UDA approval..
It’s being reported that what had been billed as a meeting between Taoiseach Bertie Ahern and the UPRG will also include the leadership of the UDA - or, rather, up to four of them. It follows the report of last weekend’s secret discussion between the NIO and a go-between for the North Belfast UDA whose erstwhile leader will, presumably, not be attending today’s meeting.. being otherwise engaged.. btw how are those charges of membership of the UDA against Ihab Shoukri coming along? and are the UDA, in the words of Lord Justice Nicholson, still “notorious for criminal activity of all sorts”? I know it’s probably not even worth asking again.. but is this basis for the future really the best we can hope for?
Updated Worthwhile, I think, noting the details from the BBC’s Vincent Kearney:
However, it is now expected that up to four of the UDA’s so-called brigadiers and a number of other senior figures within the organisation will attend the talks at Castle Buildings.
“They will meet Taoiseach Bertie Ahern, Irish Foreign Affairs minister Dermot Ahern and senior government officials,” Mr Kearney said.
“Irish government sources say they will brief the delegation on the initiative to restore devolution - and will also discuss loyalist concerns about the constitutional position of Northern Ireland.
“The UDA representatives are expected to warn that talk of increased co-operation between the British and Irish governments in the affairs of Northern Ireland if the Stormont Assembly is not restored by 24 November is causing alarm in loyalist circles.”
Pete Baker @ 05:10 PM
You know, I suspect that in 40 years time, we will still be arguing about this and the Orangemen will still be marching, albeit in sweltering heat, and the rest of the world will be agonizing over “what do we do to reverse this global warming?”
Posted by on Jul 13, 2006 @ 09:39 PMWhataboutary, in 10 years time, Northern Ireland has a vibrant economy, zero unemployment, devolved govt that is astute at extracting Billions from the EU for all kinds of projects, a new generation of pragmatic politians working together for the common good.
If “Governments continuing to court UDA approval..
and “Shift in Sinn Fein engagement with PSNI
produce positive results, then today has been a good for Ireland.Posted by on Jul 13, 2006 @ 09:48 PMThe governments are courting UDA approval?
What planet do you all live on? Have the past few years taught you nothing? PSNI/RUC special branch have infiltrated both the UVF and UDA to the extent that they don’t just have agents in these organisations, they effectively run them.
If the British Government grabbed a hold of Special Branch, they could close down the UDA and UVF tomorrow.
How can the Shoukris be prosecuted for UDA membership while others meet both governments solely on the basis that they are leading members of the UDA and escape prosecution? The law is blind? Don’t make me laugh.
Like most things in this failed statelet, it’s an absolute farce and total charade.Posted by on Jul 13, 2006 @ 11:18 PMk
Like most things in this failed statelet, it’s an absolute farce and total charade.If the absolute farce and total charade being played out by both sides results in devolved power, an end to paramiltary criminality and all sides working for the common good, then that must be a good thing.
Posted by on Jul 13, 2006 @ 11:37 PMCloud cuckoo land again.
The UDA and UVF have never promised an end to paramilitary activity. They have only ever said that they will may suspend armed activity while they deem the union to be safe, i.e. if the taigs get uppity then its back to machine gunning pubs again.
It absolutely sickens me to see these sectarian, drug dealing butchers being treated as politicians in Dublin. Ahern should be ashamed of himself. Even though I disagree fundamentally with the DUP, they have a mandate and represent a section of the nation. Who do the UPRG represent? Not the loyalist people. How many UPRG councillors are there?
It seems that if you break the law, it’s only a crime if the NIO and so-called security services decide that it suits their current agenda to prosecute you. Nothing is worth this. Devolved power? What did that achieve the last time?Posted by on Jul 14, 2006 @ 01:13 AMHarpo: “Pity that it wasn’t included in the peace deal then, isn’t it? You can think that all you want, but as I see it there is no logical scenario whereby the loyalists are going to give up any weaponry. “
C’mon, Harpo—here’s a scenario—common sense, combined with a dose of law and order.
Frankly, I’d purely love to know what some folks were thinking when they gave some of these weapons to the hoods—what kind of nimrod gives another nimrod a battlefield rifle for urban work?
Besides, do you really want the recurring spectacle of Loyalist fraticidal conflicts? This year, we might even get a twofer—a UDA housecleaning AND the standard LVF/UVF feud.
Turbo Paul: “They have to be brought in from the cold, no matter how much it might disgust some of us. “
Hopefully before too many of them put themselves in the morgue.
Posted by on Jul 14, 2006 @ 04:31 AMk: “The UDA and UVF have never promised an end to paramilitary activity. They have only ever said that they will may suspend armed activity while they deem the union to be safe, i.e. if the taigs get uppity then its back to machine gunning pubs again. “
Yeah, but when we’re very very still, they tend to get bored and kill one another. Patience is not only a virtue, but a weapon… Head down and stay quiet. Let them be bored. As I said before, we may get a double spectacle this year.
