Thursday, January 11, 2007
1000 Poles want to join the PSNI…
It seems policing is a number one desireable job amongst Polish immigrants. According to the BBC, “968 of a total of more than 7,700 applications last November were from Poles - more than 12%”. Thanks to Robert for the heads up!
Mick Fealty @ 01:44 PM
Waow, what a perfect solution. The Poles can join the RUC/PSNI and bring up the number of Catholics in the organization, without introducing any “Fenians” to the team. What a concept!
Posted by on Jan 11, 2007 @ 03:13 PMDo Poles count as Catholics for the purpose of the 50%-50% recruitment? I had heard from Fair_Deal saying that they would count as ethnic minorities, and therefore would be included under Protestants.
Posted by on Jan 11, 2007 @ 03:15 PMPoles are non-UK national applicants and as far as I would be aware UK/Irish national Catholics count for the Catholic element of the quota arrangement…(?)
Posted by on Jan 11, 2007 @ 03:26 PMI queried the PSNI about the impact of 50-50 recruitment on immigrants looking to join a few months back (it was from the perspective that non-Catholic ethnic minorities looking to join the PSNI would be disadvantaged by it). I asked was there an exemption in place for migrants and ethnic minorities but was told that recruitment is done on a stricty 50 per cent Catholic, 50 per cent non-Catholic basis. It looks to me like an accidental loop-hole. I would also be interested to find out what the story is with previous years. How many of the Catholic applicants, (which we would have certainly been left with the impression were of the nationalist variety) were migrants?
It’s an interesting story though, because it does illustrate the total lack of actual relevance religion has to the divide. The Patten reforms would have had similar relevance had they proposed recruitment on a 50 per cent Celtic supporter, 50 per cent non-Celtic supporter basis.
Posted by on Jan 11, 2007 @ 03:33 PMdon’t worry - as far as a lot of idiots will be concerned Poles are still Fenians.
Posted by on Jan 11, 2007 @ 03:34 PMGood on the Poles for showing a desire to serve the Public, but is maintaining the rule of law now reduced to one of those jobs that Brits won’t do?
Posted by on Jan 11, 2007 @ 03:55 PMDavid Vance
7000 applications for how many posts? I think you have your answer about who is willing to do it.
Posted by on Jan 11, 2007 @ 04:04 PMPatton designated people as Catholic and non-Catholic. Ethnic minorities are included in the non-catholic section regardless of their denomination or religion AFAIK
Posted by on Jan 11, 2007 @ 04:11 PMWhat about people from the Republic. There was an article in the Irish Times on Tuesday about people from the South migrating to NI and one of them was in the PSNI - he said (from memory) that there are a lot of Southerners in the PSNI as it pays better than the Gardai. Do they count as Catholics or ehnic minorities?
Posted by on Jan 11, 2007 @ 04:19 PMBrilliant, 50% of the applicants are northern nationalists, the other 50% are Poles and freestaters. Soon the dissident republicans will be attacking the PSNI for being too nationalist.
How far we have come for the days of the B-Specials. The jackboot of the Orangeman is slowly being removed from this part of Ireland.
Posted by on Jan 11, 2007 @ 04:24 PMAm I the only one who finds the concept of being policed by foreigners outrageous? Who do the Poles think they are to walk into the unique situation of contentious politics in n. ireland - especially in relation to policing - and join up with a british force to police irish people, for no other reason than that the money is good?
Coupled with the story of the immigrants who were working inside the submarine bar while an industrial dispute was going on involving the other staff who were indigenous irish, the effect of these people is going to be significantly negative in ways rarely alluded to in the media. There is trouble coming.
I too was an emigrant. When I emigrated I didn’t for one moment think of doing so to become a scab in someone else’s country or involve myself in highly sensitive political issues affecting the natives in the country I went to.
Apparently the eastern europeans think they can act differently.
Posted by on Jan 11, 2007 @ 04:54 PMSeein religion isn’t going to play a part anyways, shouldn’t they be exempt from the quota system entirely? How do you explain to them that they’re the wrong kind of Catholic?
