“…but I withheld the names. Adams said ‘that’s not the way we operate.’”

I’m in complete admiration for the way Sinn Fein continues to believe in their leader, no matter how implausible the scenario. This week’s implausible scenario features an email Mr A sent to An Garda Siochana just days before February’s general election.

Gareth McKeown in the Irish News explains:

Mr Adams named a number of senior Sinn Féin figures suspected of the 1983 murder of Brian Stack in an email sent to Garda Commissioner Nóirín O’Sullivan back in February.

Three of those named are said to be well-known politicians, while a fourth man is a suspected former IRA boss according to a report in the Irish Independent.

The email sent on February 23, three days before the General Election – has now been passed on to detectives investigating the shooting.

It is believed gardaí will now interview a number of those included.

However, today’s Irish Times, reports:

The Taoiseach has called on Sinn Féin president Gerry Adams to clarify the confusion surrounding names he gave to the Garda Commissioner relating to the murder of a prison officer.

Mr Adams has said the names of three Sinn Féin figures, and a fourth former IRA figure, said to be connected with the murder of Brian Stack in 1983, were given to him by Austin Stack, Mr Stack’s son. Austin Stack has denied this.

Okay. Here’s what Mr Stack says:

“I gave him an outline of what I knew but I withheld the names. He said ‘that’s not the way we operate.’ I was quite shocked when the guards came to me and notified me that they had this email and they wanted me to make a statement. I was very shocked”.

“I am absolutely clear I never gave Gerry Adams those names. I never had a discussion with him around names. He did ask me but I wouldn’t tell him.”

 In defence of his actions, Adams said this:

“I passed the names on to the Garda Commissioner while making clear that I have no information on the death of Brian Stack. The Gardaí are the only body that can investigate this matter. I am prepared to co-operate with them on this.”

So, if Gerry really had no direct evidence to over, and Austin Stack did not give him the names, why’s he even talking to the Guards? And where did he get those names from?

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  • Donagh

    As incredible as it may sound to you Mick but perhaps Austin Stack did give him the names or maybe he spelt it out in terms that were unmistakable. Let’s face it Austin Stack is not exactly a shrinking violet when it comes to Gerry Adams, SF or the IRA.

  • Declan Doyle

    Dont be silly, that would make Gerry correct, and we cant have that sluggerstan 😉

  • Donagh

    Yes but why is Mr Stack making such an issue out of this now? Adams said publicly back in Feb that he had done this. He even held a press conference. Fairly improbable that Mr Stack missed it given how vocal he is about every other move Adams and SF make.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/sinn-fein-austin-stack-allegations-2615646-Feb2016/

  • Glenn

    Gerry has said in a new statement, that he has never had a beard. I must say that given the personalities involved I would tend to believe Mr Stack.

  • Declan Doyle

    Shocker !

  • Granni Trixie

    What reason have you for doubting the word Of Austin Stack? Gerry, on the other hand has form, famously for saying he was not in the IRA etc etc

  • Glenn

    What is a “shocker” is that republicans still hang on his every word. He was fraud past, he’s a fraud now and he will be a fraud forever.

  • Declan Doyle

    I am a little curious to know why the Stack family didnt say all this when Adams made it public last february, nine months ago. Putting asside your prejudice Granni, does that not seem a wee bit odd to you too?

  • Declan Doyle

    People of Louth, West belfast and in fact a half a million other irish voters disagree too. They must not have your intellectual insight.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    Mick fealty: enemy of the peace process.

  • mickfealty

    Well, that’s fine then.

  • mickfealty

    Well, the Provos did kill his dad. Then lied about it. For a very long time. 30 years in fact.

  • Jollyraj

    Curious indeed that Republicans never really seem to give a hoot when innocent Irish people, even Catholics, are/ were killed – as long as PIRA were the ones doing the killing.

  • Declan Doyle

    Damned Democracy !

  • mickfealty

    Oh, so we vote on justice, the rules of evidence, etc, now do we?

