Monday, October 29, 2007
Childish behaviour?
Whether it’s a reaction to the UUP’s weekend conference - and the appearance there of the NI Minister for Social Development [RealPlayer file] - or whether it’s a reaction to previous events within the Assembly and the Executive [or even somewhere else? - Ed], the statements from Sinn Féin and the DUP criticising their smaller partners in the Executive, the UUP and the SDLP, should make interesting reading for anyone contemplating the role of the opposition in this “indigenous" deal. Firstly from SF’s John O’Dowd
“This is politics being made to work. People would prefer the SDLP and UUP to swallow their pride and get on with the job of playing a constructive role in the delivering for our communities through the Executive rather than behaving like small children in a huff.”
And from the DUP’s Michelle McIlveen, in a statement titled “Yes - Stranglehold on Executive exactly what DUP want.”
[That makes some recent Assembly decisions even more watchable - Ed]It may not suit the SDLP but we established Government in Northern Ireland to see the province succeed and strengthen the Union. That’s why we were determined to introduce accountability to the institutions and bring an end to the ability of freelance Ministers to act in defiance of Executive colleagues or the Assembly.
Pete Baker @ 04:33 PM
Glad to see McIlveen confirm that Margaret Ritchie was stopping funding to the UDA ‘in defiance of Executive colleagues”.
Posted by on Oct 29, 2007 @ 05:24 PMGlad to see McIlveen confirm that Margaret Ritchie was stopping funding to the UDA ‘in defiance of Executive colleagues”.
Posted by URQUHART on Oct 29, 2007 @ 06:24 PMThat is interesting isn’t it.
Posted by on Oct 29, 2007 @ 05:44 PMHope we’re not going to have to go over all that old ground again- the defiance was over how she was acting not the ultimate objective which very few unionists disagree with
Posted by on Oct 29, 2007 @ 05:47 PMThats the whole point the DUP cant spin their way out of. She did freelance and the only thing that might stop her is the law not her Executive colleagues straight jacket. Same as the Irish Language act and scrapping of the 11+. You tell me which of these ministerial descisions has found its way onto the floor of the assembly for a cross community vote? So much for triple locks etc,etc.
Posted by on Oct 29, 2007 @ 05:52 PMThe DUP are very proud of promoting the principle of accountability.
They have exercised power less than 6 months-----lets see how they try to avoid accountability in a few years time when the birds come home to roost and their broken promises are held up to public scrutiny.Posted by on Oct 29, 2007 @ 05:53 PMTriple lock was about devolving policing powers
Posted by on Oct 29, 2007 @ 06:04 PMThe only thing that McIlveen can confirm is what her colleagues tell her. She is not a member of the Executive.
Posted by on Oct 29, 2007 @ 06:07 PMPete,
Perhaps you should have added something to your blog along the lines of:
“..or draw attention away from what their freelance Ministers have done or are minded to do…Posted by on Oct 29, 2007 @ 06:23 PMjoe canuck,
“The only thing that McIlveen can confirm is what her colleagues tell her. She is not a member of the Executive.”
Interesting that the DUP members who are in the Executive put these comments out under the name of an unknown MLA rather than their own names.
Posted by on Oct 29, 2007 @ 07:24 PMBig O’Dowds statement is a classic. In the last week alone the Executive has delivered a budget, a PfG and an Investment Strategy. Nice going - a promise to completely overhaul theplanning service within 5 YEARS? these documents and their targets are laughably abject.
the foxes are in the hen house, but they’ve calmed down an awful lot.
Posted by on Oct 29, 2007 @ 07:54 PMBig John O’Dowd is a million percent correct, the SDLP are behaving very badly indeed, the next thing you’ll know them SDLP’ers will be wanting a United Ireland or something awful like democracy.
That’s the problem with them Durkan people they just aren’t thankful enough for a NIO jackboot on their neck.Posted by on Oct 29, 2007 @ 09:50 PMI doubt these comments were deliberately put out at about the same time by the DUP and SF.
What is interesting, though is that the “love in” although on different topics seems to be continuing. I would have thought that the apparent continuation of the “love in” would be considered a political liability by the DUP at least (clearly I am in no position to comment on the SF position).
I may be very wrong on this but I do suspect that being seen to be close to SF is a major danger for the DUP. Whilst they may not have splits and the UUP still seem weak despite a fairly good last few weeks, I still suspect that the DUP will be in danger of loosing support by a slow steady drip.
A number of DUP supporting commentors have said on this site that they feel the DUP need to stop looking so close to SF. I begin to wonder if the DUP leadership might be developing a bit of a blind spot for the thinking of the unionist grass roots just like the UUP did before. It may be time for the prodiban to consider coming out of our caves in Ballymenastan and moving gingerly towards the ultimnate goal, the capital of Kabulfast.
