Two polls show good news for Fianna Fail

Two polls out tonight from RedC and the Sunday Times/Behaviour and Attitudes survey show good news for Fianna Fail

 

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  • Zig70

    Seems that Micheal is quietly confident, bidding his time and working on a plan for unification to match the Scottish one.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/interview-micheál-martin-on-restoring-his-party-s-dominance-1.2723890

  • Nevin
  • Zig70

    Cheers, I’m an amateur.

  • OneNI

    Are those vultures circling Gerry Adams or is he always protected by MI5 drones?

  • Glenn

    “People in Sinn Féin felt they should have done better in February’s election and I think they lay lay blame for the poor result with Gerry Adams, whose performance during the campaign was terrible, particularly on radio,” he said.

    “He was weak on the economy, while his call for the abolition of the Special Criminal Court prompted outrage, especially as a deadly feud was kicking off between Dublin’s criminal gangs.”

    http://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsa/irishnews/irishnews/irishnews//news/northernirelandnews/2016/07/16/news/calls-for-adams-resignation-from-within-sinn-fe-in-are-unprecedented–606883/content.html

  • puffen

    Why does this matter, there will not be another election for at least another year,

  • AntrimGael

    Doesn’t surprise me one bit that FF AND FG are still topping the polls. The Southern electorate are the most myopic, self loathing, sure to be sure, we are not worthy crowd in Western Europe. They have been controlled for centuries into what the Establishment of the day wants them to believe and like lemmings they follow suit and do their duty. First it was the British; then the Catholic Church; then two self serving, right wing brown envelope parties; then a rabidly partitionist, anti-Northern media. The Southern populace haven’t learned how to think for themselves, they suffer from perpetual Stockholm Syndrome.

  • AntrimGael

    I wouldn’t bet on it. Micheal Martin is rabid partitionist as are many members of the farcically named ‘Fianna Fail – The Republican Party.’. They are as right wing and anti-Northern as any doff capping, forelock tugging Fine Gaeler.

  • Gopher

    All very well but could someone explain how my taxi fare has now doubled

  • mickfealty

    Keep it going. You are really selling a UI to your Unionist friends and neighbours there AG!!

  • mjh

    Ah, that would explain why they never left the United Kingdom; why every move to legalise contraception, divorce or same-sex marriage has always been defeated by overwhelming majorities; and why they have never in their history had a coalition government.

    I’ve often wondered.

  • Zig70

    I’m no supporter of FF but if you want a UI then nationalists are going to have to act like a nation people. From what I can see SF are the biggest friends of partition, completely divisive and maxed out at 20% of the vote due to their politics. It’s time to form alliances. Join in or get left behind. Martin’s last crop of speeches have completely mis read the northern voter, if they do organise here in 2019, then they will get the message.

  • Glenn

    You forgot to mention the EU. Have a vote on ratifying a treaty, wrong result now go away and have another vote until you get the result the EU wants.

  • Roger

    “Southern”: what parts does that include? Cork, Kerry. Hardly Donegal?

  • Roger

    That aren’t organising anywhere in UK. Are they even talking about it?

  • JohnTheOptimist

    There are two aspects to the polls,

    First, the move back to the center-right as the economy surges, unemployment tumbles, and net immigration resumes (confirmed by the census on Thursday). This is in line with what one would expect. These polls now make four in a row showing the combined FF/FG vote back up to 55%-56%. At the bottom of the recession in 2012/13 the polls showed their combined vote at under 45%, and by the time of the election in February it had climbed to 50%. Now its climbed further. If the economy continues to perform strongly (likely but not certain). I’d expect the combined FF/FG vote to eventually hit 60%-65%, i.e. close to what its been for the last few decades.

    Second, within this larger center-right vote, FF is gaining at the expense of FG. I’m not really sure why this is happening. Normally the party in government would do better. I can think of two reasons, but there are possibly others. The first reason is that the perception (widespread in 2011) that FF had left the economy in a totally ruined-for-a-generation state, with emigration back to immediate post-famine levels, has proved to be false. Growth came bounding back from 2013 on and last week’s census showed that claims of a massive population exodus post-2008 were wildly exaggerated. The other reason is that, whether fairly or unfairly, FG are seen as more socially liberal than FF on issues like abortion and this has antagonised conservative voters in rural Ireland.

    I’m not at all sure these polls mean an election this year. It’s not within FF’s power to force one. They only have around 40 seats out of 160. It would require the support of SF and Independents. These polls indicate that SF and Independents would both lose seats, so why would they support an FF motion to bring down the government at this time?

  • Glenn

    “Gerry Adams is facing his biggest challenge to date as leader of Sinn Fein in the Republic, sources close to the party say.

