“The Irish Government will not be negotiating on behalf of Northern Ireland”

In case you were wondering what the Brexit ’10-point plan’ was that the BBC reported the North South Ministerial Council agreed today, it’s in the final joint communique of 4th July [pdf file]

FINANCIAL AND EU MATTERS [Implications of UK Referendum]

8. The Council had a detailed discussion on the potential impact of the UK referendum result to leave the EU. In order to optimise joint planning and engagement on key issues arising following the UK referendum result, the NSMC:

• Agreed to work together to ensure that Northern Ireland’s interests are protected and advanced and the benefits of North/South co-operation are fully recognised in any new arrangements which emerge as regards the United Kingdom’s future relationship with the European Union; • Noted that there are a number of priority areas where implications arise, but particularly including:

• The Economy and trade

• Northern Ireland and British Irish Relations

• The Common Travel Area

• The EU.

• Agreed that a full audit will be undertaken in all sectors to identify the possible impacts, risks, opportunities and contingencies arising in the phases preceding and following the UK’s withdrawal from the EU;

• Agreed that this work will in turn be submitted to ministerial sectoral meetings for consideration as to the strategic and cross-cutting issues arising and that final priorities will be agreed by the next NSMC Plenary for both pre-negotiation and negotiation phases;

• Agreed that a further discussion on the implications of the referendum result will take place at the next NSMC Plenary;

• Agreed that the NSMC can provide a useful forum for ongoing discussion on relevant matters;

• Re-iterated the joint commitment of the Irish Government and the Northern Ireland Executive to the successful implementation of the PEACE and INTERREG programmes, and agreed that the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform and the Northern Ireland Finance Minister will consider the issue of securing the ERDF funding for PEACE and INTERREG, including through engagement with the European Commission;

• Agreed that the frequency of the briefings on relevant EU matters provided by the Irish Government for senior Northern Ireland officials should increase and include consideration of issues arising from the referendum decision;

• Agreed that the Irish Permanent Representation in Brussels and the Northern Ireland Executive Office in Brussels will continue and intensify their close working relationship; and

• Noted and welcomed Prime Minister Cameron’s clear commitment to engagement of the Northern Ireland Executive in the United Kingdom’s negotiating process with the European Union.

No mention of the apparently aborted proposal for “a forum to work on all-Ireland issues in the wake of the UK’s decision to leave the EU” – prematurely welcomed by the SDLP leader, Colum Eastwood, and the Northern Ireland deputy First Minister, Sinn Féin’s Martin McGuinness.

The Northern Ireland First Minister, the DUP’s Arlene Foster, pointed out at the NSMC press conference that the idea “was not discussed” with her ahead of the meeting.

As the RTÉ report notes

Enda Kenny wants to set up an all-Island forum to discuss what position to adopt in the exit negotiations between the EU and the UK.

But speaking at a press conference this afternoon the Taoiseach said that idea was not discussed at this morning’s North South Ministerial meeting.

First Minister Arlene Foster also said she was not consulted on an all-Ireland forum to discuss the implications of the UK leaving the EU.

She said there are a number of mechanisms already in place and another forum was not needed.

The SDLP and Sinn Féin both support the idea of an all-island forum, but the Democratic Unionists have said the [Irish] Government cannot speak for the region in any forthcoming negotiations.

Some 56% of voters in Northern Ireland wanted to stay within the EU while 44% opted to leave.

Overall the UK voted to leave the EU by a slim majority of 52% to 48%.

During an appearance on BBC’s Sunday Politics, the DUP’s Jeffrey Donaldson was adamant that the future of Northern Ireland should be decided by the UK government and Stormont Executive.

“The Irish Government will not be negotiating on behalf of Northern Ireland – it will be the UK government and the Northern Ireland Executive will be part of that,” he said.

And the Irish Government can have whatever discussions it needs to have with the Northern Ireland Executive…

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  • Obelisk

    The DUP voted for leave not because they are interested in making Northern Ireland ‘work’ (which is mission impossible anyway) but because they allowed a sense of British parochialism to overwhelm their judgement.

    The economic benefits, for Northern Ireland at least, of remain were so obvious that to vote leave is a clear case of heart overruling head.

    In that scenario, the DUP’s desire to make the border ‘more real’, in order to clearly differentiate between them and us, is why they supported ‘Leave’.

