Monday, August 13, 2007
From one extreme to the other…
ALTHOUGH some gay people think Jesus was a fag, some Christians think that God hates fags. Indeed, this particular group - the most hated family in America - thinks God hates Ireland, as it treats gay people like anyone else. That’s a lot of hate in one blog entry. No wonder the haters are hating the thought of coming to Dublin.
Belfast Gonzo @ 10:59 PM
Dear Lord - gobsmacked at that blog.
Posted by on Aug 13, 2007 @ 11:45 PMDon’t give them any more publicity than they’ve already managed to achieve.
God hates Ireland, indeed..
*sheesh*
Posted by on Aug 13, 2007 @ 11:45 PMPete
The Irish News carried it yesterday morning. Should’ve credited it.
Firebran US preacher blasts Ireland’s equality
By John ManleyA controversial American preacher famed for his outspoken views on homosexuality has launched a website lambasting Ireland for its equality laws.
The anti-gay tirade is featured on godhatesireland.com – the latest platform of the Rev Fred Phelps, head of the Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas.
The firebrand preacher, who earlier this year featured in a BBC documentary made by Louis Theroux, claims Ireland is now “the Emerald Isle of the sodomite damned” after the Dublin government adopted EU legislation which outlaws discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation.
The website claims the laws are a “draconian, antichristic cup of Satan’s slimy vomit straight from the maw of hell”.
Gay rights campaigner and Irish senator David Norris comes in for particular criticism on the website.
Mr Phelps also claims he has been invited to Ireland by University College Dublin’s Literary and Historical Society to speak next February on the subject of gay adoption.Despite branding some of the society’s members “leaders in the Irish homosexual community” who he alleges are responsible for decriminalising sodomy in Ireland, the anti-gay preacher says he will accept the invitation.
However, Mr Phelps believes the invitation is just a ruse and that he will be arrested in Ireland and charged with inciting hatred. He has therefore asked the university society to provide written guarantees from the taoiseach and President Mary McAleese that he will not be prosecuted.
“They know exactly what I will say on the subject of gay adoption and they know that what I will say from the bible about sodomites will land me in an Irish jail for two and maybe 10 years,” he writes on the website.
Nobody from UCD’s Literary and Historical Society was available for comment yesterday.
Mr Phelps’s other websites include godhatesfags.com and godhatessweden.com, which attack the US and Swedish governments for their liberal attitude to homosexuality.
Mr Phelps’s church followers, the majority of whom are members of his extended family, regularly stage pickets at military funerals, gay pride gatherings, and political gatherings, arguing it is their sacred duty to warn others of God’s anger.
Mr Phelps believes the 9/11 attacks were a form of divine retribution and he refers to the US as a “sodomite nation of flag-worshipping idolators”.
In his home country, the controversial preacher is protected by the US Constitution’s First Amendment, which permits freedom of expression.
Bizarre people!
Posted by on Aug 13, 2007 @ 11:51 PMAnd he couldn’t even get the tricolour the right way around on the GodhatesIreland.com logo. Still, with “Christian” advocates like him, the atheism/theism debate looks to be pretty well sewn up....
Posted by on Aug 13, 2007 @ 11:53 PMI’m wondering why you think that adds to the discussion, Gonzo.
Posted by on Aug 13, 2007 @ 11:53 PMPete
Because a lot of the time people can’t be arsed clicking on every link in a blog entry, and the Irish News story kinda sums the story up in a nutshell.
Posted by on Aug 14, 2007 @ 12:00 AMAh.. so your response wasn’t actually addressed to me, then..
[off snark]
On topic.
Why should I care what a homophobic bunch of super-naturalists think?
Posted by on Aug 14, 2007 @ 12:05 AMPete
I didn’t think you would care, to be honest, but it’s the flip side of the coin to the thread on the Gay Pride placard, which I closed and redirected to this one.
Posted by on Aug 14, 2007 @ 12:10 AMSo it’s not an attempt to get George apoplectic Gonzo ? ;)
Posted by on Aug 14, 2007 @ 12:13 AMCruimh
Heh!
No, I just wanted to see if those who defended free speech/expression in the last thread could defend the right to attack homosexuality on this one. Or whether the Christians on the last thread thought this particular church was right. Or whether there would be some smart-ass comments about my motives(!)…
You get the drift… What’s the point of a blog that doesn’t provoke debate?
Posted by on Aug 14, 2007 @ 12:21 AMAssuming that you don’t care..
“which I closed and redirected to this one”
For example…
“If they don’t change their minds then there are other options.”
Posted by on Aug 14, 2007 @ 12:27 AM“You get the drift… What’s the point of a blog that doesn’t provoke debate? “
Indeed - the Phelps are mind-blowingly awful - I saw a documentary about them a few weeks ago.
Best bit was when the moralising matriarch introduced her nephew - and had to admit that he was in fact her illegitimate son. Things got a mite heated - especially when the reporter asked her if it meant she was going to Hell :)
The girls are pretty though - is Phelps a Ceredigion name Dewi ?Posted by on Aug 14, 2007 @ 12:30 AMGonzo,
Free speech is not the same thing as incitement to hatred. That’s why we have laws against it.
