The old fashioned Labour Party faces long hot summer of slow poisoning…

This morning’s Slugger Report went on a bit long, since they’ve removed the wee timer that tells you when you’ve spoke quite long enough. Still lots of good questions and interaction from the audience.

Much of it is about Labour and the sorrows it doesn’t need to seek. Something weird is happening to Labour, and across the ocean something similarly weird is happening to the Republican party.

Of which more later…

  • chrisjones2

    I think its called natural selection. Organisms evolve into an ecological niche. The climate changes, niche vanishes and they go extinct unless they evolve. The Labour party has tried to regress not evolve. Its dead

  • Obelisk

    The Liberal Democrats have been destroyed.

    Labour has been wiped out in Scotland, has UKIP ready to play the role of SNP in England and is facing an existential crisis regarding what the hell they stand for.

    The Greens are…well, the Greens.

    The most vibrant sections of the left appear to be the entryists within the Labour party who seem more concerned with refashioning that party into a hard left protesting platform in their own image than in actually taking power.

    The entire English left has been comprehensively demolished.

    Maybe Labour tried to be too broad? Can they simultaneously be ‘THE’ Left wing party of both Scotland and England? The political culture of the Scots and the English has been diverging for decades with Scotland decidedly more left wing and statist in it’s politics than England.

    To maintain a unified manifesto across the entire UK has left it vulnerable to attack from all sides. Maybe the Lib Dems are in the same boat

    Perhaps they need to rebuild the English left before returning to Scotland?

    And maybe they need to do it together.

  • hgreen

    Here we go again. Hard left? Can you give me any examples of these hard left policies?

  • chrisjones2

    Re nationalisation

  • hgreen
  • Obelisk

    It is clear me to you are willing to forgive all Corbyn’s faults because he says the right things.

    Corbyn cannot lead his own party. And if he cannot convince his own party to follow him he will not convince the people of England to follow him. And no, Momentum does not equal the people of England.

    So he is leading Labour to defeat in 2020, and that means five more years of the Tories. And that is still four years to go. The next real shot at a Labour government then is in 2025. Think of all the damage the Conservatives will be able to do between now and then.

    Corbyn must go because he cannot lead. Even if by some cataclysm he became Prime Minister I wouldn’t have faith that he could do right because he doesn’t have the chops for the job.

    And like it or not, Chrisjones2 is right. Renationalising everything is a hard left policy. Now you may think it makes sense. Hell even I think privatising everything was a mistake.

    But Corbyn is NOT the man who is going to beat the Tories. He is not the man to lead Labour to the new dawn. He is a political idealist quite content to turn the Labour party into little more than a glorified protest movement that, as long as they stick rigidly to dogma and principle, he is quite happy to lead in protest vote after protest vote.

    A true Labour leader should be one not only willing to fight for core Labour principles but able to unify the party around them and hold the government to account and then to build an alternative government that the people can turn to. Some of this means compromise but Corbyn isn’t willing to do that.

    You can admire a man for sticking to his principles. I have no doubt the Conservatives are cheering him on as he does so. But it means not only is he extremely unlikely to become Prime Minister, but that even if by some happenstance he managed he would be an even greater failure there too.

    And his failure to become Prime Minister will be his most damning indictment, just as it is to Ed Miliband. Because each time Labour fails to get into office, it means everyone is left at the mercy of the Conservative party.

  • hgreen

    Nice speech but you didn’t answer my question. Where are the hard left policies? Where has anyone said everything must be renationalised. I think for example BT will be fine.

  • mattwardman

    Like the report, Mick – though too long on this occasion.

    You need to swap the promo frame of you seemingly asleep to a girl in a bikini.

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