    Mike Nesbitt was aware of the dangers of a ‘leave’ vote to the Union and to his credit he campaigned for a remain vote, but in the brave new world I would be very surprised if he would allow himself to be accused of selling out the Union by participating in all island forum so he won’t sign up. Yes, accused by the people who helped deliver the biggest body blow to the Union since partition but in their mind they’ve done an amazing thing.

  • Kevin Breslin

    So what if they have a British parochialism …they are denizens of the island of Ireland whether they like it or not and by not going to an all-island forum … when they are SO happy to take St Patrick’s Day visits and international business trips with the Irish delegations … gives the message that showing up to these events they are feeling really insecure about the state of the Union.

    Consider how much authority the DUP could have going to a body like this and standing up for what they believe in. They were all too happy to go to Europe to make their case for 43 years when they didn’t like it!

    We have heard so much about Reverse-Greenlands … such a move could make Arlene look like a Reverse-Sturgeon. Nichola isn’t afraid to play the Tudor Rose card from time to time, despite a desire to separate her country from England.

    And sorry, frankly I disagree on Mike Nesbitt.
    The participation of the McGimpseys in the New Ireland Forum didn’t result in either being accused of “Selling Out the Union”

    Unionists have attended Dáil Éireann implementation group committees too.

    They would get more respect for showing up and deciding it was a pointless exercise than dismissing the issue our of hand entirely.

  • Thomas Barber

    Why should they support Northern nationalists financially, the squatters have to pay some sort of rent and its the height of ignorance to think every single nationalist is claiming the dole.

  • Thomas Barber

    This is im sure pretty hard for you to understand Chris but the Irish government speaks and represents both in Ireland and the EU all irish citizens including those who were born and live in the British controlled part of Ireland and will continue to do so if the UK eventually leaves the EU.

  • chrisjones2

    Yah. Just ignore them and plough on. That will really work and foster good relations

    Were you ever in the DUP under Papa Doc?

  • chrisjones2

    So what if they have an Irish parochialism …they are citizens of the UK whether they like it or not ………..

    etc etc etc

    Waffle waffle waffle

  • chrisjones2

    Really? evidence?

    NI is part of the UK. Its currency is Sterling. Its economic system and tax system and eductaion system and political system are all UK based. It is funded by the UK

  • chrisjones2

    Wow …not a single answwer

  • chrisjones2

    You vote for other parties or candidates

  • chrisjones2

    “The political landscape fragments, the old certainties crumble, nothing to worry about.”

    Ah callow youth.

    In my near 70 years i have lived through the rise of communism, the death of empire, the cold war, the hot wars in South East Asia, the rise of Labour in the 1960s and its collapse in the 1970s, the collapse of communism, the Iraq wars various, terrorism from the PLO, Hammas, Libya, Red Army Faction, ANC, IRA, Frelimo, Pol Pot, the collapse of communism, the rise of Europe, the economic regeneration of Japan and Germany and China, the end of Dev and the loosening of the Church’s vice like grip on the lives of the Irish People, the end of the old Unionist regime, the Celtic Tiger, the Celtic Pussy Cat with a touch of the mange, 30 years of terrorism and the slow emasculation of the SF / IRA, the assembly, the collapse of the assembly, the regeneration of the assembly ,

    Now against all that background a Democratic vote to leave the EU is diddly squat. Get over it., The UK soon will

  • John Collins

    Sir
    Your as pompous as your non de plume suggests. You were democratically voted out of ROI in 1918, but when your people did not accept the election result you had then to be forced out. We have had a democratically elected government ever since the early twenties and would never ever vote to return to GB. So less of your ‘rebel controlled’ old crop. When the troubles were at their height in NI SF had only about 3% of the vote in the South, while they had about five times a higher vote than that in NI.

  • chrisjones2

    “Scotland leaving the Union means there is no Union, no Britain. There is Greater England and it’s appendages.”

    There is a Union with Scotland. If it dissolves because the Scots have a fit of economic madness then so be it. The rest remains

  • chrisjones2

    Dont conflate discussing or consulting with deciding

    And the real consulting will be done between the Two real Governments – and make no mistake, both of them want it that way

  • John Collins

    I will remind you that Ian Paisley often combined with ROI Ag Ministers at the EU to seek a better deal for NI farmers. He recognised that GB Politicians did not understand or have any great interest in the problems of NI.

