Tuesday, May 06, 2008
Gauin tae pick a fecht
Wendy Alexander, Labour Scottish leader, seems to have announced a significant policy shift. She now wants a referendum on independence and may introduce legislation for it. However, the formal position of Labour is unclear and the other parties are somewhat bemused about the potential shift. According to YouGov (buoyed from calling the London elections right) support for independence drops significantly if the option of changes to devolution is included. Also the underlying strength of Unionist support in Scotland means they begin in the stronger position. It allows the Unionist parties to take the initiative, pick the timing and leaves the SNP being the party that does not want to let the people speak.
Fair Deal @ 08:28 PM
>>a non-productive East Germany which still thrives.<<
Lol, I’m sure I’ve came across this patter before. Sure D now that the ‘big lie’ about subsidising Jockland has been exposed, those English, quite rightly seeking to look after England first will start to look at the underpaying ludgurs.
Posted by on May 09, 2008 @ 03:26 PMPrionsa,
“Anyone would think that you believe some folk have too high an opinion of themselves.”
In a way, yes. What the people of NI choose is their own business but what grates is the way that certain individuals believe that they have the right to decide whether their country/province/statelet (delete as applicable) remains in a union until a majority decide otherwise whilst the other nations in that union have never been consulted as to whether they also wish to remain a part of that union. That to me is not a union of equals. In the next couple of years you are going to be asked (as is your sovereign right) to choose whether you wish to remain in the union. If you choose to leave then great, if you don’t then at least you have been asked, as I am sure the people of NI and Wales will eventually be asked also. What I believe is that it is a question which should be put to the people of England too.
Congal Claen,
“I am confused by your obvious interest in the rest of the British Isles when you want a sovereign Scottish “nation”. In short, your participation in this forum, which I welcome, seems at odds with your desire for independence.”
Contrary to what the unionist political establishment and their friends in the media would have you believe, if England, Scotland and Wales do achieve self-determination there will not be barbed wire fences going up north of Carlisle and the Severn Bridge will not be demolished. Life will go on much as before except that your elected reps will not intefere in my life and mine will not affect yours.
Posted by on May 09, 2008 @ 05:54 PMI hear and understand your frustration Phil. The unthinking pomposity nedds taking down a peg or two, a reality check. However I am absolutely staggered that you were able to decipher any meaning from Congal’s ramblings.
>>Life will go on much as before except that your elected reps will not intefere in my life and mine will not affect yours.<<
The English might be a few quid better off, and we all should might be wealthier without the need to fund/participate in foreign wars. Scotland will make fortunes selling water to drought stricken England(your water table cannot cope with population increases and agricultural demands) and our renewable energies might just find markets down south also. On a shared friendship level, things will just go on as before.
Posted by on May 09, 2008 @ 06:56 PM“On a shared friendship level, things will just go on as before.”
I would go further and say that they would actually improve.
Posted by on May 09, 2008 @ 08:54 PMHome and watched your link Tony - excellent - really tempted to say “thanks Wend - next Thursday OK for you?”.....what a total shambles they are.
Posted by on May 09, 2008 @ 11:39 PMIt was great entertainment, I felt guilty, kinda like watching the Christians going to the lions. The only danger seems to be complacency. Labour and Lib-Dem’s obviously have leadership problems lol! The Tories are happy to play ball because much of the legislation that passes through Parly is theirs, they will be able to point out as much at the next election.
I’ts the meeja Dewi. All of our outlets are foreign owned with interests in keeping us part of the UK. The SNP simply does not have the wherewithal to counter such brutal negative mass meeja campaigns as will inevitably come.
Posted by on May 10, 2008 @ 10:18 AMHi Prince,
“I am even more confused, surely you seek to run rings round a mere mortal like my by your superior prose.”
Superior prose? From me? That made me laugh. I take it you’re taking the piss?
“Do you know anything about the latest Wendygate laughafon? Do you support a referendum on Scottish independence?”
Yes and yes.
You then mention…
“Dodgy historical claims…”
And then…
“The east coast of England could hardly be more different genetically to the Welsh, Irish and most of Scotland and the South West of England.”Could hardly be more different? C’mon, I know you favour independence but that is just plain nonsense.
“My son is Eoghan, he gets a kick out of seeing his name. There was a prince Eoghan of Dalriada, fought and died in battle against the Germanic Angles. You know the descendants of those you give fealty to. Hold on just why are you a Unionist again?”