Posted by on Oct 29, 2007 @ 09:53 PMThe UUP/SDLP aren’t the only ones behaving like children. During Paisley’s Q&A;session last week, Naomi Long bullishly asked :
In the document, I cannot find any substantive reference to many issues, such as a shared future, good relations, community relations, post-primary transfer, sustainable schools policy, free personal care or the environmental protection agency — amongst others. How long do the First Minister and deputy First Minister intend to dine out on the feel-good factor created on 8 May 2007? When will they back it up with substantive action to deliver on a shared future and make that hope a reality?
To which Paisley wittily replied :
I am sure that the honourable lady enjoys dining out herself.
and went on to not bother answering the question.
Posted by on Oct 29, 2007 @ 10:10 PMComrade Stalin,
I am in no way defending Paisley here (not being a supporter) but as someone who has heard him speak and preach a few times you must remember a few things about him.He is a very old man and old dogs have trouble learning new tricks. Also he has rarely been brilliant at the cut and thrust of debate, for example on television interviews.
He was a brilliant orator and preacher and remains not bad at all. His skill is in the quite long speech which i suspect he prepares very carefully.
The Prime Minister’s questions type of format is one I suspect he has relatively little experience of and I suspect that helps explain his frequently rather poor performance.
Posted by on Oct 29, 2007 @ 10:32 PMComrade,
You quote stopped after the quip. Paisley gave her an answer of sorts:
The First Minister: I am sure that the honourable lady enjoys dining out herself.
She should read from page 3 of the document:
“our approach to delivering our priorities will be underpinned by the two cross-cutting key themes:
A better future: fairness, inclusion and equality of opportunity will be watchwords for all our policies and programmes.
This places an overarching responsibility on the Executive to proactively change the existing patterns of social disadvantage by using increased prosperity and economic growth to tackle ongoing priority.”
I am sorry that the lady does not read more carefully before making such statements.
Not that I believe a word of it but still no excuse for snipping his reply.
Posted by on Oct 29, 2007 @ 10:50 PMThis is getting ludicrous, the UUP and SDLP while not acting like children are obviously keen to point out their independence from the DUP/SF alliance and will take any opportunity to do so even if it is a little childish at times.
But they have a reasonable point in that the DUP and SF are extremely protective and paranoid about their new found power and are extreme in their bullishness. Robinson is definitely attempting to control the executive and is attempting to bully ‘the opposition’ on the executive.
What is the most ludicrous is that this axis has developed at all, they must think people are stupid, they may well turn out to be right but they will have to stand by their actions and decisions......no more smash sinn fein come election time - in fact they cant even play the ‘make us the biggest party or get sinn fein’ line as the way they are working it makes little difference who is number 1 as they are so hog tied to each other.
Posted by on Oct 29, 2007 @ 11:09 PMThe similarities between the DUP and Sinn Fein statements are unnerving…
Posted by on Oct 30, 2007 @ 02:22 AMI thought “Lurch” was chairman of the public accounts committee,imagine that,I should have thought that he would be all for accountability-just as long as it is not the sinn fein/dup politburo
Posted by on Oct 30, 2007 @ 04:00 AMRemember the first one bucharin ,Kamenev,Zinoviev trotsky -all fell foul of Robo oops sorry I meant Stalin
Posted by on Oct 30, 2007 @ 04:04 AMTurgon,
Paisley’s reply was an ad-hominem remark that would probably get you a yellow card on Slugger. There’s no excuse for that. It’s what little kids do in playgrounds.
Frank,
I was highlighting the ad hominem remark which is why I snipped the rest, but nonetheless Paisley did fail to answer the question. There isn’t a single word of Paisley’s reply which explains how the executive plan to deal with the core problem of community relations.
Veritas,
You are sullying the good name of Slugger by mentioning the names of those bourgeois counter-revolutionary pay-lackeys of capitalism. At least in the Kremlin there were several well-stocked drinks cabinets.
Posted by on Oct 30, 2007 @ 08:47 AMspeaking of childish, surely william humphreys’ attempt to censor parts of the internets that he dosent agree with could also be deemed childish. but then what does one expect from a party that embraced billy wright and his murder of many catholics
Posted by on Oct 30, 2007 @ 09:09 AMCompetition time.
What name does oh yeah normally blog under?
Posted by on Oct 30, 2007 @ 09:24 AMAre we seeing the emergence of new Norn Ireland party...what about a new name the Alliance Party
Posted by on Oct 30, 2007 @ 09:51 AMarent there enough conspiracy theories to deal with rather that that joe, lol, you have too much time on your hands lad pmsl
Posted by on Oct 30, 2007 @ 09:53 AMTurgon: “I doubt these comments were deliberately put out at about the same time by the DUP and SF.”
Doubt all you like, it isn’t the first time. Do you not remember the co-ordinated response to Ritchie’s whistle blowing on Hearts & Minds? In case you’ve forgotten, McGuinness and Dodds attacked Ritchie with the very same weasel words.
Posted by on Oct 30, 2007 @ 10:20 AM