  • chrisjones2

    .. that is their right ….and their problem

  • lizmcneill

    If journeys across the border are delayed because of customs checks, or goods and services which were formerly traded across the border become more expensive or not possible to get, people will start or intensify resenting the presence of a border and considering how it might be removed. This is sounding familiar….

  • On the fence!

    They support the entire country and therefore by default everyone and everything in it for goodness sake!, and I include myself despite the fact that I’ve never drawn the dole in my life.

    You want rid of the Brits who you plainly despise so much?, fine, either get someone else to pay the bills or find a way for us to stand on our own feet financially, then people like me with no great affinity to either side might start to listen.

    Until that happens all your “Irish identity” and British “squatters” is just ideological claptrap!

  • Robert ian Wiliams

    The naked racism on this thread are appalling…and whilst those attitudes persist you will never live up to the colours of the tricolour…. reconciliation between green and orange. There are a million plus Britons in Northern Ireland and yet you still prefer to ignore that.

  • Roger

    We can come up with ever more overblown language. This time it’s “constituent nation”. Try having a look for that in the statute book. UKNI has the same status as the former Ireland. Whatever status that was, it didn’t cause the UK govt to hesitate in partitioning it up and giving its parts new names. Rather like counties are so regularly re-configured in the UK these days. Leitrim and UKNI have a lot in common, though Leitrim is a lot older with a longer history as a distinct unit.

  • Roger

    I’d prefer its name was used instead. I apply the same logic to UKNI.

  • Obelisk

    I wonder if I should read too much into the fact that you spent a great deal of time talking about what you had seen in your 70 years yet as soon as it turned to the future you sort of tailed off there.

    Even if it was a mistake…which it almost certainly was…how telling the past was of greater consequence to you than the future.

  • Obelisk

    It would be a Union in name only. Wales and Northern Ireland are too small to give England much pause.

    In many ways, Wales is too deeply intertwined with England to function separately.

    And I can’t see them listening to Northern Ireland in any capacity.

    They won’t fight for Northern Ireland as hard as they fought for Scotland in any potential border poll.

    Do you think the Prime Minister of the day will fly over to make the case?

    Would we see the equivalent of ‘the vow’ in the Belfast Telegraph.

    Don’t bet on it.

    We matter so little to them that our departure wouldn’t trouble their lightest slumbers.

  • Skibo

    As you have been told before the only negotiations will be between the EU and Westminster.
    Any amount of discussions can go on outside this prior and during such negotiations.
    Unfortunately nothing will be negotiated prior to Article 50 being enacted.

  • Skibo

    There is but there are those who ignore any suggestion that comes with a tinge of green and it doesn’t take much green to annoy them.
    You try and keep the British naked racism in place and we will try and keep the Nationalist naked racism in place.

  • eamoncorbett

    Two fantastic victories for Arlene in a week , she’s on a roll alright , throw another two pallets on the bonfire.

  • eamoncorbett

    I’d be more worried about Arlenene’s dream , according to Mark Carney tonite it’s turning into a nightmare , recession beckons, but at least we got our country back.

  • eamoncorbett

    Is the point of your article that change happens everywhere else but couldn’t happen in NI ?

  • NMS

    Absolutely. She has put wee Martin & his merry band of Provies in their place. It is just a pity that there is no plan as to what is going to happen next to Northern Ireland.

    Master (Mistress) of Northern Ireland, she is still beholden to London. I can’t imagine Theresa May having much interest or time in Northern Ireland, a dangerous problem when money needs to be saved & quickly. Too many other problems

  • Oggins

    AAA Chris, Seaan closed your point, but good card playing by arguing a debate with a completely different answer. You should be in Stormont

  • Oggins

    The EU…… they sort of meet regularly.

  • ted hagan

    Thank ye very much your majesteee, uh, I mean Arlene.

  • Katyusha

    I don’t think he cares too much about it being knocked back by Arlene.

    Kenny advances an eminently sensible policy. The DUP refuse it on the basis that they would rather never talk to the RoI if they could help it. Kenny comes back and says, well, I did what I could.

    It’s no loss to Fine Gael, and thanks to the DUP, it required zero effort on their part. They never actually had to make any hard yards in an EU-level negotiation. Win-win.

  • Jarl Ulfreksfjordr

    The point is clear. The past is done and dusted; the consequences it wrought are known. The only lesson it bequeaths us is that change is both constant, and rather unpredictable.

