Carthy “Do not assume that republican patience is limitless!”

Chris had a piece up on Sinn Fein’s approach towards RHI and we will have to wait until the Assembly comes back to see how far the are prepared to go over this issue but a contribution was made today by Matt Carthy MEP who has issued a warning to the DUP.  I have bolded some of the key bits.

Nationalists and republicans throughout Ireland, not least members and supporters of Sinn Féin, are deeply angered at the recent actions and behaviour of the DUP.

“Today, we have a word of warning today for those who are clearly hell-bent on hollowing out the Good Friday Agreement and denying the rights of nationalists in the North – do not assume that republican patience is limitless!

“The recent arrogance of the DUP in response to the Renewable Heating Incentive (RHI) sandal has seriously damaged the credibility of the Northern Assembly, the Executive and the Office of First and Deputy First Minister.

“Serious allegations of corruption have rightly outraged people from all communities in the North.

“The DUP stands accused of keeping open a scheme that could cost taxpayers over 400 million pounds.

“The actions and behaviour of the DUP since the emergence of this scandal have brought us all to the precipice of a major political crisis.

“People should not underestimate the seriousness of this situation. This crisis is the greatest threat to the political institutions in over a decade.

“But Arlene Foster and her senior advisers appear to be living in a state of denial.

Let me make one thing very clear here today – this issue is not going away, and Sinn Féin will not be providing any shred of political cover to a unionist leadership who are in an unholy mess entirely of their own making.

“Our MLAs have brought forward a motion which will be top of the agenda when the Assembly returns this month.

“It deals comprehensively with the substantive issues surrounding this debacle.

It calls on First Minister Arlene Foster to stand aside to facilitate an independent, time-framed, robust and transparent investigation and until a preliminary report is presented; to recoup taxpayers money; and to determine whether corruption played any part in the process.

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  • Jollyraj

    And the answer to the question? Are you still avoiding that?

  • Anthony O’Shea

    I have answered it a dozen times man. Can you try to stick to the topic?

  • eireanne3

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  • Skibo

    If it goes down that line Stormont could be in line for fines similar to the ones for CAP with ineligible fields being claimed for.

  • Skibo

    Gingray, they said the IRA were the biggest obstacle to a UI and they had to go. Now you say that SF are the biggest obstacle to a UI and they have to go. Could it be you just want Republicans to disappear and then you wouldn’t have to worry about a UI at all.
    SF probably lost most of their votes over their support of a partial introduction for abortion more than anything else.
    I am annoyed at how they have stood by the DUP with all the things that we thought were agreed yet the DUP were able to squirm out of. Now they are removing a paltry £50,000 from Liofa to support the less well off going to the Gaelteacht.
    I do not know if we should trust the DUP to keep promises at all but unfortunately the electorate keep returning them.
    A battle a day is no way to run an executive and we have to make it work the best we can.
    I only hope the patience of the Republican voter is not pushed too far.

  • Skibo

    AntrimGael can you point to something else they could have done?
    This is a long game. At least at the moment we have Irish (Northern Irish) politicians working the system and trying to direct funds to where it is needed most. Would you have them pull it down and return to direct rule?

  • Skibo

    Redstar just remember that there will only be five seats per constituency.

  • Gingray

    Skibo, I would happily call myself an Irish republican, and I am afraid you are deliberately misquoting me.

    I have said that SF are one of the biggest obstacles to ending partition – not that they are the biggest obstacle. The lack of a right wing or anti abortion choice could indeed be another.

    I think it is foolish however not to notice that SF have become more concerned about power for the sake of power, than pushing a republican agenda, and are more and more being perceived as just towing the DUP line.

    The Liofa issue just reinforces how easily they are being played by the DUP, and how little republicans have gained from being in government.There is no doubt that this is having a much bigger turn off effect for nationalists, driving down the vote and this providing an obstacle to ending partition – if voters dont vote, then nothing will change, and SF are not seen as a party that can bring about that change.

  • Hugh Davison

    Thank you for your reply. Nothing in it explains why the South should be held in suspicion for events that were entirely the creation of the North. You sound to me a bit like one of those timorous beasties that dared not cross the border for fear of corruption by Rome.