So, you’ve called your son an Irish name after another Irish leader. Again, does this not reinforce my point that you seem madly interested in all things Irish or dare I say it, British. As I said before I would’ve expected some Scots influence on such a decision.
“Look Congal, I get the feeling that you are looking for a clever way to to tell me to ‘get tae fuck and mind ma ain business.’”
Couldn’t be further from the truth. Genuinely, if you do think that’s what I’m implying – don’t. As I said before, I welcome you’re participation.
For the record, I think it would be a backward step if Scotland were to leave the UK. It would be the end of the UK and each “nation” would go it’s own way. I’d imagine should that happen England would never rejoin and we’d be much the poorer for that – both culturally and economically. Why would they? To listen to a bunch of moaning b*stards? An independent England would be Tory and pro business. You may think that Scotland could emulate the Republic but an Independent England would reduce corporation tax so that the “tax haven” advantages would be non existent. You’d have to compete on real business terms. England would dwarf the regions in real business terms. How then would Scotland compete? Why would companies invest in Nations on the fringes of England when they could just invest directly in a country with far better links to the rest of the world, that contains one if not the top financial centre in the world? They wouldn’t. However, by the time that was found out in this hypothetical world the cat would be outta the bag and wouldn’t be going back in. England would laughing and we’d be fekked. Still, at least we could moan about how good it used to be. Afterall, it’s what we’re best at…
Rereading that I couldn’t help thinking that I could be accused of having an inferiority complex. I don’t, it’s a reality complex.
Posted by on May 12, 2008 @ 11:28 AM“England would dwarf the regions in real business terms” True - but small European nations seem to do OK.
Luxembourg, Andorra, San Marino etc etc. Seems like a bit of a pattern.
Posted by on May 12, 2008 @ 01:30 PM>>PE - “The east coast of England could hardly be more different genetically to the Welsh, Irish and most of Scotland and the South West of England.”
Congal - Could hardly be more different? C’mon, I know you favour independence but that is just plain nonsense.<<
Congal
In the DNA studies shown in the programme I watched in the still to be concluded ‘The face of Britain’, for example in East Anglia, it worked out to be something like 90% Germanic/Danish 10% native Briton. Geordieland was something like 75% to 25% same way. Contrast with the south coast of England and Scotland who shared similar percentages the other way, in that 70 odd percent is native Briton. The south west of England has a higher percentage of native Briton. The theory being that the further west you go the more of the native British genes predominate. You know the ones that you claim makes you a Unionist.
>>So, you’ve called your son an Irish name after another Irish leader. Again, does this not reinforce my point that you seem madly interested in all things Irish or dare I say it, British. As I said before I would’ve expected some Scots influence on such a decision.<<
You presume a lot, for someone who patently knows so little. Dalriadans WERE the early Scots, so much so that the nation took it’s name from them, it was a kingdom in Scotland that spoke Gaelic. A national language of Scotland to this day. Eoghan was the son of the King of Dalriada, he died fighting against the forefathers of those you give your allegiance to today, Germanic Angles. Care to square that with your earlier stated reasons as to why you are a Unionist?
>>For the record, I think it would be a backward step if Scotland were to leave the UK.<<
For who Congal?, certainly not for Scots.
>>I’d imagine should that happen England would never rejoin and we’d be much the poorer for that – both culturally and economically. Why would they? To listen to a bunch of moaning b*stards?<<
Rejoin what? Culturally, I’m sure we would still get access to Corrie and England’s got talent, and those fish suppers won’t stop being sold in bangor or Portobello. Economically, Scotland would be much better off. And just who are the moaning bastards?
>>You may think that Scotland could emulate the Republic<<
We have far more resources that Ireland, emulating them might be a goal in the short/medium term, but long term economically we should outperform.
>>You’d have to compete on real business terms. England would dwarf the regions in real business terms. How then would Scotland compete?<<
Now you are just showing your ignorance. Scottish business has been hampered by the clearly stated fiscal policy of the Bank of England that the British economy will be run for the benefit of the south east of England. So an independent Scotland will be breaking free of the constraints already imposed.
>>Why would companies invest in Nations on the fringes of England when they could just invest directly in a country with far better links to the rest of the world, that contains one if not the top financial centre in the world?<<
Sure no companies invest in any other country apart from England at the moment, sure they don’t.