    Ozymandias might have just as easily looked out on a wasteland not knowing that after he was gone it would become a land of milk and honey.

    That’s perhaps one good reason not to chastise someone about not talking about the future as some are doing as if it was already in the bag in shape and form.

    I voted remain hoping it was the best option, as my instinct told me it was. Yet I don’t ‘know’ it was for the best. I’m as much in the dark on what the next 2,5 or 10 years will bring as the most zealous
    Brexiteer.

    However in the unlikely event that you have some extremely modified De Lorean sitting in your garage can you tell me the base rate on 01/3/19, and the $ to £ exchange rate a week later? Thanks.

  • Obelisk

    Ozymandias didn’t have virtually every expert under the sun warning him against a particular course of action either. In place of time machines, we have to rely on expertise.

    Until expertise itself is scorned and we just do what we want because to hell with it. Besides, the future is not murky. The future is, as Mark Carney said today ‘somewhat challenging’.

    So you are only truly in the dark if you wished to be. There were plenty of people willing to give you and informed opinion on what was going to happen. The stuff that has, in fact, already begun to happen…

  • Kevin Breslin

    Two words Unionist Forum.

  • Kevin Breslin

    Glad you took offence, but there really is no reason to.
    I can’t see Arlene going to an all-UK forum of a similar ilk, perhaps she’s just a Northern Irish parochialist rather than a British one.

  • 1729torus

    There is no harm in desiring that broader geopolitical forces drop things into your lap, not unlike say the Baltic states using the end of the Cold War to get away from Russia.

  • chrisjones2

    No …the future is bright and positive. And for us all to grab and take forward

    The downside of Brexit is a pimple on the backside of history. The upside is freedom and hopefully a catalyst for reform in Europe

  • chrisjones2

    Dear heavens man, Wales is far more intertwined with England that Scotland ever was

  • chrisjones2

    Great and where that’s appropriate more power to their elbows …but this is about a constitutional issue first and that must be dealt with at National Level between the two Governments and between the UK and EU

  • chrisjones2

    Well she is called FIRST minister for a reason

    Now drink your Horlicks and calm yourself

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Chris, you make my point pretty much. I’d point out that not simply the discussions but the decisions will be made between the two governments, which is what “Joint Sovereignty” means in practice. And all the other bodies are simply ways of articulating this core issue of agreed joint sovereignty while avoiding the problems of spelling it out clearly.

    But I really would suggest that you read the entire Belfast agreement before dismissing the role the Irish Government plays in its advocacy for those holding Irish passports in the wee six.

  • John Collins

    Yes and congrats on reaching the big 70, I have just arrived at the ‘bus pass stage’ here myself. I still feel that much more co-operation could be undertaken in areas of mutual interest however. Apart from the actual financial benefits that might accrue from these contacts I feel the relationships and trust built up between the parties could not but improve relations island wide. I agree the constitutional issues should be parked for the moment and Sinn Fein are, and always have been, a total hindrance to progress.

  • Jarl Ulfreksfjordr

    The Govenor also said that the BoE’s plan to deal with the volitility in the markets was “working”.

    Fortunately he is more focused on dealing with the situation in a positive way than many other ‘experts’.

    I’m glad I’m not in business with someone who’s attitude and approach is a mix of Dads Army’s Private Frazier and the ghost of Jacob Marley.

    Even old Ebenezer saw the benefit of being upbeat and letting a little joie de vivre into his thinking.

  • Obelisk

    And what is your proof for such in pie in the sky statements?

    After all, you’re very quick to jump on others who promote causes you deem fanciful, yet here you are saying ‘Brexit will be wonderful…because reasons’. The Hypocrisy of your faith in Brexit’s capacity to do good in face of everyone saying it won’t be…and bear in mind these are the same people you will likely reference when you criticise Scotland’s second independence referendum…it’s quite the feat of mental gymnastics.

    So it’s a case”Experts are right when what they say agrees with what I want, they are Brussels lapdogs when they don’t.”

    I don’t believe you.

    I think you just want an outcome that matches your expectations. I think your peddling a fantasy that is at odds with reality.

    The reality is that we are one of the poorest regions in the United Kingdom and the poorest region on the island of Ireland. That is the legacy of the Union.

