Tuesday, November 13, 2007
Daily Ireland court action runs into the ground…
According to Mairtin, the former Minister of Justice is the one which got away… Just remember, repeating a libel is no defence in court…
Slugger O'Toole Admin @ 03:14 PM
Despite having googled it, I’m still not 100% clear as to what the “Pinochet Defence” is.
Is it that ”a head of state is not subject to civil or criminal process and cannot be sued or prosecuted for criminal acts committed while “acting in his public capacity”?
If so, is that widely accepted by national or international courts?Posted by on Nov 13, 2007 @ 03:32 PMIsn’t it great how an attack on the free press by McDowell gains cheerleaders on Slugger O’Toole? It makes me feel all warm that all those principles are held so steadfastly - except when there’s an opportunity to get a jackboot into a newspaper from ‘the wrong side of the tracks’.
Posted by on Nov 13, 2007 @ 03:45 PMOilibhear,
What are you saying exactly? You’d rather we just ignored it?
Posted by on Nov 13, 2007 @ 03:52 PMThere was nothing “free” about the Daily Ireland, the society that let it publish such one sided sh*te was though.
Posted by on Nov 13, 2007 @ 03:53 PMThe attacks on Daily Ireland from the likes of McDowell and some of those on this site who claim to be champions of the free press were the worst example I can think of fascism in Ireland in recent years.
Whether it was shite or not is one thing. The thing about McDowell’s attack on DI was that it actually came before the newspaper was published at all. Pure prejudice.
I have no doubt we will have more of the same from the ‘friends of the free press’ on this thread. Just remember, you’re on the same side as McDowell, Pinochet and co.
Posted by on Nov 13, 2007 @ 04:05 PMMore hysterical shrieking. Who would have thunk it?
Preconceptions about the Daily Ireland were soon proved to be correct as I recall.
Posted by on Nov 13, 2007 @ 04:17 PMI found the “… we will continue to speak truth to power ...” line hilarious.
Sure you will, Marty, sure you will.
Haven’t noticed you speaking truth too often to, or about, the overbearing, major power in the nationalist areas you claim to serve.
Must have missed that one!
Posted by on Nov 13, 2007 @ 04:20 PMhmmm
McDowell wins court case by using legitimate and well known legal defence… and it’s his fault that he won…
what’s he supposed to do- instruct his lawyers not to rely on an available defence so’s Marty’s briefs can get stuck in?Posted by on Nov 13, 2007 @ 04:23 PMPenguin,
Squinter was pretty clear speaking truth to power this week:
Posted by on Nov 13, 2007 @ 04:38 PMOIL,
“The attacks on Daily Ireland from the likes of McDowell and some of those on this site who claim to be champions of the free press were the worst example I can think of fascism in Ireland in recent years.”
By f*cking Christ I’ve read it all now!
“worst example I can think of fascism in Ireland in recent years.”
Youre obviously not thinking too hard then are you?
Posted by on Nov 13, 2007 @ 04:53 PMYou don’t have to think too hard, Cromwell, when the level of debate is such as I’ve seen in the past ten posts. No substantive point has been made by the Daily Ireland knockers. Not one.
Anyone care to tell me why it was right of McDowell to brand Daily Ireland as a ‘nazi rag’ BEFORE it was published. Did that particular accusation stand up - not likely. It had its faults as a newspaper, sure enough, but being a ‘cheerleader’ for any particular party wasn’t one of them.
If one want’s to read a party sheet these days, all you have to do is pick up the Newsletter which is to the DUP what the Völkischer Beobachter was to the .....
Posted by on Nov 13, 2007 @ 05:02 PM“The attacks on Daily Ireland from the likes of McDowell and some of those on this site who claim to be champions of the free press were the worst example I can think of fascism in Ireland in recent years.”
A Free Press is one thing, but what about free thought?
Just because some arsehole has the right to espouse utter bullshit doesn’t mean everyone has to agree with it, or that someone else doesn’t have the right to point out that it is, indeed, bullshit.
A truly free press is not one that goes unquestioned.
Posted by on Nov 13, 2007 @ 05:02 PMWhat McDowell said was the political equivalent of book-burning. Same goes for those who support him.
Posted by on Nov 13, 2007 @ 05:07 PMAre ‘Cromwell’ and ‘Oilibhear Cromail’ related?
Posted by on Nov 13, 2007 @ 05:12 PMOILibhear
“The attacks on Daily Ireland from the likes of McDowell and some of those on this site who claim to be champions of the free press were the worst example I can think of fascism in Ireland in recent years.”
Worse than murdering people because of their political belief? (You know, people like Edgar Graham, Robert Bradford, Ian Gow).
Worse than trying to achieve your political goals through violence, including mass murder?
Worse than a political party allied to a campaign of violence, having declared that its ‘movement’ would use both the political process and violence in its quest for power?
Posted by on Nov 13, 2007 @ 05:21 PMDaily Ireland was free to publish, McDowell was free to give his view of it, a view shared by many, many other people.
Get over it!