>>Rereading that I couldn’t help thinking that I could be accused of having an inferiority complex.<<
That and a terribly fawning colonial mindset. Tell me do you need an Englishman to butter your toast for you? Perhaps the girlfriend needs a real Englishman, as people like us obviously aren’t upto the job. Fuck sake! Grow up, educate yourself a bit more, and most of all grow a pair!
Posted by on May 12, 2008 @ 02:05 PMInteresting Tony Peter Preston calling for a grand Unionist coalition in Scotland....to call a referendum !!!
Posted by on May 12, 2008 @ 02:22 PMBendy Wendy’s unilateral decision last week has put paid to that idea in the medium term Dewi. Anyhow, we now know that they cannot propose any legislation that the Government has indicated that they themselves are looking to introduce. All that they are left with is an uneasy coalition come 2010, even the latest u-turn and wriggling from Labour cannot change the fact that they are committed to supporting a referendum.
Unionists of all hue’s are only now realising what the Labour strategists seemingly cottoned onto last week. The implications of a Tory government in Westminster is an aphrodisiac to the voting intentions of the otherwise unaroused Scottish voter. I cannot envisage us losing the(labour promised support) referendum in 2010 with a Tory government in Westminster. *shakes head* Yep this is really hapening!
Posted by on May 12, 2008 @ 03:00 PMHi Dewi
“Luxembourg, Andorra, San Marino etc etc. Seems like a bit of a pattern.”
Yip. Tax havens. Thanks for underlining my argument ;0)
Hi Prince,
Regarding the DNA stuff, whilst I recognise that there are differences. These are very small differences. You said they “could hardly be more different”. Yet, it’s thought that all Europeans came from 7 women. We’d be even more tight knit than that.
“You presume a lot, for someone who patently knows so little. Dalriadans WERE the early Scots, so much so that the nation took it’s name from them, it was a kingdom in Scotland that spoke Gaelic. A national language of Scotland to this day. Eoghan was the son of the King of Dalriada,”
Agreed. Although the kingdom straddled the Channel. Does that not show how intertwined we are? Considering the Scottii were originally from SW England. Interestingly, the Dalriadans also raided Wales and were forceably repelled. Yet, I’m sure you wouldn’t hold that against Dewi for instance. Cumbria as a nameplace is also derived from Welsh for “brothers in arms” or something similar (correct me if I’m wrong there Dewi) which also shows Welsh/English mixing. Why would we split when we have so much in common?
“he died fighting against the forefathers of those you give your allegiance to today, Germanic Angles. Care to square that with your earlier stated reasons as to why you are a Unionist?”
No bother, things change. Only 60 years ago we were fighting against other Germanic angles on a grand scale.
“For who Congal?, certainly not for Scots.”
IMHO, for Scotland, Wales, NI and RoI. Whereas, I believe England would propsper without the whingeing regions.
“Rejoin what? Culturally, I’m sure we would still get access to Corrie and England’s got talent, and those fish suppers won’t stop being sold in bangor or Portobello. Economically, Scotland would be much better off. And just who are the moaning bastards?”
The UK. I don’t believe Scotland would be better of. “We” are the moaning b*stards.
“We have far more resources that Ireland, emulating them might be a goal in the short/medium term, but long term economically we should outperform.”
Why would you outperform? Why would companies locate in Scotland rather than England? Is it pure coincidence that the most “English” city in Scotland is the most successful?
“Now you are just showing your ignorance. Scottish business has been hampered by the clearly stated fiscal policy of the Bank of England that the British economy will be run for the benefit of the south east of England. So an independent Scotland will be breaking free of the constraints already imposed.”
These are idle notions. What REAL reasons would make an Independent Scotland more successful? Prior to your union with England, Scotland was essentially bankrupt due to bad investments in South America. England saved Scotland. Whether they would again is debateable. I suspect not.
“That and a terribly fawning colonial mindset. Tell me do you need an Englishman to butter your toast for you? Perhaps the girlfriend needs a real Englishman, as people like us obviously aren’t upto the job. Fuck sake! Grow up, educate yourself a bit more, and most of all grow a pair!”
