Tuesday, April 04, 2006
Donaldson reportedly “shot dead” in Donegal
Ireland Online are reporting that the former Sinn Féin staff member, and long-term informant, Denis Donaldson “has been shot dead”, but have very few details other than that. But given his most recent, dishevelled, appearance in the media it would be impossible, at this point, to rule out the possibility that he took his own life. And where does this leave the assessment of the public interest in the Stormont spy-ring case? Update BBC are reporting that Taoiseach Bertie Ahern has described it as a brutal murder - RTÉ report here. While Secretary of State Peter Hain is quoted as “completely appalled by this barbaric act.”
Pete Baker @ 03:27 PM
Pheader O Baoill: “Of course it was PIRA! “
Jim: “Red Hand of Ulster.. “
Pheader O Baoill: “That is in bad taste and out of order. You should be barred from the site for that comment. “
Sounds like someone can dish, but not take…Seeing the dearth of hard information, at this point, any guess is just that: a guess.
Posted by on Apr 04, 2006 @ 06:03 PMPIRA as an organisation does have nothing to gain by killing him, in fact they would have more to gain by keeping him alive to prove their new stance. MI5 could be responsible but to do this so close to the meetings next week, it seems unlikely. Dissidents who have the stated objective of continuing the fight they have everthing to gain as posts on this site show.
Posted by on Apr 04, 2006 @ 06:05 PMBrenda—at this early date, all we can do is guess… and based on the facts thus far, its as valid (or, arguably, invalid) theory as any. All we know is he is dead and probably mutilated. After that, its all conjecture, theory and wild guesses.
Posted by on Apr 04, 2006 @ 06:07 PMAnyone wonder who told the Sunday World?
Posted by on Apr 04, 2006 @ 06:08 PMThen again, south Armagh might have been let temporarily off the leash to appease them over Slab. Or maybe just broke the leash themselves
Great work Sherlock!
The evidence you have for implicating South Armagh is what?
Posted by on Apr 04, 2006 @ 06:08 PMI agree with Flying Dutchman-Dissidents or Loyalists who’d like it to look like the IRA’s responsible, did this.
Posted by on Apr 04, 2006 @ 06:09 PMDread C. True, but it’s very unlikely he was living as he was with a loft full of fivers. How would they get to his money if he is dead, impersonate him at the bank.
Not likely Dread C.
Posted by on Apr 04, 2006 @ 06:09 PMIt appears to me that if he was tortured before death this would most likely preclude loyalists plus they would probably be already in the hands of the garda given their history of operations. having said that so much has happened and been revealed about what has happened over “the troubles” nothing would surprise me.
Posted by on Apr 04, 2006 @ 06:12 PMAll the statements about ‘other’ senior SF or IRA or SF/IRA members being agents may tie up with the reported torture of DD. Why else would someone torture but to obtain information. The troubles have thrown up plenty over the years but never coded messages.
Can we deduce that if he was tortured for information that it was obtained and what the consquences of that would be…
Posted by on Apr 04, 2006 @ 06:13 PMBB: “Dread C. True, but it’s very unlikely he was living as he was with a loft full of fivers. How would they get to his money if he is dead, impersonate him at the bank.
Not likely Dread C. “
Actually, I can think of a couple of ways… and, yes, impersonate him at the bank is an option… or haven’t you heard of an ATM? Likewise, guys who want to stay out of the way usually have a fair bit of hard currency and don’t keep all of it on themselves.
As for likelihood, given the facts we have, its as likely an explanation as any other haphazardly tossed out there—unionists scream “PIRA,” nationalists scream “securocrats.”
All I am saying is let’s see what actually turns up… or is your faith in the PSNI and the NIO that faint?
Posted by on Apr 04, 2006 @ 06:19 PMsuggesting the brits did it?
what nonsense—what would you suggest next—the brits killing lawyers?
The MI5 suggestion is as valid as any other, they have form, and if donaldson could embarras them over the fall of the GFA then they have motive.
maybe rouge intelligence operatives. Any comments MI?
Posted by on Apr 04, 2006 @ 06:20 PMIf tortured I’d say it was for information, BUT, what if he was tortured b/c his killers just hated him and wanted him to physically suffer before he died.
