Tuesday, July 10, 2007
From Rebels and Bandits to Criminals and Hoods
It’s no coincidence that Adams publicly met with PSNI Chief Constable Hugh Orde in Ballymurphy, known as a hotspot of the Troubles and where Adams’ Provisional career began. The symbolism of that shouldn’t escape anyone. Hot on the heels of the release of Operation Banner, the British Army’s take on how they neutralised the IRA, Conor Murphy, MP, is calling for the PSNI to crackdown on crime in Crossmaglen. It appears the choreography of Sinn Fein endorsement of the police is to pick off the symbolic areas of resistance one by one. Any wagers where next?
They sentenced me to twenty years of boredom
For trying to change the system from within
I’m coming now, I’m coming to reward them
First we take Ballymurphy, then we take Crossmaglen
Rusty Nail @ 05:38 PM
what crime in crossmaglen? I’ve been there and I felt safe.
has anyone thought of sending adams and murphy a copy of orwell’s animal farm?
Posted by on Jul 10, 2007 @ 06:33 PMDLA fraud by black taxi drivers!
Posted by on Jul 10, 2007 @ 06:36 PMWhat’s yout point RN ? Should the local MP not talk to the Police ?
Posted by on Jul 10, 2007 @ 07:17 PMYou couldn’t make up this stuff if you tried. What a sell out of Michael McVerry and the fighting men of Crossmaglen. Things get murkier and murkier. Will old man Carragher be wheeled out again to rub stamp this latest victory? What about hte old line that the peelers use crime to recruit touts? Or are the ooks full? Too many touts, too few Republicans, even in South Armagh. This is may not be the biggest sell out in Irish history. It is certainly the most blatant.
Posted by on Jul 10, 2007 @ 07:44 PMhttp://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ddWAeCpA3ts
Is that young man Carragher decommissioning SGB ?
Get what you want peacefully and without provoking violence from the other side.
Posted by on Jul 10, 2007 @ 07:49 PMSorry - this one
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Posted by on Jul 10, 2007 @ 07:50 PMSorry
Posted by on Jul 10, 2007 @ 08:01 PMIf an area is lawless, does that mean there is no crime ?
Posted by on Jul 10, 2007 @ 08:04 PMJust sitting in South Derry Lads waiting for Martin McGuinness to instruct PSNI/RUC to round up all the loacl Provos who carry out the following:-
(1). Deisel Laundering
(2). Forging
(3). Smuggling
and the list goes on!
Probably not enough cells in Maghera or Magherafelt!
Maybe the Provo police will do their own round up - AREN’T THEY DOING EVERYTHING ELSE THE BRITS ASK OF THEM!
MAYBE MR MURPHY COULD GET THE SLAB TO FINGER ALL SUSPECTS AS HE SUPPLIED MOST OF THEM!
SHAME ON THE SHINNERS - ISN’T THESE ACTS GONNA GET US A 2016 UNITED IRELAND!
Posted by on Jul 10, 2007 @ 09:02 PMDeisel Laundering
Forging
Smuggling
doing the doubleall victimless crimes which deprive Honest Tony’s (and now boring Gordon’s) war machine of funds to go bomb the f*** out of iraq.
Posted by on Jul 11, 2007 @ 01:18 AMwhat crime in crossmaglen? I’ve been there and I felt safe.
Oh that’s all right then, we’ll just tell the people of Cross not to be so silly as you felt safe when ever you visited there. Sure what would they know, they only live in the place!
Were you there last week when a man had his widscreen smashed and his head smashed in because he dared ask one of these thugs to move and let him past?
Were you there at two and three in the morning when they were joyriding around the square?
Where you at the public meeting last week when 250 residents turned up to voice their anger and disgust at the current problems with anti-social behaviour?
Where you there to hear compliants by shopkeepers and publicans who have seen their trade plummet as people are afraid to come into Cross at night?
This weeks front page of the Examiner, the local paper in South Armagh which is based in Cross, has this on it’s front page this week.
Are they just making it up as part of the whole Sinn Féin conspiracy? Before you answer you should know, you wouldn’t already as you are not from the area, that the Examiner is not a Sinn Féin friendly paper by any manner of means.
A rally has been orgainsed for this Friday at 9pm in order for local people to express their disgust at this tiny minority of thugs and to show them that their activities are unacceptable.