  • AntrimGael

    I have the utmost sympathy for the Stack family but their father’s death, like Jean McConville and Jerry McCabe, is shamefully being used to berate Sinn Fein and hold back their political progress AND I am certainly no defender of the Shinners. Unless there is a truth and reconciliation process that treats all sides, and victims, as equal the vast majority of Nationalists and Republican’s will just pour scorn on this mock indignation and heirarchy of victims charade.
    While the British continue their cover ups around Pat Finucane, Rosemary Nelson, McGurks Bar, Ballymurphy and New Lodge massacres, the Glennane gang etc we will treat this singling out and use of individuals for sinister reasons with the contempt it deserves. Successive Dublin governments and the rotten Southern media also deserve scorn for ignoring the Dublin/Monaghan bombs and the 100’s of victims of British State/Unionist/Loyalist collusion. The hypocrisy and nauseating double standards of that that horrible partitionist shower are just vomit inducing.

  • Declan Doyle

    Yes, and more importantly we have a choice when we vote. A substantial choice usually in a packed field, and we choose those we admire and trust to do the whats best for our FUTURE, leaving those with paranoid obsessions on the past to pizz in the wind.

  • AntrimGael

    It’s the selective amnesia that gets me. I had a day off work and with a mate walked all around East Belfast just out of curiosity. In such middle class places like Grand Parade there are big murals and commemorative poppy displays to the UVF and I NEVER hear or see any outpourings of anger and outrage ANYWHERE within the media about things like this. YET a small Republican mural in Carnlough envokes massive condemnations and demands for it’s removal. It’s this one dimensional political and media narrative that is REALLY pissing Nationalists and Republicans off.

  • Declan Doyle

    Its driven in the main by the traditional irish media and political establishment who are in utter panic that they are in decline. Don’t worry about it. These things turn eventually.

  • Dan

    I am a robot, i am a robot

  • AntrimGael

    A mechanical malfunction does seem to be going on there. I recommend replacing your oil……with the juice of several thousand extremely bitter Oranges. That should do the job!

  • Declan Doyle

    But why wait nine months?

  • AntrimGael

    Accepted Declan but in the here and now it’s VERY hard to bite one’s lip and remain silent in the face of such stomach churning hypocrisy. As a Northern Nationalist I TOTALLY despise the fawning, invertebrate, cap doffing Southern media and political Establishments.

  • Declan Doyle

    In the 1850s in the immediate aftermath of genocide, the Irish saw no choice but to leave or remain choked under the British imperialist boot. 70 years later we won our own state, an imperfect creation but a state all the same. It looked as if the North would be stuck under British dominance and fascist Unionist rule but 50 years later their fascism and military brute were stuffed down their necks. Today almost 50 years later the once backward impoverished Irish state is one of the richest countries on the planet with a former IRA man as joint first minister in the north.
    Now, we are in the final phase, the final push. We always get there in the end it just takes patience and time. You and I will both see a United Ireland, but even if we dont we know that those who come after us will continue that push. So never despair; it was true 50 years ago and it is true today – Tiocfaidh ár lá.

  • Declan Doyle

    if not, a fleg and a drum will have to do

  • Donagh

    You seem to think, like his buddy Ms Cahill, that being a victim of IRA members or associates makes him incapable of telling a lie or untruth about republicans. In reality however the opposite’s more likely.

  • Granni Trixie

    You know you are absolutely right – I will always favour people who suffered from fellow humans misguided acts of violence. There is such a thing as justifiable anger which I think can be applied to the Stack family. That they are making some point agaInst Adams now rather than sooner is really a distractiOn. But keep trying Declan.

  • Granni Trixie

    So you chose to sectarianise even the dead? Or do you subscribe to “legitimate targets ” directive?

  • Declan Doyle

    There is no beed for such agreesion in your tome Granni, its a reasonable curiousity to ask about the delay. Adams himself is not involved in what happenned to mr Stack despite your intimation otherwise. But keep trying Granni.

  • Granni Trixie

    Can you help explain to me why you trust the word of Adams?

  • Granni Trixie

    Both Ms Cahill and the Stack Family have been subject to abuse and lies by Republicans. They are entitled to take a jaundiced view Of anything GA says or does.

    For the life of me I cannot see why you refer to them in other than sympathetic terms.