    The reality that Brexit is probably going to damage trade with the Republic and with the rest of the European Union which is sort of important us.

    And the reality you seem to be desperate to avoid is that Brexit is the biggest body blow to the Union since partition. It has allowed Irish Nationalism to begin reconfiguring the debate on economic lines…and give them a break, I really do mean ‘Begin’ on that measure…AND it has seen support for independence surge in Scotland. The result will clearly be much more in doubt this time…and even IF the Conservative government pushing Brexit manages to convince the Scots not to go through with it, how much more can the Union take?

    Yet it’s all sunshine and roses for you. Everything has changed but somehow for you…what’s all the fuss about?

  • Obelisk

    The Governor’s job is to put an upbeat spin on things and to show a measure of control.

    There is no upside to this. If you want to pretend otherwise, be my guest. The rest of us will suffer through it as best we can.

  • Jarl Ulfreksfjordr

    Hold on a mo! No upside? Did you yourself no post about Brexit giving a boost to those who wish to see a united Ireland?

    Is that not an upside to the minority who desire that future?

    Suffer as you will. Should you do I’m sorry for it, and for any other vulnerable persons who may be negatively impacted. (Many of whom it would seem voted leave – “Iceland shoppers” as one condescending Irish wag put it)

    I’m a democrat, and a pragmatist. I can’t change what happened 10 days, or 100 years ago for that matter.

    For those who seek to march, petition or do whatever, they have that freedom; and good luck to them all. Do whatever makes you happy I say.

    But for pity’s sake get off your horse and let those other four ride on alone!

    As me mammy was wont to instruct ‘don’t gurn over spilled milk young Jarl’.

  • Obelisk

    I want a United Ireland. Brexit provides space to devise a plan for a path to a United Ireland.

    But never did I want it to be accomplished this way, with the economy about to fall to pieces (face it, Northern Ireland is not going to be a priority for these people as long as nothing violent happens) and the Tories preparing for a bonfire of redtape (i.e. worker’s rights) to keep it afloat.

  • Skibo

    Perhaps he can point to an economist who can tell us it will be better or a leader of a foreign country.
    Before the vote they couldn’t find any.
    Anyone wanting to buy euros or dollars better do it soon before the pound drops again!

  • Obelisk

    Isn’t that what I said?

  • MainlandUlsterman

    there will be no all-Ireland forum, and there is no reason why there should be – can we move on now?

  • MainlandUlsterman

    Or because it’s a rubbish idea that goes against the GFA way of dealing with Northern Ireland affairs. Northern Ireland speaks for itself. We also power-sharing for starters and we proceed on an agreed basis.

  • MainlandUlsterman

    don’t worry, they’re just talking up another all-Ireland thing like it’s the answer to everything. Yawn. We move on.

  • MainlandUlsterman

    NI is in the UK by choice and it has to abide by the national vote on this. No “colonial master”, just democracy.

  • Kevin Breslin

    There will be plenty of all-Ireland civic forums commissioned … both nationally and at a party political level. The DUP would be silly to dismiss them at their peril and feel all-Ireland issues are simply reliant on them “picking up the phone”.

  • Skibo

    Amazing how you believe that the ROI government will negotiate with the UK government to get free trade across these islands instead of the UK negotiating with the EU but don’t want the ROI to discuss what is good for the NI with us before they would enter any negotiations. Think that is rather petty.

  • Skibo

    The good idea is an all island forum to discuss what is best for us come the Brexit negotiations. We will not have a seat at it and will be relying on the UK to fight our corner. That never went well before.
    The ROI will be on the opposite side of the negotiating table on the EU group. Would it not be advisable to get them on side?
    Sounds a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face attitude not to garner as much support as you possibly can.
    Unless your real reason is to introduce a hardened border and reduce the trade crossing along with all the cross border cooperation including health.

  • Skibo

    Aye FIRST minister, Hi Martin, hi Martin can I send this message out?

  • grumpy oul man

    And so we should ignore these things, Pretend that the union is not under question by the Scottish.

  • Thomas Barber

    The union is not only under threat from Scotland, that ever increasing number of Irish passport holders in the British controlled part of Ireland is just as much a threat.

  • grumpy oul man

    Oh goody, the Scots gone and of course the Tories being the generous sharing caring types that we know and love will be very concerned about us.
    They look at the money and we will get our fair share the little point that we have no power in Westminster and dont return any Tory MP’s means nothing, they will divert resources from their heartland and instead give it to us.
    It will be wonderful.

