#SluggerReport: The high farce of English politics…

It’s hard to find a cart in Westminster where wheels are not coming off. Yesterday was occupied with the drama of the Labour party trying desparately to get their benighted leader to ‘do the right thing’ and step down, and the beginnings of mass resistance to that Parliamentary heave.

And just as that was coming to a head, out comes the Gove letter.  On top of that there is now open speculation that Article 50 may need an act of Parliament to enact it, so it’s going to get interesting…

PS, I’ll be on Talkback from about 12 onwards…

  • On the fence!

    They had this coming to them since the expenses scandal, well, probably long before that even actually!

    But it wasn’t hard to see that given the number of MP’s supporting “remain”, a “leave” vote was also going to give the UK political system the real good shaking that it was long overdue.

    Just imagine how boring things would be at the minute if “remain” had won!!!!

  • kensei

    Could someone please put the lizards back in charge? You never know what you are missing until it’s gone.

  • IRF

    “Article 50 may need an act of Parliament to enact it”

    Has anyone done an analysis of what the result would be if, hypothetically, each and every MP voted on enacting Article 50, in accordance with the wishes of their constituents?

    I don’t believe it would necessarily fall the same way as the vote did last Thursday.

    For example, all of Scotland’s regions voted to Remain, so if all Scottish MPs voted likewise, that would effectively take over one million Scottish Leavers out of the equation.

    It is said that a MP wouldn’t dare vote in opposite to the ‘mood on the ground’. But even if Labour MP’s in northern English and Midland constituencies that voted Leave – nervous of UKIP eating into their majority at the next general election – were to follow the lead of their constituents (against, in most but not all cases, their personal instincts), it wouldn’t necessarily result in a Commons majority for Leave. Or would it?

    I pose this as a potentially interesting theoretical exercise, rather than a likely future scenario in practice. Of course it ignores the propensity of many Tory/DUP MPs to vote Leave on principle, regardless of the message that their constituents sent last week.

  • John Gorman

    Would SF take their seats for such an important vote?

  • AntrimGael

    If you want loyalty get a dog. The Ides of March in Westminster are creating so much skullduggery that it would take a few dozen hospitals full of surgeons to dig the knives out of all their backs. However it was quite satisfying to see Boris Johnston’s face as he said he wasn’t going to run for the Tory leadership, not through lack of ambition, but sheer vanity. If he had stood Gove and May would have reduced him to a bit part player and Johnston’s ego and ambition couldn’t hack that; once again Boris is looking after himself. As for Labour, well they just look pathetic and irrelevant. All of this mess including Brexit, would have been avoided if David Milliband had been elected party leader. The weak ineffective Ed took over, the Tories won a landslide, Scotland threw the head up and the lunatics have now taken over the entire political asylum. Who said it was only our politicos in the wee six that were balloons and headbangers?

  • Simian Droog

    Heh are you kidding, if you can’t see the reptilian DNA in Farage and Gove then you are blind to the truth! OR You’re clearly working for them.

  • Msiegnaro

    Doubt it, their aim is a UI at all costs – leaving the EU will in their view aid them as all those disillusioned Unionist voters who are pro remain will shore in behind a UI vote.

  • Reader

    IRF: For example, all of Scotland’s regions voted to Remain, so if all Scottish MPs voted likewise, that would effectively take over one million Scottish Leavers out of the equation.
    Irrelevant – it’s like the calculations behind gerrymandering – the trick is to waste your opponents votes in large majorities, and to spread your own out through small majorities.
    The advantage gained by overruling 1,000,000 leavers in Scotland will be lost by wasting 2,000,000 remain voters in England, and that’s *because of* the large remain majorities in Scotland and relatively small Leave majorities in England and Wales.
    Anyway, was this your proposal because you thought it was the right thing to do, or because you thought it would be to your advantage?

  • IRF

    Okay, I see your point, but the vote was so tight that I thought it might go the other way if a detailed analysis was done.
    Like I said, it’s purely a hypothetical exercise!

  • Gopher

    I must admit looking at contemporary events from the perspective of a “6th Century” history student I have been impressed the way things have turned out. The “System”has survived all the stress tests thrown at it so far. Things appear to have settled down to a two horse race and a hard and soft exit which will boil down to immigration. The unwashed smell blood. Cameron, the Labour Party and now Boris have went to the scaffold. Who can placate the mob and get them soundly sleeping in their beds and bring turnout back to around 50%?

  • kensei

    They can’t be lizards. The lizards were at least competent. You don’t avoid showing up in public with your make up off for a few hundred years without competence. This is some new horror.

  • Ben De Hellenbacque

    Does ‘have went’ (sic) appear in your assignments?

  • jm

    I knew you wouldn’t be able to let that one pass!

  • chrisjones2

    My dog is only Loyal while it suits her

  • IRF

    Does what you’re saying lead to the conclusion that, if each MP followed the lead of their constituents, the vote in Parliament would actually yield a greater lead for Leave than the popular vote last week?

  • Granni Trixie

    You mean David Miliband Who didn’t hang around to help Labour – seems it was the top job or none for him. Most damning was when he came across the pond it seems to give interviews about his damning vews on Labour bad election under his brother. Maybe it’s just me but I respect loyalty to family and party more than self interest.
    Just shows that brains is not all you need. I can never see DM returning to pick up the pieces.

  • Granni Trixie

    To repeat a point I made earlier:th current crisis shows up The ineffectiveness of SF abstentionist policy – they count themselves out of a key sphere of influence.

  • Gopher

    My apologies for the grammar, nope never went to school much let alone university but I think you will find the substance is correct.

  • Reader

    I haven’t run the numbers, being more of a BOTE guy than a psephologist, but First Past The Post does tend to scale up small majorities of the vote into larger majorities of seats.
    The wasted-majority factor is clear enough in Scotland, but I have no idea if there is any effect between London and provincial England, so I don’t know if it will oppose the FPTP advantage or reinforce it.

  • eamoncorbett

    No John , can’t swear the oath , they’d have the dissidents pissin themselves.

  • John Collins

    Funny that. As an old boy who have had about half a dozen dogs in my lifetime I have noticed that the male dogs are far more loyal, but possibly less independent.