The same usual old shite from some people on this thread, never let the truth get in the way of an anti-Sinn Féin rant, eh boys??
Posted by on Jul 11, 2007 @ 01:47 AMHeck: “Deisel Laundering
Forging
Smuggling
doing the doubleall victimless crimes”
I suppose it falls to me to point out the obvious that these are not victimless crimes. The first 3 are in direct competition with legitimate business. I suppose a family owned garage going bankrupt doesn’t count as a victim Heck. The first is unregulated and leads to toxins everywhere. I suppose the child with cancer from playing in the polluted stream isn’t a victim either Heck.
Finally, that they all deprive the exchequer of money for the war on Iraq. Maybe they do, but they also deny money for everything else the exchequer spends money on, like hospitals, schools, the environment, social services. So, when the hospital cannot afford a bed for a patient, I guess they’re not a victim either Heck.
And just who is winning from the above illegal activities: the fat cat smuggler, and the immoral consumer. I didn’t think that you’d support such unrestrained capitalism Heck, but then that is typical of the modern left - forget any ideals if you can pretend to put the boot into Bush/Blair/Israel.
Posted by on Jul 11, 2007 @ 07:45 AMChris,
You are totally right. It’s the usual array of suspects taking anything positive by Sinn Fein and using it to lambast them.
Its laughable and totally ironic to hear Rusty Nail and others constantly talk about Sinn Fein sell-outs when one looks at the almost incredulous u-turns perpetrated by Ian Paisley and The DUP. ie ditching just about every single manifesto committment that they have made in the past decade. Where are all the lead threads on that...?
I welcome the moves by both SF and the DUP to return this society to normality and offer some sort of decent shared future. Sinn Fein are a bona fide. courageous and visionary Irish Republican Party and their commitment to the acheivement of the re-unification of this island remains unbowed and unbroken…
Posted by on Jul 11, 2007 @ 08:55 AMAs I gazed at the photograph of Gerry Adams and Hugh Orde sitting at the table together in the Whiterock Leisure centre it reminded me of a scene described by George Orwell in the last chapter of Animal Farm. I recently re-read this book and was blown away by how apt the story was in relation to the latest developments within the republican movement.
The scene was of the animals looking through the window of the farm house. Gathering around the table were the enemy humans from surrounding farms and then entered the leader of animal farm napoleon (Gerry Adams) walking upright on two legs laughing, joking and drinking with the enemy. This was a breach of the commandments/constitution agreed by the citizens of the farm. In Animal Farm with each breach came the changing of the commandments/ constitution to suit the covert agenda of their leader.
The farm began with the commandment ‘all animals are equal’, but by the end the leaders of the farm were claiming all the apples and milk and sleeping on beds inside the farm house which had been off limits not to mention doing business with the enemy. All the while their comrades who had fought in the struggle were rationing their food and sleeping in the cold damp barn.
Then came the change to the commandments, it read ‘all animals are equal but some are more equal than others’. When locally you hear all the stories of holiday homes and opulent wealth the similarities are striking.
This leads me to the question, ‘for what died the sons of RóisÃn was it greed? Was it greed that drove Wolfe Tone to a pauper’s death in a cell of cold wet stone? For what died the sons of RóisÃn was it greed?’
Posted by on Jul 11, 2007 @ 08:59 AM“For what died the sons of RóisÃn was it greed?”
Indeed - the republican survivors on one side are now in government with lots of money; and their republican opponents on the other side are now in the black economy with lots of money. Bad luck if you got killed, but at least you helped set up some damn profitable political and/or smuggling careers. Is that what republicanism was actually about all along - seems more like a cult.
Posted by on Jul 11, 2007 @ 09:15 AMDK.
You’re talking total b**llocks I’m afraid…
“Lots of money”??
Sinn Fein are the only party in The entire Assemmbly who do not accept a full wage. A large percentage of all their salaries goes back to the party. ie a clear and demonstrable commitment to their party’s idealogy and principles.
DK,
You frequently come on here and make lots of generalised points attacking anyone and everyone. The one thing that always seems to be missing though are your own actual beliefs. ie do you have the courage to state which party you support what your political idealogy is etc...etc…
It is easy to hide away on blogs like this casually lambasting anything and everything. Its a lot harder to come on here and proclaim and defend what you sincerely believe in…
Posted by on Jul 11, 2007 @ 09:23 AM“Sinn Fein are the only party in The entire Assemmbly who do not accept a full wage.”
yeah, right.
