Wondering why no Sinn Fein senior figure is backing the joint legal bid against Brexit?

Just leaving this here….

…let it sink in, slowly?

  • Brian Walker

    I know all types of Irish get excited over the word “royal”. But here it only means the Executive’s power. You might as well say the Queen has the power to say yea or nay to every Assembly Act because it requires royal assent. She doesn’t. But yes indeed the Queen is part of our constitutional arrangements. It was using a mallet to crack a nut over David Gordon.

  • Kevin Breslin

    That’s nice Mick, so former stand in Deputy First Minister John O’Dowd is a division 2 player for Sinn Féin now?

  • Declan Doyle

    In other news, the grass is green the sky is blue and apparently the pope is a Roman Catholic…. zzzzzzzz

  • Redstar

    I had to laugh at the audacity of the Shinners today complaining about immunity plans for British forces. They really need to make their mind up!!!!!

  • chrisjones2

    Come on Newt. Its hypocracy

  • chrisjones2

    Perhaps May could give them all Pardons / RPMs then lose the records down the back of the sofa

  • john millar

    Where are the funds for taking this action coming from Surely not the taxpayer?

  • Declan Doyle

    Kev, last night BBC Spotlight suggested that the First Minister had associated with an alleged extremely violent loyalist UDA commander, who allegedly was part of a gang who allegedly battered a community worker in Clandy, amongst other heinous crimes etc. Now, I know you are not a Shinner but could you imagine; can you just imagine for a moment the headlines on this site and elsewhere if that had of been a senior Shinner alongside a dissident instead of a Duper. Instead we get the above. As her Maj would say, REALLY !!?

  • Jollyraj

    To be fair, let’s use your example to explore this.

    The First Minister was never a member of a violent criminal gang. The Deputy First Minister was – and actually held a leadership role – and even he does not dispute that.

    So it would be newsworthy indeed if Foster was consorting with violent criminals. McGuinness…hmm…not so much.

  • mac tire

    Not only that – Máirtín Ó Muilleoir was mentioned in an online discussion between Daithí and Jamie – cue a few special blog posts. Fair enough.

    Sammy Wilson mentioned a few times in a recorded conversation, in a car, in relation to NAMA which was well reported in Spotlight (a programme always well covered on here when the Shinners are involved) and in the media but we get wind bushes on Slugger about that.

    Quite tiring for many of us who wish to hear a different story.

  • Jollyraj

    I was saying:

    “The First Minister was never a member of a violent criminal gang. The Deputy First Minister was – and actually held a leadership role – and even he does not dispute that.

    So it would be newsworthy indeed if Foster was consorting with violent criminals. McGuinness…hmm…not so much.”

  • Jollyraj

    “A violent criminal gang – even he does not dispute that.”
    Errmm no. Of course he would dispute your loaded terminology. ”

    Fascinating. How do you think he would describe himself and the murdering goon squad he gave orders to? Sort of an inverted Robin Hood story, take from the poor and give to the rich?

  • Jollyraj

    One would hope he would regret the key part played by the IRA in helping to foment the riots, encourage the rioters to attack the army, and the subsequent tactical decision by the IRA to use those civilians as a human shield from behind which to fire shots at the soldiers in (relative) safety. A common IRA tactic at the time.

    One would hope that, but (if I’m not mistaken) I think he lives in denial about that part. As I suspect you do.

  • Reader

    Ciaran O’Connor: Blaming the murdered.
    I don’t think that saying that the civilians were used as a human shield is “blaming” them – it is actually saying they were victims twice over.
    Unless – and I’m curious here – you think that maybe one or two of the victims were in the IRA. I haven’t seen that as an assumption for many a year.

  • chrisjones2

    Oh come on ….its all legal aid innit

  • chrisjones2

    Well he was demoted by SF

  • chrisjones2

    The “Stormont I can look more sour faced and affronted than you” Competition was coming to a tight finish

  • Granni Trixie

    I have ‘little’ time at this stage in the peace process for anyone who resorts to casting up to politicans what their parents did during the troubles.