I don’t consider myself a colonial. I have as big a vote as any Englishman in the Westminster elections. In fact because of weighting our votes are actually bigger. Instead of the namecalling, whatabout addressing the actual issue? Why would companies locate in an independent Scotland in preference to England?
Posted by on May 12, 2008 @ 03:09 PMCongal
I’m fed up correcting your nonsense, you clearly are not able to discuss the topic of ancient Britain, such is the mish mash of your ‘facts’ and my admitted incoherence and boredom with dealing with them.
>>PE - “We have far more resources that Ireland, emulating them might be a goal in the short/medium term, but long term economically we should outperform.”
Congal - Why would you outperform?<<
Resources Congal, 1st world experience, education and resources. We have oil, gas, masses of renewable wave energy(the Pentland firth alone is huge), wind energy
>>Why would companies locate in Scotland rather than England?<<
Same reason as they locate in other countries. Market incentives, available skilled workforce, low business rates, low taxes etc. You really have a high opinion of England don’t you?
>>Is it pure coincidence that the most “English” city in Scotland is the most successful?<<
Is this more outworkings of your colonised mindset? What the fuck are you on about?
>>PE - Scottish business has been hampered by the clearly stated fiscal policy of the Bank of England that the British economy will be run for the benefit of the south east of England. So an independent Scotland will be breaking free of the constraints already imposed.”
Congal - These are idle notions.<<
God, give me strength! Again what the fuck are you on about? Pardon my frustrated French!
>>Prior to your union with England, Scotland was essentially bankrupt due to bad investments in South America. England saved Scotland. Whether they would again is debateable. I suspect not.<<
Your colonised mind at play again, England the super hero rushing in to save the day, Get help.
Your grip on history is as we know prone to fantasy, but the spin regarding the Darien fiasco defies belief. The English scuppered any chance of a viable Scottish colony in the Darien peninsula by paying the Spaniards to get their Indian allies to attack the colony. This allied to bad planning, disease, lack of English assistance by Parliamentary decree. Led to the great adventure failing, Scotland indeed bankrupted itself, and those nice English diplomats stepped in, offering to cover the debts if only we would sign on the dotted line of the Act of Union. A parcel o rouges!
Posted by on May 12, 2008 @ 03:50 PM“Yip. Tax havens. Thanks for underlining my argument ;0)”
Didn’t realise they were tax havens? Are Finland Norway, Ireland and Iceland as well?
It’s of very little relevance I fully agree but I like arguing about Ancient Britain.
Linguitic and genetic evidence points to very little mixing in the East of the island. John Davies suggests that disease brought in by the Saxon animals could have wiped out the native population. Alternatively of course ethnic cleansing. Nennius suggested that the Celts of the East had reverted to hunter gathering before the Saxon invasions which suggest an alternative pre Saxon plague like thingy.
Further West it seems more mixing occurred over time although it is sill absolutely astonishing how little word borrowing there was between Welsh and English over the centuries. Our folk memory is of mass population movement - from South Britain to Armorica (Brittany) and from “Yr Hen Ogledd” (The Old North) to Gwynedd.
Correct on Cumbria. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumbric_language
And Congal is it just me but that “Hi Dewi” thing drives me spareThinks she might be out Prince - Wilson ain’t the obvious hatchet man though ?
Posted by on May 12, 2008 @ 04:13 PMHi Prince,
Obviously you’re quite emotional about the topic but ffs calm down. If there were a referendum tomorrow I doubt you would see the result thro heart attack.
“Resources Congal, 1st world experience, education and resources. We have oil, gas, masses of renewable wave energy(the Pentland firth alone is huge), wind energy”
Lots of countries are resource rich but piss poor. You assume you’d own the oil and gas. That would have to be decided. As for your faith in renewables. Most of the countries who went big into renewables are scaling back eg Denmark and Germany. They’re windowdressing for enviromentalists. I wouldn’t pin yer hopes on them.
“Same reason as they locate in other countries. Market incentives, available skilled workforce, low business rates, low taxes etc. You really have a high opinion of England don’t you?”
Regardless of any affection for England, they have better Universities than Scotland, better research centres and the low tax advantage will ebb away as so many countries are doing it. A Tory England would match whatever tax incentives you could offer. And the big advantage of the City of London won’t go away either. So, again what REAL reasons will companies choose Scotland over England?
“hampered by fiscal policy or “breaking free” aren’t reasons. I can’t imagine Microsoft thinking “fek we must set up in Scotland as they’re breaking free”.