Anyhow it’s immaterial. Mr Phelps will be laughed at. Ireland ain’t the Bible Belt.
Posted by on Aug 14, 2007 @ 12:30 AMThe Irish Trivolour is deliberately the wrong way round as an insult. If you tracked these people, you would see they do it all the time with the Stars and Stripes. The fact that htey were dancing on the sacred Irish flag should have been an indicator but no, too qwuick to go into print to defend sodomites as progressives.
The Phelps arem ostly very successful lawyers btw. Just like TDs.
Fred Phelps got it right with the L&H;trying to entrap him but wrong with the fag enablers who were TCD not UCD.
For the goons who are using Phelps to attack Christianity, Jerry Falwell and his ilk are on record as saying Phelps is a nut case.
Phelps opposes the Iraq war, something Adams’ mate King doesn ot.
Belfast Gonzo, please think a minute before oyur next feel good tirade. People like you are Phelps enablers.Posted by on Aug 14, 2007 @ 12:40 AMThis is old news. Will Crawley’s blog carried the entire story last week and his Sunday morning programme covered it this past weekend. Nice of the Irish News to listen in and then not credit the show with the story! The programme had a guest journalist who had met Phelps and regard him as simply insane. I hadn’t realised that Phelps is a Democrat and has even stood for office in his town and state.
Posted by on Aug 14, 2007 @ 12:44 AM“The Irish Trivolour is deliberately the wrong way round as an insult.”
Oh. Well that cut me to the quick.
“but no, too qwuick to go into print to defend sodomites as progressives.”
Not necessarily progressives, just humans, with as much right not to be demonised and insulted as anyone else.
Posted by on Aug 14, 2007 @ 12:55 AMBah, missed on Crawley’s blog, which is quite good I have to say.
Posted by on Aug 14, 2007 @ 01:02 AMStill, it’s an improvement on Riverdance!
OĂche mhaith :)
Posted by on Aug 14, 2007 @ 01:05 AMwith those views phelps will be in line for first minister of Norn Iron.
Posted by on Aug 14, 2007 @ 01:49 AMYeah, they came and protested outside my church. The rector just told us all to exit through the doors on the opposite side of the church as they were looking for confrontations and we weren’t going to go along with their plan.
Posted by on Aug 14, 2007 @ 02:29 AMWhy don’t the Provos send some goons to sort these ones out for insulting our flag? But then the Provos are fag enablers. Witness McGuinness having Free Derry corner pinkified. “The people’s flag is palest pink...”
I wonder how many other Provos are fag enablers. Phelps has them well marked. The Troubles were all aobut getting a boner.Posted by on Aug 14, 2007 @ 04:19 AMWhat confuses me about this is why did UCD invite the famously insane/reculisve Pastor Phelps to attend their discussion on Gay adoption?
Phelps views are considered horrendous even by the religious right in America, he is almost a living parody of the anti-gay sentiment that exists within many conservative churches in America. Why did UCD want this man to talk about Gay Adoption? Maybe it was a hope that his ridiculously anti-gay views would eclipise the particular scope of the topic and would result in a homophobic rant that would discredit the entire opposition to gay adoption… after all there are several oppenents to this idea that can express their opinoins more eloquently and with greater aplomb than Pastor “Cause God hates Gays!” Phelps.
Just to make it clear I’m in favour of gay adoption. I think it’s just my years living in America that has made me sceptical of any public organisation that actually communicates with the Phelps… even FOX won’t talk to them anymore!
FOX!
Posted by on Aug 14, 2007 @ 06:37 AMOn another discussion forum I’m an active member at we’ve tangled more than once with Phred Phelps and his cult. The man is pure poison. There isn’t an ounce of goodness in him and he’s one of the few people in this world I wish a long and agonising death to.
He pickets the funerals of anyone he can get near and even turned on his fellow fundie Jerry Falwell and IIRC protested at his funeral. He basically owns the domain names of “God Hates” and then adds whatever is pissing him off that perticular week, most notably God Hates Sweden saying that the Asian Tsunami of a few years ago was God out to get the few dozen swedes that died. The guy is a wack job.
Posted by on Aug 14, 2007 @ 07:47 AMProtorius,
“Maybe it was a hope that his ridiculously anti-gay views would eclipse the particular scope of the topic and would result in a homophobic rant that would discredit the entire opposition to gay adoption...”
I believe you got it in one.
While studying at length (for research purposes you understand) the hottie hunkering in the background, I noted her tattoo. And I remembered Larry David’s hilarious episode entitled The Special Section.
Seems the cemetery won’t allow Larry’s momma to be buried in the main section. She has a tattoo on her bum, you see, and according to Leviticus 19:28,
“Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I [am] the Lord.”
Ergo, the Ms Phelps pictured can’t be a true Christian. Shame on her!
Posted by on Aug 14, 2007 @ 08:34 AMJeez Dawkins, don’t mention that chapter of the bible or a certain troll will turn up.
Posted by on Aug 14, 2007 @ 09:21 AM