  • grumpy oul man

    Yes its where the English have holiday homes and the English let steelworks close down because a deal with China is more important.

  • grumpy oul man

    Land Border with France, where? the tunnel is a tunnel and not really a land border more of a port really.

  • grumpy oul man

    And does not get Taxes of them either or the wealth created by their labor.
    Nor does it get their expertise in the fields they work in.
    If My Tax and National insurance is taken by the British government by what logic do you think that the Irish government should pay my pension or healthcare.

  • grumpy oul man

    You have to excuse Chris, his hatred of Ireland makes him blind to its role in the world, he doesn’t seem to recognize the fact that the Irish government is highly thought of and very effective in Europe.
    He does tend to troll a bit as well.

  • Tochais Siorai

    Roger, on the one hand you prefer the legal name of the state being used when we all know what was meant by ‘ the Republic’. And then on the other hand, you like to go all makey uppey with this ‘UKNI’ stuff which no one other than yourself uses.

    ??

  • grumpy oul man

    there is the little problem of those international agreements that give the ROI say in what happens here.
    That will have to be dealt with.

  • Brendan Heading

    I’m not convinced unfortunately Kevin. It is constitutionally difficult to build consensus around a plan that only involves one out of the two sovereign governments.

    I think you are right that Alliance would participate, but I doubt the UUP would. Unionism would see this as an all-Ireland effort to squeeze out the role of the UK. And they’d be pretty much correct.

    The DUP’s attitude is incredibly frustrating; they’re acting like people with nothing to lose. But I expect no more from them.

  • Roger

    Northern Ireland, United Kingdom region is a bit of a mouthful.

    We’d all know what was meant by the Dublin Republic or the British Kingdom but that’s besides the point really.

    I’ve no problem with the name Northern Ireland. One sees NI bandied about a bit too. I think UKNI underlines the fact that it’s a UK region, not a sovereign state or the like. Although the UK letters added at the front are a little longer; I think they’re worth it. And it’s pretty snappy all the same.

  • Kevin Breslin

    I would be up for a forum of the islands as a compromise … but the problem with Arlene and this forum isn’t a simple matter of fearing all-Ireland dialogue … it’s the fear of civic groups having dialogue and exploring the options avaliable when her party is largely opposed to civic initiatives like the Civic Forum.

  • grumpy oul man

    Amazing, there will be massive changes in the relationship between the the parts of this Island effecting trade between them, remind me what percentage of NI exports go to the republic and vice versa.
    How about movement of people or shared assets, infrastructure do these not need discussed by the people who live here, or are you happy for the Tories to do it for us?

  • MainlandUlsterman

    There is lots to talk about of course and it will be done, through the structures we all agreed – that’s what they’re there for.

  • grumpy oul man

    You mean the cross border structures, involving the Southern Government and the first and Deputy first ministers and civil servants, Now where have i heard that idea before oh yes a minute ago.

  • HerodotusHistories945

    “he UK govt to hesitate in partitioning it up and giving its parts new names.”

    Why should you care? You don’t care about renaming Vardar Yugoslavia into “Macedonia” right? UK should be able to rename any terriotry it wants right. Ireland is just a name after all. You need to grow up and realize names are just names. That what you claim to others.

    “Leitrim is a lot older with a longer history as a distinct unit.”

    You need to stop living in the past. The real Irish an d British disappeared long ago. We should rename Sweden Ireland and France England. Just names.

  • Roger

    While you take a harsh tone with me; I’m not sure why. We seem to be in full agreement. The UK certainly does have the right to name any part of its territory as it so chooses. As does Ireland. As does Macedonia for that matter. I’m in favour of using their names, as chosen by their current governments and peoples. Is that somehow living in the past? Do you disagree with me?

  • Enda

    Since you misspelt my name I thought I’d correct you. It’s spelt Enda, it’s not Edna. Enda is a good Gaelic name, an old Gaelic name. Are you from the emerald isle? I can only assume you are a visitor if you do not have a grasp on some of the native names.

    It’s considered very rude to be a visitor on an Island when you don’t make an effort to learn at least some of the pronunciations of peoples names, no matter how unusual they may seem to you. I hope you’re not planning on staying much longer if you’re going to keep on displaying that level of ignorance.

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