Friday, February 08, 2008

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1. Twinbrook
   Yes, the Brits did murder a lot of our people and we should never forget that. We should also never forget that a lot of our people were murdered by the I.R.A.,in some case to protect Brit agents, in others simply to forment trouble and instill fear in local areas (as instructed by agents). The input of Brit agents must be addressed no matter where it leads too, even to the very top of S.F. and the I.R.A.. If we ignore this then all is (as I fear it is) a sham and has been a sham for many years.That will include the Brit input to developement of S.F. strategy! There are a number of families still awaiting the return of missing bodies and it wasn’t the Brits who ‘disappeared’ them. Who told the curly headed Derry man that it would be a good idea to use ‘human bombs?’.

   Posted by  on Feb 09, 2008 @ 02:44 PM

2. yeah sceolaing i wonder who too.....who it was i mean.

   http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=AKL20050930&articleId=1024

   Posted by  on Feb 09, 2008 @ 04:17 PM

3. Yes, Rep/stones, I have had a look at globalresearch and it is the same old story!! Sad and yet so many don’t want to face the obvious!

   Posted by  on Feb 09, 2008 @ 07:55 PM

4. The informer incidence was so high before Gerry
   stepped up and called it a day, there might have been one in the boot of his car too, and maybe a couple of midgets in the glove compartment.

   Posted by shaughnessy_and_me on Feb 10, 2008 @ 12:12 AM

5. IRA spy row deepens

   The Church of Ireland Primate and the ex-priest were unavailable for comment this weekend. So far they have refused to comment publicly about any of their findings. However, sources close to their inquiry told The Observer that both men had been shocked about the depth of penetration of the republican movement.

   ‘They have been stunned by how many agents the RUC and MI5 had inside the Provos,’ one source said yesterday. ‘When they were in London, they were shown three cabinets of files on the use of republican agents alone.’

   Well, it has been around forty years and some of these people may have been little more than casual contacts, perhaps not fully aware of the status of the folks they were imparting information to.

   Did they have an opportunity to look at any of the contents or were their observations superficial? Might there have been any ‘household names’ on the larger files?

   Were files maintained on Eames and Bradley? Bradley has/had been a long time associate of Martin McGuinness.

   Posted by Nevin on Feb 10, 2008 @ 01:15 PM

6. Could this latest exposure be yet another smokescreen omitted as a distraction?
   How many journalists are involved in a meticulous dig for the slightest morsel that
   will bring any one of the many possible theories to over ride all others.
   Perhaps one of those digging has gotten too close for comfort alas the sacrificed lamb.
   In today’s papers it’s reported that the Intel department of the ra has an extensive wide ranging search for more moles within, surely sheer propaganda for mere rebuttal use.
   The sold out section of republicanism will never go down that road in the knowledge that exposing all the moles leaves the leadership in the open to be scrutinised and with no stock of fall guys possible collapse.
   Many have speculated at the speed of big Ian’s about turn and jumping into bed with
   the Fisherman and co in total contradiction of all before.
   Could I add another possible theory (I will anyway thank you?)
   On the 11th hour when it looked as though the deal for GFA was again doomed with big Ian as usual wanting more (which is what they were all there for even if Spinn Fein capitulated early on). Then the brits called him aside to discreetly explain to him that contrary to his beliefs Marti, Gerry & co had in fact been systematically stripping the ra of its assets since the 80`s to such an extreme, certain guarantee’s he was holding out for were actually now irrelevant.
   Should this have been the case we can assume the big man as not easily fooled has asked why was he not informed of this years earlier, logic would imply that should he have been in possession of these facts much earlier resulting in him applying a mellowed attitude to the hated enemy with the result of opponents of the leadership becoming suspicious and calling a halt to the treacherous strip down.
   To some it could have been a divine intervention however regardless of what, who, why when he could not have ended up as snugly accommodated by any other deal.

   Posted by  on Feb 10, 2008 @ 08:10 PM

7. posted by Kathy C

   I’ld say the british have been driving the adams and mcguiness agenda and mem for some time. THe irony of life… Am I the only one who think adams and mcguiness are so tarnished they should resign?

   Posted by  on Feb 11, 2008 @ 12:09 AM

8. “Am I the only one who thinks Adams and McGuinness are so tarnished they should resign?”

   North-South links, formal and informal, are increasing all the time while traditional unionism is being undermined by the realisation that real republicanism threatens no-one. It’s in all our interests to build a thriving stable economy on this island and managing that will automatically build political unity.

   800,000 Unionists have real fears which are being tackled and dispelled, the South has wasted millions supporting a border with which they never agreed and perfectly naturally want re-unification which they support, to be a peaceful process which doesn’t endanger their own prosperity and nationalists in the North see their political power grow with every election.

   Most importantly for the success of the GFA all the participants and their supporters have agreed on a framework for going forward together. You seem to be claiming that this is not a success, on the contrary it is a remarkable success for all.