Posted by on May 12, 2008 @ 04:26 PMReconstructing Cumbric What a truly wonderful Geek.....
Posted by on May 12, 2008 @ 04:48 PM>>Wilson ain’t the obvious hatchet man though ?<<
Political pygmy and other lovely epithets thrown her way by Londoncentric labourites Dewi. Seems that she really upset the London apple-cart, they have kicked her arse into line...................the damage is already done though.
Congal
>>Obviously you’re quite emotional about the topic but ffs calm down. If there were a referendum tomorrow I doubt you would see the result thro heart attack.<<
No, you are quite wrong about what is getting on my wick. You are daein ma heid in with your half-arsed ‘facts’ and silly demands for answers even when an answer has been given and is staring you in the face. Your reading and or comprehension skills seem questionable eg;
>>So, again what REAL reasons will companies choose Scotland over England?<<
I refer you to my earlier answer.........Same reason as they locate in other countries. Market incentives, available skilled workforce, low business rates, low taxes etc. Scotland will be competing with a whole host of countries for inward investment, not just England, KLAR! You seem to think that there will be a one on one gladiatorial contest between England and Scotland. Tell you what.......get your toy wrestlers out, call one England(the tougher, more able handsome one obviously), the other weedy one call Scotland and let them fight it out. See if it satisfies your desire to see England vanquish the traitorous Scots.
>>PE - “Resources Congal, 1st world experience, education and resources. We have oil, gas, masses of renewable wave energy(the Pentland firth alone is huge), wind energy”
Congal - Lots of countries are resource rich but piss poor.<<
My patience wears ever thin. How many resource rich countries with first world education and experience do you know that are piss poor? Name them!
>>You assume you’d own the oil and gas. That would have to be decided<<
Decided by who? You do not have the first clue. I assume nothing regarding my nations position in taking charge over her own resources.
>> Most of the countries who went big into renewables are scaling back eg Denmark and Germany. They’re windowdressing for enviromentalists. I wouldn’t pin yer hopes on them.<<
Are they as blessed as we are in Scotland?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/1367270.stm.... A quote;
/¬He said the Pentland Firth is one of the best sites in the world to generate electricity, describing it as “the Saudi Arabia of green energy”.¬/
>>“hampered by fiscal policy or “breaking free” aren’t reasons. I can’t imagine Microsoft thinking “fek we must set up in Scotland as they’re breaking free”.<<
Like much of what you have to say, I have not a scooby what you are on about Congal. I am getting to the stage where your ra ra England nonsense starts to bore me.
Posted by on May 12, 2008 @ 06:38 PMPrionsa Eoghan,
Can I be nosy and ask if it is Eoghan as in Ewan or Eoghan as in Owen?
Posted by on May 12, 2008 @ 07:03 PMWe prefer the latter, though if someone pronounces the former that is fine.
Posted by on May 12, 2008 @ 07:07 PMNaah it’s Owain as in Owain Glyndwr
Posted by on May 12, 2008 @ 07:29 PMDewi
Ooooooooh Wayne isn’t quite as hip as Owen or Ewen/an though is it? Notwithstanding the fine man that the REAL Prince of Wales was.
That’s the problem with the Welsh, not cool enough ;¬)
Posted by on May 12, 2008 @ 09:35 PMWe are pretty cool:
http://www.coolcymru.co.uk/and don’t boast about it either - LOL :)
Posted by on May 12, 2008 @ 11:20 PMWot no Zeta Jones? A girl from the mumbles, what would I give for the fumbles.
Posted by on May 13, 2008 @ 09:24 AMHi Prince,
I have to say I was quite looking forward coming in today to read your response. You didn’t disappoint…
“No, you are quite wrong about what is getting on my wick. You are daein ma heid in with your half-arsed ‘facts’ and silly demands for answers even when an answer has been given and is staring you in the face. Your reading and or comprehension skills seem questionable eg;
>>So, again what REAL reasons will companies choose Scotland over England?<<”You’re confusing “answer” with “reason”. Should you wish to convince your fellow countrymen to embark on your journey to independence I think you’d have more takers with well laid out reasons. Questioning their intellect because they don’t agree with you won’t convert too many waivers.
“I refer you to my earlier answer.........Same reason as they locate in other countries. Market incentives, available skilled workforce, low business rates, low taxes etc.”