  • Skibo

    What would you suggest they do?

  • Skibo

    Jollyraj the only option I see open to MMcG is to step down as DFM. If he does this it will remove her also.

  • Skibo

    Pete was the issue of a Judicial inquiry not more about the length of time and the cost? I would prefer the Judicial route as it would have substantially more power. I was quite annoyed at the way Sammy Wilson and the like was able to antagonise witnesses at previous investigations, and instigate stalling tactics to try and railroad investigations.
    I believe that was the reason Daithi tried to give young Bryson a few pointers.

  • Skibo

    John larkin may have been beholding at one point but he is in the position now. Could the DUP remove him if they even wanted to?

  • Skibo

    Are you sure of that? Did Naomi not also mention a judicial inquiry?
    As for John Larkin being asked to call an inquiry, I thought all SF asked John Larkin to do was appoint someone to lead it. Would this not show impartiality of the appointment?

  • Skibo

    Not only that but SDLP held the chair for the committee at that time also!

  • Skibo

    Granni how could SF take any promises on anything from the DUP with all that they agreed on before and rowed back from?

  • Skibo

    I think they walk a very narrow line. They have to show they can make politics work and if there is no Stormont then it isn’t working.
    They have to work with DUP as they are they have the numbers.
    I think enough is enough though. The DUP do not seem to view SF as an equal partner in this executive. I believe MMcG should step down as DFM if Arlene does not stand aside. That will remove her anyway. It also then gives around six weeks to either reinstate FM/DFM or there will be elections.
    I hope the Speaker also gets his comeuppance before that also.
    The DUP may not be afraid of an election but approximately six of their MLAs will not be returning. Not sure they will be as willing.
    As for Arlene, the drip drip of further information on RHI will be damaging. I believe the party will reel in behind her but she should remember Peter Robinson and the East Belfast seat. The Unionist electorate may not be as forgiving as she thinks.

  • AntrimGael

    Yes I would. As a Nationalist I don’t believe that even the Tories could be as bigoted, sectarian and nauseating as the DUP. Collapse the Stormont circus and bring in Joint Authority until such time as demographics allow for a border poll.

  • Jollyraj

    Why would him stepping down remove her?

  • Jollyraj

    No you haven’t. Or, if you feel you have, then feel free to copy & paste it in here – certainly I haven’t seen your answer.

  • Granni Trixie

    Good point. My understanding is that now that he has been appointed
    for two periods under the rules he cannot be reappointed (but I’m not 100 per cent sure).

  • Granni Trixie

    Quite.

  • Gingray

    Lot of blame to be shared from the early stages, but that is manageable – there will be workarounds. The interesting thing will be if we ever see who benefited from the scheme.

  • Gingray

    Skibo
    My opinion is that they need to make politics work here to benefit the party in the south, but if they want to help end partition they need to show either that republicans are no push overs or that Northern Ireland is unworkable.

    At the minute they are prioritising the south.

  • eireanne3

    here are several hypotheses as to what SF’s game plan is
    https://eurofree3.wordpress.com/2017/01/04/whats-sinn-feins-game-plan-at-stormont/

  • Skibo

    Granni if that is true then he owes them nothing and has nothing to earn by arse licking.
    I had assumed what SF had asked for was an inquiry to be lead by someone of Judicial level. From that I assumed that Stormont would call the inquiry but a Judge would lead it and he/ she would offer the impartiality. One other thing I would have preferred is to ensure the results would be publicly reported.
    I think Stephen Nolan would have offered to do it for free!

  • Skibo

    Simple, it is a joint office, one cannot be without the other. SF would have, I believe, 6 weeks to either appoint a DFM or we go to elections.

  • Skibo

    I do not share your belief of the Tory Government. All of the worst in cost savings will be brought in along with further reductions in our block grant. Joint Authority will only go as far as the North/South bodies as the British Irish Council would be reformed. I have no faith in FG as being a protector of the Nationalist community and are more likely to shimmy up to Unionists.

