#Brexit, and the ‘call of the Wild’…

Anyone else feel a bit like the penguins in Madagascar?  

  • Declan Doyle

    Such humour can sometimes be a cover for fear. It can also be a cover when one has discovered they backed the wrong horse. It can also be a sign of destructive arrogance. Sometimes it is just simply humour.

  • mickfealty

    Very wise Declan.. ????

  • Barneyt

    I feel we could have a “revolution” that results in a peaceful reconfiguration of the UK and perhaps Ireland. Then at times I think this is a massive storm in a great big cup that will settle and the UK and Europe will kiss and makeup, even if the UK has to live next door. There are suggestions that England and Wales should leave the UK….which from a NI perspective is like the parents leaving the toddlers at home to fend for themselves when they’re not out of nappies. I do get excited about the possible change that might occur, but then the fear of real trouble kicks in, both political and actual. Any suggestion that partition is be further cemented will I fear trigger an ugly response. Equally should we push towards a new Ireland deal, I fear the convenanteers may re-emerge. If the peguiins were both excited and fearful, then I can’t fly.

  • Simian Droog

    Not at all. It’s very much….


  • Chingford Man

    I feel like a soaring eagle.

  • Twilight of the Prods

    You feel like an endangered species?

  • Chingford Man

    No. With 17 million others, I think we are on the march (assuming that eagles can both soar and march).

  • Twilight of the Prods

    Good. Glad someone knows where we are going.
    What’s the plan then?

  • Chingford Man

    Better ask HMG. It’s the one that will be implementing the people’s will.

  • Twilight of the Prods

    I’m not suggesting Chingford man solves all the country’s economic woes or pulls the UK Union together.

    I’m asking you what you’d broadly envision, to maintain our levels of economic growth and cohesion as a state. You must have an ‘eagle eye’ view of what the new dispensation will look like? You must have had that in your mind when you marked your ballot.

    I think we will gain some state sovereignty, lose some territorial sovereignty (scotland), and be somewhat worse off economically. Ability to influence the international arena will decline. End result of all this- we will have lost the overall power and influence that a govt can wield on behalf of the electorate. Notional sovereignty increases but actual power declines.Why am I wrong?

  • Chingford Man

    You’re wrong because it’s extremely speculative that Scotland would leave with the oil price so low and likely to stay low in the medium term. It also likely to be at the back of the queue for joining the EU as no way would it be admitted until it had proved itself as a stable economy. (The EU doesn’t want any more basket cases.) We won’t lose influence in the world just because we’re out of the EU, in which we were out-voted all the time anyway. We will not leave the UN Security Council, Council of Europe, NATO or the WTO (our participation in the latter will be much increased out of the EU).

  • Twilight of the Prods

    Scotland: You’re right in the the short term…but not the medium term. Scotland is now bound to us because of uncertainty and anxiety – not because of sentiment and common interest or purpose. Sad.

    Its never going to be a basket case. And they’d let it in for a host of political reasons too.

    The EU: we are often outvoted and even more often we are on the winning side. We forge alliances of short or long term interest with other countries in the EU -we lobbied and influenced in its corridors of power. We played hardball when it mattered over schengen and the euro. You present the UK as weak in the EU- it wasnt. Have some faith in your country.

    We were viewed as an atlantic bridge by the US – who were supportive of and valued our commitment to liberalisation and understanding of european security. We have been devalued in their eyes – so one less notch for influence.

    Our presence in the security council looks more and more anomolous. We are largely there because we have a quasi independent Trident. On NATO, we are fine, thats true.

    We cannot project military power as we once did. We can project less economic power now. ‘Soft power’ has been harmed by the events of the last few days – it may recover over a decade or so.

    You still havent told me what the plan, in your eyes, should roughly look like. If the EU was a handbrake, and we will now speed off, where are we going and why?

  • Chingford Man

    Well done to Spain for injecting some reality today into things. Scotland will not be going into the EU immediately the UK leaves and the SNP wins a referendum. It will wait its time in the queue. However long this is, it may take the SNP even longer to come up with a credible economic plan. In 2014, oil revenues were supposed to be crucial in the success of an independent Scotland. With the price having collapsed by two-thirds since then, SNP economics have been totally discredited.

    As for the UK and its supposed influence, the UK has been totally unable to prevent the EU from acquiring many of the attributes of a state. Back in 1975, the Community was sold to people as a common market. No one tried to sell that idea in 2016. That tells its own story about “British influence”.

    Obama may have wanted us in the EU but he’s gone in 7 months. Trump could well be his successor and sees the EU very differently.

    My plan for Britain is very simple: a free trading, self-governing country that is engaged in the world.