   Tarnished? We’re on the brink of Irish freedom and the two people you insult have done more than anyone else to get us to that position.

   Posted by  on Feb 11, 2008 @ 01:24 AM

9. I would be more inclined to give the praise of us being closer to just about anything to John Hume a real people’s politician who had a gifted vision
   He was shuffling all round and making international friends when all others preferred to stay here collecting a salary for a short TV interview consisting of letting rip with the same old traditional insult every other week as a means of justifying their wage.
   And who was one of the principle architects for drawing up any past attempted agreements.
   Do we not have sunning dale?
   Tell me one idea Spinn fein has brought to the table that will be value for money to, we the tax payers. Any thing they have proposed on the run up to GFA has been money rackets with something in for them as that’s become their aspiration.
   Community group grants for wiping their ass.
   They are a bunch of gangsters who will railroad over anyone in their way for as long as the people remain within the traditional community fear factor.
   Would you rate their performance so far?
   I pity any one with children approaching the 11+ bracket.
   As for the fisherman he only has to stand behind big Ian no doubt under orders to be quiet as Ian can explain all the decisions he’s made quite well by himself leaving martin with nothing else to do except force that stupid looking grin.
   Sure it will give him plenty time to think up a new cover story for the next young man his hoods murder.
   They bummed them selves up with the statement of their vision and courage having brought us so far from the bad old days. What vision the brits bought them, to the point of not even pursuing their ill gotten gains proved by the fact big
   Alan Mc Quillan was chasing after loyalist poke men and not allowed to touch the northern bank money. Lets not forget stake knife would have known the details preceding the heist and their foreign attaché Donaldson would have been to Bulgaria to set up the property contract.Weren`t they all the one
   What about all their posters on the falls road in the lead up to the elections spouting of their stand against water charges, removed early the morning after whilst their other election posters remained for weeks.
   Did they not demand iniminity for the vote on the same issue?
   Martina Anderson practically dragged people from their houses in an effort of filling 2 small bus loads for her big colourful and noisy fanali to (Stormbound )demanding better for Derry only to vote with every other spinn fein and Dup member against her demands within days.
   And what of goobley goo`s treatment of the classroom assistants, really gifted at public relations
   The reality of the whole set up is that Big Ian is running the lot and they’re happy with the new found respectability coupled with the blind eye on all their illegalities proved by big Ians deafening screams at the murder of Paul Quinn.
   Should things not be pulled into line and functioning as normal government shortly we’d be better off with direct rule for the foreseeable future
   Gis a break.

   Posted by  on Feb 11, 2008 @ 03:25 AM

10. cathy C

    I would die (well nearly die) to see most of the leadership of spinn fein not only getting dumped from the party but taken to book on charges against humanity
    Someone somewhere has to be held accountable.
    Look around us
    Your bank manager should have a urine dispenser about 18 inchs above the entrance to the bank every customer activating it by whatever means, allowing the customer to get pissed on.
    By the time they rob you at the cashiers desk you`ll be so mad you`ll never cop on ( shit nobodys going to jail)
    You`ve most likely (unless you`re in your teens) to have been robbed in broad daylight at least 6 or 7 times a week with no one coming to your aid and why should they, sure the person who`s technically just carried out a crime directed at you and your hard earned cash hasn`t even taken a redner. Should some one do this to you in a public place tomorrow i`d like to think normal brain function would compell you to take action. Worse again they rob you even when you don`t go in.
    Now i`ll finally get to ans the Q.
    Kathy C
    The leadership of the party in question have just spent 20 + years destroying middle management and many other essential services required to run a small army and a war.
    They were dispenced of by some sick methods including murder and replaced with yes men.
    As a result when things go wrong in any internal departments martin and gerri`s backs are well covered.
    I can only assume they`re (the yess men)in fear for their lives should they attepmpt
    There will be lots out there who will defend them regardless of any wrong doing which is what i myself had been guilty of up until recently.By coming onto the internet and viewing various news related articles in various sites has totally changed my outlook of those same leaders. You`ve probaly guessed by now I look on them as Bank managers with the differance in that they`ll definetly kill you with out a thought for any unwanted questions or differance of opinion
    I was treating matter what warwardiscussed

    Posted by  on Feb 11, 2008 @ 05:10 AM

11. Well said ‘Realst’ on your last post, Further to that why on earth do tens of thousands still vote for Spinn Fein at every election? When will people, like you and myself have thier moment of realism?
    I mean theres taking a damage limitation exercise(Sinn Fein electoral success) in the face of complete failure to the limit, before people should surely realise they;ve been duped?
    Of course you could be right, as Huxley has put it ‘we love our slavery’ The ones who vote and encourage Spinn Fein get what they deserve.

    Posted by  on Feb 11, 2008 @ 10:40 AM

12. Lib2016

    I read your last post about being on the brink of Irish freedom
    and for the sake of my sanity I need to ask you a question which is do you do grass?????

    Posted by  on Feb 11, 2008 @ 02:07 PM
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