Posted by on Nov 13, 2007 @ 05:24 PMMike’s contribution is typical of the one eyed sniping being indulged in by those described as so aptly by Lib2016 as ‘bookburners’. Daily Ireland was a ‘pro peace process’ newspaper, something which couldn’t be said about other publications. It eschewed all violence, including state violence and state supported violence...something which is more than can be said for some publications printed in the north and in the UK,
So if you want to get into a what aboutery debate, Mike, you’d better get ready.... Daily Ireland had nothing to do with any of the incidents you mention as it only came into being in 2005. So but don’t let that bog you down....
Posted by on Nov 13, 2007 @ 05:41 PMOC: “The attacks on Daily Ireland from the likes of McDowell and some of those on this site who claim to be champions of the free press were the worst example I can think of fascism in Ireland in recent years.”
That’s perhaps the most egregious (to borrow Marty’s word du jour) post I’ve read on this site in recent years.
One more thing - Marty’s little dig about the people of Ireland having rejected McDowell might be slightly more credible if the very same people of Ireland hadn’t rejected his Really Direland project with at least equal vigour…
Posted by on Nov 13, 2007 @ 05:44 PM“You don’t have to think too hard, Cromwell, when the level of debate is such as I’ve seen in the past ten posts. No substantive point has been made by the Daily Ireland knockers. Not one.”
I dont need to be substantive, I made the mistake of reading the rag.....once.
It didnt sell because it was full of pish, end of.
For Martian to go gurning to the courts because he didnt get hand-outs from the British state he detested so much was frankly ridiculous.
To hear him on the radio complaining about discrimination against Roman Catholics & then in virtually the same breath admitting that out of a workforce of approx. 90-odd people he had 2 prods(I still didnt even believe him about that either) was frankly ridiculous in the extreme.
I have never heard anyone in my life who is more arrogant whilst being so full of sh*te.
Well, I probably have, but it seems to be a day for hyperbole after all, read this again;“The attacks on Daily Ireland from the likes of McDowell and some of those on this site who claim to be champions of the free press were the worst example I can think of fascism in Ireland in recent years.”
Absolute pish. But, better still;
“What McDowell said was the political equivalent of book-burning. Same goes for those who support him”
Now that Lib is just a load of oul ballicks.
Posted by on Nov 13, 2007 @ 05:54 PMOILbhear -
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Mike’s contribution is typical of the one eyed sniping being indulged in by those described as so aptly by Lib2016 as ‘bookburners’. Daily Ireland was a ‘pro peace process’ newspaper, something which couldn’t be said about other publications. It eschewed all violence, including state violence and state supported violence...something which is more than can be said for some publications printed in the north and in the UK,So if you want to get into a what aboutery debate, Mike, you’d better get ready.... Daily Ireland had nothing to do with any of the incidents you mention as it only came into being in 2005. So but don’t let that bog you down....
--------------------Deary me, OILibhear, you really should learn to read other people’s posts better, shouldn’t you.
You said that “the attacks on Daily Ireland...were the worst example I can think of fascism in Ireland in recent years”.
I asked you if they were worse then some examples of, let’s say, violent political extremism.
I don’t recall saying these involved Daily Ireland.
Simply challenging your hyperbole.
Do keep up.
Posted by on Nov 13, 2007 @ 06:07 PMI’m not sure what the Pinocet defense is but if it has anything to do with that murderous thug then McDowell is welcome to it and in poor company at that.
As to the DI being on a par with a Nazi rag, come on, that is preposterous and about as libelous as one can get, and for all its faults as a daily paper DI was definitely not a nazi rag, get things into perspective, if you doubt this read the back copies of Hitler’s rag.
Daily Ireland was a paper I welcomed on the scene and I was sorry to see it go. However it went under because it was a poor paper, not fish nor fowl. It opposed the British State in Ireland yet looked to that State to provide it with funds. It claimed to be independent from SF but read like AP/RN on a bad day. Bar Tommy M and Danny M its columnists were nice middle class guys who had come over to the shinners after the GFA. Nothing wrong with that in itself but it showed it was muddled as to its target readers.
Tt claimed it was all Ireland but was based in Belfast and by doing so it was never going to attract an all Ireland readership due to its regionalism.
Having said all this its very existence was a step forward in that DI claimed, as of right a space in the market for an Irish republican paper. I hope some time in the future some brave soul makes another attempt to win a mass audience for a republican daily.
Posted by on Nov 13, 2007 @ 06:35 PMBest thing about the DI was its soduko - it was an absolute killer. I don’t think I ever finished one and I usually clear 3 a day from all the other papers....
Posted by on Nov 13, 2007 @ 10:14 PMOilbhear, there’s a pretty sure fire indicator that it was a crap paper - nobody bought it, and therefore it sunk. That’s what happens when your business plan is based on an weird shotgun marriage between a stupid ideology and reliance on the British exchequer’s advertising.
Posted by on Nov 13, 2007 @ 10:31 PM‘It had its faults as a newspaper, sure enough, but being a ‘cheerleader’ for any particular party wasn’t one of them.’
and with that OC you lose your credibility.
Posted by on Nov 13, 2007 @ 11:24 PM“No substantive point has been made by the Daily Ireland knockers”
OK ...lets try this one....it was crap and no one bought it so it went bust. Even the most devoted Shinner could only read so much of that garbage.
Posted by on Nov 14, 2007 @ 12:28 AM