And again, you’ll be beaten hands down on all those by a Tory England – your biggest competitor. What market incentives will you offer that won’t be matched by England? What skills will you have that Oxford/Cambridge and the host of hi-tec spin offs in that area don’t have? Where are these world class universities? Where are the world class companies? As for low taxes, that’s the Tory position. You’re the one who said that a Tory UK government would be the very thing that’ll drive Scotland to independence! FFS, why would you go independent to adopt the very policies you’re supposed to be getting rid off? So, you’ll need to think of some other angle. I suspect you don’t have one.
“Scotland will be competing with a whole host of countries for inward investment, not just England, KLAR!”
True. However, it’s the one you need to compete with most due to geographic location. As I mentioned before the City of London is one of the top financial centres in the world. As a result of this a large proportion of EU inward investment goes to the UK. An independent Scotland would be outside of that. So why will the companies choose Scotland over England? And remember it’ll now be a tory England that will be much more pro business.
“My patience wears ever thin. How many resource rich countries with first world education and experience do you know that are piss poor? Name them!”
Lots of the former Soviet Union nations are resource rich and piss poor. Though you could argue with the education system. I think you’d be wrong. However, you could make the argument. Cuba is one of the world’s largest producers of nickel. Among its other mining resources are large deposits of iron ore and copper. Gold, silver, chromium, and cobalt are also mined. Petroleum has been produced since 1916. Cuba is the most literate country in the world.
“Decided by who? You do not have the first clue. I assume nothing regarding my nations position in taking charge over her own resources.”
There’d at least be a bit of a discussion. To assume you would just take ownership is optimistic. Maybe that would be cancelled by whatever portion of the UK national debt you then take on?
“He said the Pentland Firth is one of the best sites in the world to generate electricity, describing it as ‘the Saudi Arabia of green energy’.”
Basing energy needs on green energy is whistling in the wind. It’s too costly, inefficient and unreliable.
“Like much of what you have to say, I have not a scooby what you are on about Congal. I am getting to the stage where your ra ra England nonsense starts to bore me.”
It’s not ra, ra England – it’s ra, ra reality. Don’t confuse boredom with the inability to reason.
Posted by on May 13, 2008 @ 11:28 AM>>It’s not ra, ra England – it’s ra, ra reality. Don’t confuse boredom with the inability to reason.<<
You have an altogether too high opinion of the points you have laid out over the piece Congal.
>>What skills will you have that Oxford/Cambridge and the host of hi-tec spin offs in that area don’t have? Where are these world class universities?<<
Some of your more idiotic points in your past posts I have chosen to ignore, didn’t you realise that? Ask the Royal family where the world class Universities are in Scotland you numpty. As for hi-tec spin off’s(whatever that means) Dolly the sheep springs to mind. Scotland has always been at the front of innovation.
>>To assume you would just take ownership is optimistic. Maybe that would be cancelled by whatever portion of the UK national debt you then take on?<<
Jeezo.............the whole question of a referendum would be to have the Scottish government negotiate on Scotland’s behalf with Westminster. A fair and equitable share of resourses(and debt) will of course be part of the negotiations. What is NOT in question is that Scotland will take charge of her own resources.
>>Basing energy needs on green energy is whistling in the wind. It’s too costly, inefficient and unreliable.<<
Says you. Green energy is unavoidable in the future, unless you know where mass oil reserves are. Under your big toy box perhaps? Scotland is well placed to take advantage of this new industry no matter how much shengis you talk.
Look Congal you are quite right about banging on about how England will trump Scotland at every juncture in the upcoming WWE business tag-team smash down. “geographic location” as you say means everything, thus why in these new times of global markets, hundreds of companies are relocating to the far east ect. *SUBTLE POINT ALERT* thus you are quite correct that London, all of 300 odd miles from the Scottish central belt would be too great a distance for companies to re-locate, or chhose in the first instance. And why have we not seen a mass exodus of Companies from the Benelux countries and france, also the Celtic tiger to the Great England if they are so great?
Perhaps your analysis of why Scotland would not be able to compete is rather flawed. And ultimately hopelessly intertwined with sassenach worship. Ah well keep it up everyone loves a gimp with morris dancing shoes on.
Posted by on May 13, 2008 @ 03:26 PM