K: “It absolutely sickens me to see these sectarian, drug dealing butchers being treated as politicians in Dublin. Ahern should be ashamed of himself. Even though I disagree fundamentally with the DUP, they have a mandate and represent a section of the nation. Who do the UPRG represent? Not the loyalist people.”
No, they represent the spides, the chavs—the gun-totin’ willing to kill folks… Unionism’s misbegotten bastard children, les enfants de perdue. It’d be tragic if they weren’t such idiots.
k: “It seems that if you break the law, it’s only a crime if the NIO and so-called security services decide that it suits their current agenda to prosecute you. Nothing is worth this. “
Hey, if the state is willing to let this collection of moral-retards kill one another off, what are we to do but get a pint and bucket of popcorn? That is what its going to come down to. They get bored without Taigs to shoot, so they kill one another over drug turf or graffiti or whatever the cause of the nite happens to be.
Yeah, its cynical, but what do you want from a fella named after a tentacled horror from beyond space and time?
Posted by on Jul 14, 2006 @ 04:42 AM“It’d be tragic if they weren’t such idiots”
“They” may well be; the man at the top,is undoubtedly scum, but unfortunately idiot he ain’t.
He’s winding his golf buddy’s missus rite round his little finger and also has Bertie under some kind of mesmirising spell.
Bypass the DUP and get in with the “boys at the sharp face” and while you’re at it don’t forget to start pumping some euros up into the deprived heartlands of loyalist Ulster.
And maybe we’ll think about becoming respectable entrepreneurs open up a few flower shops and put away the guns. And the Es. And the cack. And the whizz. And the smuggling. And the racketeering. And the prossie rings and....
Everyone’s (except the sourfaced oul fundos) a winner.
But course, I’m probably being unduly pessimistic.
I’m sure Mary and Bertie are too fly to fall for any such blatant tricks.
Posted by on Jul 30, 2006 @ 08:06 PMCORRUPT JUSTICE SYSTEM
RULED
BY CORRUPT GOVERNMENT?FOOD FOR THOUGHT . . .
  
Ian Paisley Jnr
(Thursday, August 10)“Setting one side against the other”
The Government is playing rival loyalist groups against each other
The DUP has said.FINALLY - THE TRUTH IS SPOKEN!
Party security spokesman Ian Paisley Jnr said that while he did not think the Government was sophisticated enough to switch feuds on and off, “they are working to that end”. “If they thought they could control it to that degree they would.”
A loyalist source said there was no way the Government would have let those supporting the Shoukri brothers win the latest UDA feud.
He said an eye must now be kept on what the Government planned to do with the south east brigade of the UDA which was “not toeing the line”.
Mr Paisley said the Government could “certainly influence” what is happening on the streets.
“In terms of their negotiations and keeping the UDA on board, the Government uses the old carrot and stick routine,” he said.
“Plus, they can lift people wherever and whenever they want. They decide who gets prosecuted and who can be resettled elsewhere.
Mr Paisley said he knew the Government was “quite happy to speak with forked tongues to all of the organisations, telling them one thing to their faces and doing something else behind their backs.”
“That is why I think no politician worth their salt can trust an NIO official. They make sure they deal with them, but deal with them very cautiously and with great scepticism.”
“Obviously, they have a political agenda of where they want and need everybody to be”
“It was clear that Andre Shoukri had to go.”
“When it suited them to have the Shoukris on the streets, they were, and when it suited them to have them off the streets, they were taken off.”
“The Shoukris are not particularly any worse than many of the other brigadiers. The media is used an awful lot by the Government. They help put people in the spotlight, help make them figures of hate – even though they may not be any worse than others.”
Would this possibly explain why Ihab Shoukri has spent approximately 3 years in prison or released on strict bail conditions and never been convicted of any charge?
Is this also why after having charges dropped for suspected UDA/UFF membership only 2 weeks later he was rearrested and charged with the exact charges which had been dropped 2 weeks previous - which he is now, yet again, being currently remanded in custody for?
How can our ’Justice System’ hold a man in custody for ‘suspected UDA/UFF’ when every week in our papers we have men admitting they are ’Brigadiers’ who actually rule these illegal organisations?
Is the Government planning to arrest all the men off the streets who ‘they believe’ to be involved in these organisations?
After reading all of the above and now discovering the truth of how our ‘Justice System / Government’ wheedle this country and its people to meet the needs of its ‘own agenda’, who can we trust for impartiality and justness?
YOU DECIDE
MAYBE THE ANSWER FOR THE VICTIMISATION AND CHARACTER DESTRUCTION OF THE SHOUKRI BROTHERS IS SO SIMPLE - ITS STARING US STRAIGHT IN THE FACE . . .WE HAVE A RACIST GOVERNMENT?
WHO WILL CONTEST FOR EQUALITY AND HONOURABLE JUSTICE; NOT ONLY FOR THESE MEN BUT FOR THOSE IN THE PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE TO COME . . . ?
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