Saturday, December 22, 2007
A total disrespect for the families in that courtroom…
Victor Barker’s remarks on the behaviour of Sean Hoey’s supporters in the courtroom on Thursday.
Mick Fealty @ 07:08 AM
ask him what part of “not guilty” does he not understand.
Posted by on Dec 22, 2007 @ 08:29 AMJust as well that his opinion dosnt count.
Posted by on Dec 22, 2007 @ 08:34 AMMy Goodness,
Ohyeah, are you mentally retarded? in fact only you would answer that! there is something seriously wrong with you my man...Listen to what those people have to say.
Regards
Rob
Posted by on Dec 22, 2007 @ 08:54 AMbut his opinion was flawed in that hes still claiming that mr hoey is guilty when there isnt a shred of evidence to suggest that he is. surely thats the fault of baxter and whoever fed him the lies rather than a family who were happy at seeing their relative freed from an almost certain miscarriage of justice
ps. ireland unfree shall never be at peacePosted by on Dec 22, 2007 @ 08:56 AMsometimes the truth is hard to stomach, rob, and on this occasion i tend to believe the judgement of the court. if believing a judge makes me mentally retarded or a spacker or whatever , then so be it. Id rather be mentally retarded than have my thoughts directed by the ruc/psni.
my conscience is clear.....i had nothing to do with the bomb, i dont support those who had anything to do with the bomb, and i dont support the framing of anyone over the bomb
the real retards are the people who planted the bomb, and the people who lied and deceived in the attempt to frame sean hoey FOR A CRIME HE DIDNT COMMITPosted by on Dec 22, 2007 @ 09:05 AMRegretfully, Slugger has enabled those with a corresponding disrespect for the families another means by which they can hurt those people both now and for the forseeable future.
This may be the price of free speech to those like the above poster who freely endorse murder and murder attempts without fear of identification or indeed prosecution.
While the events of this week may demonstrate that Justice can be elusive, there is a simpler way in which such issues will be worked out: what goes around, comes around.
Posted by on Dec 22, 2007 @ 09:33 AMwhy jo,
do you think sean hoey did do it??
sounds like you are bitting your lip on this.Posted by on Dec 22, 2007 @ 09:53 AMIn years to come Seán Hoey’s name will fade into the widerness as he has been found not guilty in a case which to be honest had little or no evidence against him.
A case in which a senior detctive and a scenes of crime officer were caught telling lies and a former Chief Constable seemed to be up to his knees in an orchestrated effort to fuck the whole case up.
The names that will be remembered as a marker for the future conduct of Forensic officers, Scenes of Crime officers, investigating detectives and most of all the concept of justice and a fair trial, shall be those who lied to the court and others who done their level best to undermine possible witness evidence.
Posted by on Dec 22, 2007 @ 10:16 AMOhyeah, cut the bull,
Have you listened to what that man had to say? What are both your opinions on it?
Regards
Rob
Posted by on Dec 22, 2007 @ 10:25 AMIt’s simply untrue to say there wasn’t a shred of evidence against Hoey.
More honest to say that there wasn’t enough evidence to secure a fair conviction, so of course he had to walk free.
Posted by on Dec 22, 2007 @ 10:49 AMIt’s interesting how few lessons are ever learned from similar high profile case where the police, under pressure from the community and the politicians to secure a conviction, have conspired to send an innocent man to prison, ensuring that justice was not done.
Just like when the conviction of the Birmingham Six was finally overturned, we are seeing the same insidious backlash by the bigots to convince us that the system didn’t fail and that “They were really guilty, they just got off on a technicality.” No, they weren’t ‘really guilty’ and the system did fail. Flawed scientific evidence was used, confessions were beaten out of some of them, police officers lied to the court, and the media was used as part of a smear campaign to convince all of their guilt. The human rights of those men didn’t matter to English society because they had Northern Ireland accents (considered proof of a terrorist tendency), they weren’t middleclass, and once convicted, an “appalling vista” arose which was deemed more important than the rights of innocent men.
The trial wasn’t about the families: it was about the guilt or innocence of one citizen, Sean Hoey. He was found not guilty because there wasn’t a shred or reliable evidence against him, police officers like to the court in an organised conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, and because ‘intelligence’ (which is not evidence) was used to finger him. That doesn’t mean he ‘got off on a technicality.’ It means there was as much evidence to prove the veracity of the intelligence as there is to prove the claim that Rudolph really is a red-nosed reindeer.
Not that the PSNI didn’t try to hold the trial in the media from day one, with over 200 police officers and British army soldiers being sent to his home arrest him to the music of helicopters hovering overhead. Gee, who wouldn’t be convinced that a very dangerous man had been apprehended by those dramatic display, worthy of a Schwarzenegger movie? It was almost as dramatic as the display they put on when they raided PSF’s offices at Stormont, causing the collapse of the Executive when the only person involved in a ‘spy ring’ was another British agent, Dennis Donaldson.
Victor Barker’s misdirected anger should not deprive Sean Hoey of the right to his good name and freedom. He should have the decency to withdraw his remarks. If not, then Sean Hoey is entitled to seek redress through the courts.
It seems we are now in a situation where those who hold the political view that the British state doesn’t have any legitimacy in Ireland are the Irish accents in London - the new class of Birmingham Six candidates. They are the new underclass of society, to be used as trial fodder, thanks to the fascist hysteria that threads like this promote.