  • Jollyraj

    “So you chose to sectarianise even the dead?”

    Not sure what that even means. IRA murderers chose, I suppose, to ‘sectarianize’ themselves. Do you expect I would feel sympathy, for example, for an IRA member who accidentally blew himself up when laying a bomb to murder innocent people?

    “Or do you subscribe to “legitimate targets ” directive?”

    Nope. The IRA did – which is why I have no pity for the various characters among their number who were killed in the act of their various terrorist enterprises.

  • mickfealty

    None of us are incapable of that. But Gerry is the one with the record.

  • mickfealty

    Apparently someone leaked it to the Indo.

  • Declan Doyle

    Granni of course they deserve sympathy without question. Iys hard to imagine why anyone would be hard nosed when referring to both.

    But sympathy cannot be allowed to scunder justice and fair process particularly when victims are abused by media and political elites for selfish puposes; or else we start down a very dangerous road.

  • Declan Doyle

    Leaked what? Its been in the public domaun since february. Even irish water pipes leak faster than that Mick !

  • Granni Trixie

    I suspect we are communicating across each other – sorry.

  • Declan Doyle

    So the relatives of the dead are therefore incapable of being mistaken or indeed being less than forthcoming with the truth? Now Isn’t that very convenient for the stirrers?

  • Dixie Elliott

    Look at the thousands of Germans who followed Hitler. The many who voted Thatcher, Bush etc. In fact despite what they did to Ireland many many more vote for FF and FG than they do the Adamsite SFers…

    So what does that say/

  • Dixie Elliott

    Adams protected his paedophile brother Liam and lied about it despite being exposed time and again for having done so yet he touts on colleagues who remained faithful to him and the sheep throw out the same crap that the system is out to get our leader.

    Their leader wants to be accepted by the system. To be part of it.

    Regardless of who gave him the names he still passed them on yet the sheepish followers had the brassneck to call Brendan Hughes and Anthony McIntyre ‘touts’.

    Before you know it they’ll all be lifting the phone and it’s only a matter of who gets to squeal on who the quickest.

  • Jollyraj

    Fair do’s.

  • Declan Doyle

    What that says is people have a choice and democracy works

  • Donagh

    Here Dixie, you’re in no position to call anyone a tout considering you’ve been Tweeting about Adams being a senior IRA member for years now.

  • mickfealty

    Be honest, where’s the balance of likelihood lie do you think Declan?

  • mickfealty

    So what’s Gerry on about then: https://goo.gl/a2cNP5?

  • Declan Doyle

    What part has you confused?

  • Dixie Elliott

    Exposing someone for what they are isn’t touting, unlike Adams who squealed on those who remained faithful to him.

    If Adams wasn’t in the IRA then he was an agitator who was willing to encourage others to do what he wouldn’t do himself.

  • Declan Doyle

    Its a conundrum alright. And being totalky honest i am more likely to believe mr Stacks version of events simply because his family have been haunted by this one issue for decades and are less likely to be confused.

    On the other hand it makes no sense for Adams to blatantly lie knowing full well he is putting himself one to one against a victim and knowing full well which side the media and political establishment will fall regardless of truth.

    Adams, unlike the Stacks has dealt with scores or possibly hundreds of people in relation to legacy pain. Its far more likely that he would confuse his information. I know thats not allowed in these parts as Gerry can only be regarded as murderer or Liar; hopefully time will tell. And hope more than hope, the Stacks will get tgeir answers.

  • mickfealty

    Frankly, I’ve no idea either why he would be lying about this or why he seemingly dobbed in parliamentary colleagues to the Guards. It’s as odd as the proverbial two left feet.

    Trouble I’ve always had with Gerry is that his version of the truth nearly always makes someone else liar, thus the ludicrous two narrative model of speaking.

  • Declan Doyle

    Maybe the Garda investigation will eventually through the correct light on this heat.