  • Skibo

    The beneficiary to the scheme have done nothing wrong unless they are abusing it and that is where checks should be carried out over the whole scheme prior to any payments. The interesting part of an inquiry will be finding out who removed the control measures found within the GB scheme. It could be it was a civil service thing but the issue of an uncapped scheme should have had alarm bells ringing all over the place. How did they ever agree a budget? How did the Finance Minister ( Mr Sammy Wilson) ever approve it?

  • Skibo

    Gingray to make politics work here for the benefit of the south would involve making the Executive stable and a battle a day and bad relations between Ministers will not do that.
    The DUP are bullies and that is how they work but unfortunately SF will have to work with them for the stability.
    Like I have said before, they walk a very narrow line between acting like partners and becoming door stops.
    NI is unworkable in the fact that it is not economically viable. That can be reduced by reducing the Civil Service and we are travelling along that path.

  • Granni Trixie

    Don’t forget also that whoever chooses ‘the judicial person from outside NI’ and devises the criteria and remit frames what follows.
    There is so much mistrust As regards RHI that there is no point in having an enquiry unless there is a high standard of transparency and willingness to be open with and about whatever comes up.
    Anyone associated with the DUP for example would be perceived as toxic. The more the DUP demonstrate they do not want a public enquiry the more they will be perceived as having something to hide. Bear in mind that we have never been permitted to see the previous outcome of the investigation undertaken when Robinson stepp d aside. Perhaps current insistent calls for a public enquiry will impel them to agree to it.

  • Skibo

    I agree on the Robinson investigation. Never been published. Guess we will have to wait another 29 years for it. I watched some of the investigations where Sammy Wilson badgered witnesses and ended up with a shouting match on more that one occasion with the investigation being abandoned for a while.
    The politicians on all sides were only interested in protecting their own party.
    Public and independent inquiry is the only way forward.

  • Anthony O’Shea

    Should Arlene step aside?

  • Anthony O’Shea

    Can we take it that whenever they do decide, and whatever that decision is, you’ll be certain that it’s the worst possible decision for them to have made?

  • Jollyraj

    Nope – in fact the law of averages suggest they must surely be due a smart decision sooner or later.

    And no, you cannot take it as you said. I tend to judge decisions on their practical outworking – not on who made them. I know that might be a difficult concept for you, Anthony.

    But, wait…. you’ve said “whenever they do decide, and whatever that decision is, “. So you’re now saying they don’t even know what they’re threatening to do. Hmmm….surely that means that the answer to the question of what it is they were threatening to do that you thought such a marvellous plan is… they don’t know…so you couldn’t possibly know…all you know is that you think it’s a great idea, whatever it is.

    Oh Anthony – it’s almost too easy 🙂

  • Jollyraj

    So you’re saying if Martin dropped out, Sinn Fein wouldn’t replace him? Is that the plan young Anthony is oblivious of, yet so excited by?

  • Anthony O’Shea

    Lol

  • Jollyraj

    Lol indeed.

    The slow-witted stubborn imtransigence of Irish Republicanism at its finest.

    A mish-mash group of ideologically matched extremists who feel they deserve to ‘take power in Ireland’ for no better reason then that they really really want to.

  • Anthony O’Shea

    You’re too clever for me.

  • Jollyraj

    It would certainly appear that way, yes, but in fairness to you if you’re nailing your colours quite so firmly to the SF mast, then you’re bound to be left with egg on your face each time they U-turn.

  • Anthony O’Shea

    As opposed to the wood pellets all over your face and your DUP colleagues.

  • Skibo

    No I am not saying that is what they will do. I am saying that is an option. The thing it would do is give them breathing space and show the DUP that they are not merely there to nod their heads to everything.
    The DUP are not sympathetic to the SF electorate. They give the impression that they are not concerned about the support of SF. SF have bent over backwards to placate DUP support.
    This is a symbiotic relationship and the DUP do not seem to realise that.
    The whole RHI scheme could have been resolved simply had it not been for the attitude of Arlene and her minions. Actually that would be a good description of the DUP at the moment, Arlene and her minions. That is probably why they defend her to the hilt.

  • Jollyraj

    My DUP colleagues?

  • Kevin Breslin

    Just read your first two paragraphs …

    You should’ve quit when you said SF will have no other choice but to force an election. You correctly guessed that, but clearly doubted SF following through though.

    A week is a long time in politics.