Posted by on Dec 22, 2007 @ 10:54 AMlet the rewriting of history begin. Sean Hoey wasn`t found not guilty the judge through telepathy, sent his real thoughts about the case to all those few around the Cosmos who see a not guily verdict as a well he was really guilty, lets not worry about small things like facts or evidence, he`s bad you know, the Special Branch told me.
As to Seans families reaction...they have every right to express their relief at their son release.
Innocent.Posted by on Dec 22, 2007 @ 11:04 AMmy opinion rob, is that mr barker was fed a load of shite by those handling the case...he was told by them that hoey was involved, without there being a shred of evidence against hoey. in fact there was similar evidence against an english child, who should have been jointly charged. such is the nature of low copy dna, there could have been evidence to connect you, daniel o donnell or anyone else to the case. sean hoey was the unlucky one and joins a long list of republicans like raymond mccartney who have been framed by the ruc/psni
mr barker is bound to be disappointed at the result, but thats the fault of the psni for telling him they had the right man and that a conviction was imminent. ci baxter knew this, thats why he ran away from the cameras
while the real ira may be responsible for the original pain he felt over the death of his son, theyre not responsible for the further pain which is obvious in that film...the ruc/psni are!
thats my 2 euro anywayPosted by on Dec 22, 2007 @ 11:06 AMThe rewriting of history has already begun, Hoey was called a hero on this very thread.
A hero for what exactly?
29 dead and someone’s a hero for not being found guilty of it.
Posted by on Dec 22, 2007 @ 11:16 AMThe cheering when the verdict was announced was imo an expression of relief not victory or gloating at the families. Sean Hoey was on trial and if convicted would probably spent the vast majority of the rest of his life in jail. Emotions at times are hard to contain and I don’t believe for one moment that anyone holds any ill feelings towards the families. If Sean Hoey had been convicted, the gloating that his family would have to face would have been unbelievable and we would not be discussing on here. No matter what angle we take in all of this Sean Hoey is innocent.
Posted by on Dec 22, 2007 @ 11:32 AMOhyeah,
Can I ask a question, did the RUC/PSNI just take it into their heads one day ‘lets lift the first person we see’ and poor old Hoey was that man?
Regards
Rob
Posted by on Dec 22, 2007 @ 11:41 AMJ Kelly,
The cheering was an effing disgrace, compare that with the dignity that the families showed.
Regards
Rob
Posted by on Dec 22, 2007 @ 11:44 AMdead on rob,
because the RUC/Psni have an outstanding record of impartiality, esp in south armagh.
lifting the first person they see, is a character trait of the police forces here, especially if you happen to have a politcal opinion that differs from the one that prevails in the PSNIUC.
the british court system have found the man innocent. end of story.
Posted by on Dec 22, 2007 @ 11:47 AMHarry,
Funny that, I could have swore that there were loads of Republican supporters out that were not lifted, or are you trying to say that everyone who supported the Republican movement has been lifted and spent time in jail?
Regards
Rog
Posted by on Dec 22, 2007 @ 11:58 AMOmagh was a stunning blow for Irish unity...and peace.
It united the people of Ireland (and beyond) in a determination to ensure that a gang of cowardly desperados (RIRA)will have no say in our future.
The blood of the Omagh victims ensures the desperados are isolated and rejected.
An honourable republican objective (uniteing Protestant, Catholic and Dissenter) was acheived.
Protestant, Catholic and Dissenter united in revulsion, and a determination to see that those who bravely fight for peace will overcome the cowards.
Up an alley, from which there is no escape.
Posted by on Dec 22, 2007 @ 12:02 PMno not all have been lifted, but alot have. and the psniuc have dont really let evidence stand in the way at having a go at nationalists and republicans in general.
but you are suggesting that because hoey came from a republican area he was lifted.
well in that case…
it wasnt the rira that planted the omagh bomb at all.
imo it was british intelligence.
after all they were the guys that did dublin monaghan.
and nobody ever did time for that. a fact that does not seem to excercise the minds of people as much.
but then again.. those bombs are safely in the past and safely in the republic of ireland.
Posted by on Dec 22, 2007 @ 12:10 PMHoey’s solicitor has released a statement saying that the comments made by Victor Barker regarding Hoey in that very interview are ‘actionable’ and that Hoey is considering legal action ‘to clear his name’, i.e. a libel action against Victor Barker.
An ugly business indeed.It’s very telling to note though that major broadcast media outlets broadcast those very comments, which are blatantly libelous, and that Hoey isn’t, at this stage anyway, going after them, seeing that they are the ones who he could hit for big money.
If he actually does take action against Victor Barker it’s highly likely that he’d win it. If so, then Victor Barker would, in all probability, have to withdraw his comments publicly, amongst other things. Would he do that?
This could get much, much uglier.
Posted by on Dec 22, 2007 @ 12:25 PMHarry,
Effing hell mate!!!
Regards
Rob
Posted by on Dec 22, 2007 @ 12:27 PMSean Hoey is as innocent as OJ Simpson, Lizzie Borden and Robert Howard.
Posted by on Dec 22, 2007 @ 12:28 PMTotally off topic -so apologies in advance but breaking news on BBC Radio has announced that Blair (that’s Tony not Sir Ian) has converted to the Roman Catholic faith.
“It is a private matter” said a spokesman. That’s what he thinks!
Posted by on Dec 22, 2007 @ 12:34 PM