  • Declan Doyle

    Can I say this to you Mick. I think we have reached a point where there are so many people in the mix calling for Gerry’s head on so many fronts including media and political opponents of SF that its hard to figure out who is genuinely agitating for the truth and who are really hoping for Gerry’s imprisonment or even Death. The level of assault and attack launched against your average Shinner online would almost warrant a police investigation for bullying, harrassment and incitement to hate if it were directed at any other cohort of individuals.

    We do not know how much of the IRA fell into the hands of dissidents although the police on both sides of the border seem to think it is small but significant. We also know that these groups and individuals have physically attacked Shinners all over the North with one young activist losing an eye and barely escaping death. We also know from police reports that leading members of SF such as Adams and McGuinness have a bounty on their head. Yet despite all this the political and media establishment are happy to try force the Shinners into a unilateral move in terms of revealing legacy information. They are effectively cheerleading for a situation that could put many nationalists and republicans in extreme danger.

    For what? To get to the truth? I don’t believe that and I doubt you do too. I have no idea why this issue concerning the Stack family has become so confused. Unless the Gardai have something in the bag that we are unaware of. But the southern parties particularly Fianna Fail were part of the deal that brought Adams into the political mainstream. They are convinced it seems that Gerry is more sin than soul. So why cant they tell us what they know? What evidence they have on him, even if it was info picked up in the course of negotiations?

    Finally, I cannot see how any of this can lead to comfort for victims. We need to reach a stage where people are willing to come forward and tell their story no matter what part they played in the conflict. However, if the treatment of Adams and SF by opportunistic media and political enemies are anything to go by, its highly unlikely we will ever get to the bottom as people refuse to engage.

    So, is this about truth or is it about something more sinister? I suspect the latter and on that basis I would suggest that victims in the main will never get the answers they so richly deserve.

  • mickfealty

    Not if he continues to hold back on what he evidently told the Stack brothers, and as the Green Book stentoriously instructs volunteers to do. Which is what Martin brought up in the Dail today.

  • mickfealty

    Declan,

    “I have no idea why this issue concerning the Stack family has become so confused. ”

    If you want to see Gerry create some purposeful confusion, try the archive (https://goo.gl/ZRtLyM)?

    JUDGE PHILPOTT: The photographs don’t seem to be in the dock – or in the witness box.

    MS MCDERMOTT: I remember the witness saying something, when he was leaving, about would he leave it there or something, but maybe…….

    JUDGE PHILPOTT: I didn’t see him walking out with anything.

    MS MCDERMOTT: Oh no, I’m not suggesting that he did. There are plenty of copies.

    JUDGE PHILPOTT: That’s not what I’m concerned about Ms McDermott.

    MS MCDERMOTT: No.

    JUDGE PHILPOTT: They shouldn’t have been lifted.

    MS MCDERMOTT: I don’t know where they went. I should say, your Honour, that I’d be applying to make those an Exhibit, D.2, D.1 is all that is in existence at the moment.

    JUDGE PHILPOTT: Well you don’t need them in the witness box at the minute?

    MS MCDERMOTT: I don’t need them; no.

    JUDGE PHILPOTT: Right, that’s fine.

    MS MCDERMOTT: Unless your Honour wants to ask the witness about them.

    JUDGE PHILPOTT: I just want to confirm, you didn’t take these photographs out.

    THE WITNESS: Yeah, I have them in my briefcase here.

    JUDGE PHILPOTT: You have them?

    THE WITNESS: Yeah, yeah.

    JUDGE PHILPOTT: Well could you get them back?

    THE WITNESS: I will surely, yes.

    JUDGE PHILPOTT: In fact……….

  • Declan Doyle

    The fact that you didnt answer any of my questions effectively answers all of them.

  • Declan Doyle

    Cheap digs help nobody except those who dont want to help the stack family but are blinded by the excitement of getting Gerry.

    Martin also intimated that Gerry was involved in the murder of Mr Stack so I think we can safetly ignore him for the good of clarity.

    There is nothing to stop the Stack brothers providing that informarion themselves if they so choose. The fact is we dont know what info the police have accept what was leaked to the indo.

    Tomorrow things might be clearer but again lets all be honest, unless Gerry says something that either secures himself a lengthy prison term or a bullet in the head, i doubt INM and its friends, along with FF will be happy.