Posted by on Apr 04, 2006 @ 06:21 PMAdams knew
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Posted by on Apr 04, 2006 @ 06:21 PMIf it smells like gangster symbolism,that what it is.Has all the hallmarks of “Fredo’s” treatment by Michael Corleone in the Godfather - the timely wait,the isolating,the guoulish severed hand symbolism a warning to others reflecting the “sleeps with the fishes” message.All said- worthy of note is the fact that this dispicable act comes but a few days after another mole leaked the SF/IRA masterplan for destabilsing the island - time for a warning to the others!!!This makes the most sense.
Posted by on Apr 04, 2006 @ 06:22 PMGlen Taisie : “Adams knew.”
And this is based on?
Posted by on Apr 04, 2006 @ 06:24 PMDread C this has nothing to do with my faith in anybody at all. You claimed in an earlier post that you’d applied rationality to the argument. All I am saying is this is not really a rational argument, to say a spy for twenty years was killed for his loot, by having his arm severed off, and tortured!!
Most likely he was killed for what he knew and what he had done,no one in the media is speculating that he was killed for the loot.
ATM machines willonly let you remove so much each day, to get any sort of real money out they’d have to impersonate him at the bank which is hardly likely since it’s all over the media he is dead.
Hence the rationality of the argument that he was killed for his money is not a lot of other peoples rationality being reported in the media. Or have I missed something?
Posted by on Apr 04, 2006 @ 06:25 PMChris Gaskin
“Great work Sherlock!The evidence you have for implicating South Armagh is what?”
The same amount of evidence - and as much right -as everyone else who is speculating on this site, Dr Watson.
What’s wrong, did that one hit too close to home?
After all, they did hammer Murphy’s brother the other week. So there has been a bit of rumbling in that jungle - and jungle it is.
I still think, on balance, it’s most likely to have been dissidents. But certainly wouldn’t rule out south Armagh given their history of brutality.Posted by on Apr 04, 2006 @ 06:25 PMDC-
Since Donegal is in the Republic and the case is being handled by the Garda my resultant ‘faith in the PSNI and NIO’ would logically be zero.
Posted by on Apr 04, 2006 @ 06:28 PM“... they’d have to impersonate him at the bank which is hardly likely since it’s all over the media he is dead.”
Yes, I had to laugh at that one myself.
Posted by on Apr 04, 2006 @ 06:29 PMUlster Scot: “If it smells like gangster symbolism,that what it is.Has all the hallmarks of “Fredo’s” treatment by Michael Corleone in the Godfather - the timely wait,the isolating,the guoulish (sic) severed hand symbolism a warning to others reflecting the “sleeps with the fishes” message.”
And the “Red Hand of Ulster” isn’t a more fitting bit of symbolism? Likewise, “sleeping with the fishes’ usually involves, gee—a FISH, maybe??? It does not involve a body left for the world to see, complete with political fallout.
Ulster Scot: “All said- worthy of note is the fact that this dispicable (sic) act comes but a few days after another mole leaked the SF/IRA masterplan for destabilsing (sic) the island - time for a warning to the others!!!This makes the most sense. “
Oh, yes… the “recruit bright young ambitious people with connections plan.” Second only to the “get more votes than the other git” conspiracy.
Posted by on Apr 04, 2006 @ 06:29 PMjoinedup, I thought the nutting squads of SA were too heavily infiltrated and had to go out of business to pull this off now?
Posted by on Apr 04, 2006 @ 06:30 PMSince Donegal is in the Republic and the case is being handled by the Garda my resultant ‘faith in the PSNI and NIO’ would logically be zero.
Really—and who gets to sort out the implications in Ulster? The Garda?
Posted by on Apr 04, 2006 @ 06:32 PMWhat’s wrong, did that one hit too close to home?
Not really, I thought you had some great insight or analysis to support your absurd claim but I see from your post that you do not.
After all, they did hammer Murphy’s brother the other week
No, no I think you are confusing reality and your imagination again.
So there has been a bit of rumbling in that jungle - and jungle it is.
What “rumbling” has there been exactly?
But certainly wouldn’t rule out south Armagh given their history of brutality.
So if a Brit soldier is killed in Iraq you would not rule out South Armagh involvement “given their history of brutality”?
Great work, keep it up ;)
Posted by on Apr 04, 2006 @ 06:33 PM‘so if a brit soldier is killed in Iraq you would nt rule out SA involvement given their history of brutality;’
Didn’t K Fulton develop the bombs there (SA) to kill people here and now they are being used in Iraq?
Maybe he is not so far off the mark
Posted by on Apr 04, 2006 @ 06:37 PMDC- Donegal is in Ulster. Obviously, the PSNI would handle any implications for the six counties of Ulster under the auspices of the UK.
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