Posted by on Jan 11, 2007 @ 05:09 PMPolish Service of Northern Ireland.= PSNI
Posted by on Jan 11, 2007 @ 05:14 PMIf they are all hot blondes who cares?? You’ll not be able to tell the apart from strip-o-grams.
It will make a change from big fat Orangemen called Sammy or Billy, who’ll hand all your details over to the nearest UDA member at the drop of a hat. And at least they won’t have a conflict of interest on the 12th.
Posted by on Jan 11, 2007 @ 05:25 PMI remember there being some allegation that the RUC’s Catholic recruits were largely English.
Posted by on Jan 11, 2007 @ 05:26 PMGood post Harry.
Posted by on Jan 11, 2007 @ 05:31 PMHarry
Am I the only one who finds the concept of being policed by foreigners outrageous?
Welcome to our world ;-)
Posted by on Jan 11, 2007 @ 05:40 PMat least the poles arent joing the prison service,that would be ironic,do you think the new polish police man/woman would take more offence to the chant ss r.u.c/psni,but at least there are plus es instead of losing all our rebel music which sang about our victories and united irelands, we can change british to polish without losing our hits parade of rebel songs
Posted by on Jan 11, 2007 @ 05:42 PMSounds the same if you’re a bit pissed - the Polish Service of Northern Ireland.
Posted by on Jan 11, 2007 @ 05:54 PMdon’t see all the fuss about Poles joining the PSNI
There are Catholic members of the PSNI living in ANDERSONSTOWN….(FACT)... besides it’s better the Poles are in the PSNI than the liverpool football team because Jerzy Dudek is crap.
Will a white Pole understand being called a Black Bastard?
Posted by on Jan 11, 2007 @ 06:44 PMThe Devil There are Catholic members of the PSNI living in ANDERSONSTOWN….(FACT)...
I thought that they knocked down Andytown Police Station ??????????
Posted by on Jan 11, 2007 @ 07:19 PMSurely what must concern us most is the provision for transvestites. I understand that provision is already made to permit the wearing of the regulation policewoman’s uniform for transexuals. We must now ensure that this provision is extended to male officers who prefer to don female garb.
Perhaps our church leaders can take the lead here in campaigning for the implementation of this important aspect of human rights, they are, after all, in the habit of dressing rather strangely themselves.
Posted by on Jan 11, 2007 @ 07:23 PMHarry - are you for real?
“Am I the only one who finds the concept of being policed by foreigners outrageous?”
Sadly no - you’ll find lots of your friends calling Stephen Nolan when the word gets out.
“Who do the Poles think they are to walk into the unique situation of contentious politics in n. ireland - especially in relation to policing - and join up with a british force to police irish people,”
Classic - as if the fact that a potential peeler who is ‘born and bred’ in NI guarantees that they will make a positive contribution to policing. The less we are obsessed with our ‘unique situation of contentious politics’ the more chance we have of a future that will differ from the past.
“for no other reason than that the money is good?”
Since when are we surprised that people apply for jobs that offer an attractive wage? Are you suggesting that non-polish applicants are only signing up for the good of society?
Welcome to Europe.
Posted by on Jan 11, 2007 @ 08:11 PMRobert Carry
“How many of the Catholic applicants, (which we would have certainly been left with the impression were of the nationalist variety) were migrants? “
No robert, in actual fact these Polish applicants who are most probably Catholic at birth are grouped into the Protestant applications. The 50% ratio only applies to UK and Irish Catholics applying.
Bizarre!!
Posted by on Jan 11, 2007 @ 08:27 PMNo better place than a ‘post-nationalist’ society for subterfuge about how we shouldn’t mind giving guns and authority to foreigners to police us.
It’s retrograde and offensive. It’s being done in the name and interests of british nationalism on this island. These Poles are mercenaries. If they want to work, they should fuck off and find a job that doesn’t aggress half the population. Otherwise they’re asking for trouble - and they’ll deserve it.
This is about power. Only a fool would give up such power to foreigners and say it’s an improvement of their lives and their political situation. It is disempowering and offensive.
Posted by on Jan 11, 2007 @ 08:36 PM