  • Reader

    Newton Emerson: SF not fronting this with a minister
    SF have put their B-team to work on plan A (opposing Brexit), and are saving their A-team to work on plan B (dealing with Brexit).
    So I suppose now we know how they rate the chances of plan A…

  • Kevin Breslin

    I don’t know anywhere were a minister becomes the Assembly spokesperson on any policy matter. Of the non-ministers O’Dowd is fairly high up.

    There is recorded video evidence of how polarisingly different Sinn Féin’s attitude to this matter is compared to the DUP.

    So I think Mick is being a tad disingenuous to attack SF for effectively not double jobbing on this issue.

    Tonight we’ll probably see John O’Dowd on The View on the border issue talking to some Eurosceptic Tory backbencher or political welfare payment claimant from the Lords.

    It won’t be Thresea Villiers though because she’s apparently u-turned on some of the assurances she said before the campaign.

  • Skibo

    Reader Ciaran asked JR for his evidence from the Bloody Sunday inquiry where the IRA used civilians as human shields. perhaps you could supply it as obviously JR couldn’t find any.

  • Skibo

    I thought the whole idea was not to rewrite history? Where is your evidence of human shields? Where is your evidence that the PIRA shot anything on Bloody Sunday?

  • Reader

    Skibo – how is that my job? I took issue with the ridiculous challenge: “Blaming the murdered”

  • Granni Trixie

    You’re still doing it!

    Look, ELP has plenty we could criticise her for but why should she have to take on what her father was involved in?
    Let’s draw a line?

  • Skibo

    I see what you were trying to imply but even the fact of saying they were the victim twice over is still implying that the PIRA were actively shooting on the day. No evidence was produced to confirm that.

  • Jollyraj

    Nope, not what I said.

    “Blaming the murdered”? None of those who died were IRA, were they?

    I said the IRA had an equal share of culpability for their deaths. Hardly a new or original point. The IRA conducted their entire campaig using classic guerilla tactics – hit, run, and hide amongst the general population. That meant that the IRA were in effect drawing the civilian population into the crossfire to a) save their own skins, and b) profit from the fallout whenever civilians got hurt.

  • Jollyraj

    Nope.

    Once again: if you’re skulking around in/behind a large crowd of people in a riot situation – and you are waving a machine gun about – you are certainly extremely likely to exacerabate the situation and draw fire into the crowd.

    If you orchestrated the riot in the first place, you certainly share culpability when people get hurt.

    Thus the IRA share responsibilty for the deaths of innocent people. As I say, this is hardly a revelation to anybody – though you are either genuinely surprised or pretending to be, not sure which.

  • mac tire

    “hide amongst the general population…”, ” drawing the civilian population into the crossfire to a) save their own skins, and b) profit from the fallout whenever civilians got hurt.”, “use those civilians as a human shield”.

    Quite, Jolly.

    https://i1.wp.com/photon.si/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/492.jpg

  • john millar

    WHYF are wind bushes?

  • Kevin Breslin

    I just found out the ” Eurosceptic Tory backbencher or political welfare payment claimant from the Lords” is none other than our own David Trimble.

    Well that’s going to be fun.

  • Jollyraj

    Are you suggesting the British army were hiding behind the citizenry to take potshots at the IRA?? Ripe, even for a Republican.

    Though granted the IRA did sometimes brutalize nationalists for associating with British soldiers.

  • mac tire

    I’m not suggesting the British army hid behind the citizens, I’m stating it blankly. I even provided a picture as evidence. There are many more if you want to see them.

  • Jollyraj

    More images might help to shed some light on whatever strange point you are trying to make – yes, please, show us some from your collection.

    I’m somewhat baffled here. Granted, if the army were barracked 10 miles outside of the city in some field they might present an easier target – but I don’t see how they could keep the peace from there.

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