Posted by on Jul 11, 2007 @ 09:28 AM“Were you there last week when a man had his widscreen smashed and his head smashed in because he dared ask one of these thugs to move and let him past?
Were you there at two and three in the morning when they were joyriding around the square?
Where you at the public meeting last week when 250 residents turned up to voice their anger and disgust at the current problems with anti-social behaviour?
Where you there to hear compliants by shopkeepers and publicans who have seen their trade plummet as people are afraid to come into Cross at night?”
Surely this is just normal south armagh behaviour?? (Like west belfast) who gives a flying fuck as long as it stays there. The areas citizens and representatives have encouraged a disregard for law for generations-its now biting them in the arse?? hahahahahaha--
PSNI stay out let them stew ot maybe conor could organise another we bomb in his car boot to clear the square?Posted by on Jul 11, 2007 @ 09:41 AMBarnshee,
Your sectarianism is shining like one of those new 11th night beacons…
If the PSNI have perviously been so capable, how do you explain the lawlessness in The Tullycarnett’s, BAllybeen’s and Rathcooles’ of this world then...?
Posted by on Jul 11, 2007 @ 09:59 AM“I welcome the moves by both SF and the DUP to return this society to normality and offer some sort of decent shared future.”
Mmm, but surly this is pre-supposing that the north of Ireland is a normal democratic society, which as it is currently constituted it is not. Yes there may be a possibility of giving it a veneer of civilization, but that will not take away how it came into being and is maintained against the wishes of the majority on the island of Ireland.[if anyone doubt this, lets have an all Ireland ballot]
Even down there, if the police are not arresting hoods there is probably a reason for it, especially if due to the GFA the Provos are also holding back. Could it be so that the local community get so sick of these imbeciles that they demand the PSNI return to their area in force. Thus by so doing neatly slotting the agenda of the British government, the Provos politicos and the PSNI.
We should not over look the fact that the hoods are behaving like this because they can, and there is the real question for most local people I would guess, might feel there is decommissioning and decommissioning if you get my drift..
Finally I would just say this, based on my own experience with anti social elements, if the local community is looking to the police to solve their problems then sadly, they will have a long wait, especially if they do not live in a leafy suburb.
Posted by on Jul 11, 2007 @ 10:19 AMOdd- only 18 months ago I remember Adams and SF denying that there was a problem with lawlessness in republican areas in the days when people were urging SF to accept policing.
Whoops
Adams hits out at crime comments
Crime is not rampant, Gerry Adams saysThere is no “rampant crime” in nationalist or republican communities, Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams has said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4572294.stm
So, was Gerry telling lies ?
Posted by on Jul 11, 2007 @ 10:20 AMProbably because the RUC were getting bombed and delimbed and shot after surrendering by the people Gerry and Conor made their fortunes on. Grizzly’s holiday home is worth over $1.5 mill. Spare us the industrial wage crap. Better people than him are being sentenced at The Hague.
Posted by on Jul 11, 2007 @ 10:20 AMmac re- “Sinn Fein are a bona fide. courageous and visionary Irish Republican Party”
Maybe up north but in Dublin the criminal assets bureau have stung some of their most high profile members.
They were conveniently ex-members at the time of the sting but accumulated the loot whilst paid up SF members.
I am not trying to deliberately get under your skin and believe you are sincere in your regard but different traits attach to this party in different geographical areas…
Posted by on Jul 11, 2007 @ 10:21 AM“Maybe up north but in Dublin the criminal assets bureau have stung some of their most high profile members.
They were conveniently ex-members at the time of the sting but accumulated the loot whilst paid up SF members.”
CTN - it’s interesting that they mirror the Workers party so closely.
Posted by on Jul 11, 2007 @ 10:30 AMWhat about ye Cru?
Indeed they would be almost identical if the WP had not broken away first and we had no previous comparator.
The one difference however Sf’s lack of a universal hard left policy.
Some SFer’s are more conservative than others whilst the stickies were universally communist.
This weakness will test SF very much in the short, medium and long term.
Posted by on Jul 11, 2007 @ 10:51 AM