    A growing number of party workers want Mr Adams to step aside and assume a position such as ‘honorary vice president’ so the party can expand in the Republic.
    A call by the chairman of a Cavan Sinn Fein cumann for Mr Adams to step down was described by sources yesterday as “very significant”. It is the first time that a long-time member of the party has called on Mr Adams to resign.

    It is believed among party members that the call by the Virginia-Mullagh cumann chairman, Tommy McNulty, who is originally from Co Tyrone, is being seen as the start of a move to get Mr Adams to retire”.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sf-grassroots-call-for-adams-to-get-off-the-stage-and-step-down-34889709.html

  • Zig70
  • chrisjones2

    I know…its terrible….over 2 million of them and they dont agree with him / her. One might think that they just are different and dont share his values. But that cant be true because we all Irish

    The voters …..the bastards

  • chrisjones2

    Yeah FF want to wreck the economy twice in a generation!

  • Katyusha

    They should let Mary Lou do the day-to-day party leadership in the south (leader of SF in the Dail, SF candidate for Taoiseach, etc.), and have Adams act as leader of the whole party wothout gettijg involved in the fine details of every day scraps.

    He’s still the most capable of uniting the whole party under him, and was always better at the big-picture strategy than the minutae of parliamentary politics.

  • Zig70

    Most nationalists and a good few unionists would believe that we would be more prosperous under a southern government than the English dole. Especially after the Brexit vote. The recession was exasperated by FF but the blame is squarely on the banks and EU.

  • Katyusha

    Donegal is pretty solid territory as far as SF are concerned, so I doubt it’s included 😉

  • Zig70

    And to add to it FF reunification

  • Croiteir

    Not as solid as SF thought re last election

  • Katyusha

    True. They overestimated themselves there.

  • Croiteir

    That is just the headline, he never said he would run in 2019, (why do you have to keep saying this to people before they actually read what was said?), He just said it was a target, in keeping with the aspiration of Irish unity. MM has no intention whatsoever to enter the northern elections, far better for him to use the north to batter SF and wrap the green flag around him when it suits, can’t be the hurler on the ditch when you are on the field.

  • Glenn

    When Adams and the old guard go where is the command and control coming from???
    Will there be splits and divisions, and who are the likely leader contenders???

  • AntrimGael

    Not in the business of selling it to Unionists Mick, most of them are not going to accept it having been granted their own wee sectarian, apartheid, undemocratic, Frankenstein’s monster statelet in 1921. Commenting on the political Establishment in the 26 counties is another thing altogether. I know the South, with many friends and family there, and I think I have a fair idea how they operate. It’s STILL Civil War and gombeen politics, especially in rural areas. A relative was telling me that there are STILL dodgy goings in at local and national government level and there are STILL political crooks on the take. Look at David McSavage and The Savage Eye which completely ridiculed the place.

  • Roger

    Well they are indeed talking about it. I seem to remember talk like this years ago in Bertie years. It didn’t go anywhere. But FF was in a cosier place back then. Maybe campaigning in UKNI would give it a lift. On balance I predict they won’t campaign in 19.

  • Declan Doyle

    You say that as if you actually believe that a significant proportion of Unionists could ever be persuaded into a UI.

  • Declan Doyle

    Nope, they are just showing that behind all the diplomatic bluster, they are on the same page as Sinn Fein when it comes to the issue of Irish Unity.

  • Jag

    Fianna Fail, coming to a GAA club, Orange Order lodge, council and Assembly near you in the next couple of years.

    So, learn how to pronounce your new political force.

    Fee-Anna Fall

  • eamoncorbett

    Good article John, but for the middle part about the crash in 08, maybe i got this wrong and you were writing about peoples perception about the laying of blame on FF but i certainly thought at the time and still do that nobody was at the till during the shennanigans that went on at the time . The Central Bank should have informed the finance minister about the state of AIB , BoI , IL&P yes but the free for all in the lending department was well known in FF (Galway race tent) and actively encouraged and damn the consequences . Miceal Martin’s dodgy defence about the banking enquiry fiding them innocent is not widely believed and 2 members of that enquiry quit rather than put their names to it .
    I for one believe we aint heard nuthin yet .

  • Zig70

    I hope they do, I think the prospect of joining an SF dominated North may actually be a problem for a southern government which will likely be an FF one in the next Dail

  • Croiteir

    We need to get as many parties to organise everywhere in Ireland, each one doing so will be a nail in the coffin of partition. FF however are nowhere in the north, were are the Fora that were established throughout the north? The leader of the Armagh Fora, ex Portlaoise prisoner Martin McAllister ran in the last election in South Armagh, http://www.votailmartin.com/ and got hardly any support worth talking about. What happened the fora elsewhere. Fermanagh? Down? If they were serious about this move in 2019 they would now be picking their candidates, filling in passport applications building profiles and that sort of thing.

  • Jollyraj

    No doubt akin to the chaos of Game of Thrones upon the death of the Mad King.

  • Jollyraj

    You don’t?