Roaring trade in Irish passports… 


Some evidence that IRISH passports (for which read European) are going like hot cakes in certain parts of Belfast…  (Illustration found by a friend somewhere in Andytown)…

  • OneNI

    Apparently there has been a rush for British passports applications too from Polish folk in the UK

  • Mick

    I know there are media reports of increased numbers of interest in applications generally.

    But where is the evidence that “IRISH passports (for which read European) are going like hot cakes in certain parts of Belfast…”

  • Declan Doyle

    Post offices running out of application forms across the North might be a good indication of what’s happening.

  • Evidence?

  • Declan Doyle
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  • mickfealty

    Photoshop evidence do Pete?

  • Granni Trixie

    Pete

    Though I never considered getting an Irish passport previously, I did get an application form on Saturday on Lisburn Rd. The Post Office man said that despite getting in additional stock of forms mine was the last one they had and that he would be ordering extra for next week.
    Only one example I know (and bearing in mind that SB voted for Remain), if replicated around NI amounts to a pattern.

  • Gopher

    It’s a good bonus we can have either passport. If you intend to live on mainland Europe or have bought a property there it’s a no brainer. If the UK is no longer in the Swiss and EU nationals queue at airports I would use the British passport flying into Heathrow. As an aside I’m wondering how any change would it affect transit passengers who don’t leave the airport? I guess all will be revealed in 3 years time.

  • doopa

    But they wouldn’t the same right to claim one? People in NI can apply for either passport – Poles would need to get naturalised in the UK first? Any links for this claim?

  • Kevin Breslin

    Well this is a real vote in confidence in an “outward looking nation” that can “trade with the world”.

    I’m sure the self-obsession is going to not make people flag wave and engage in jingoism but instead make people learn foreign languages, make new connections overseas and gain a sense of serenity that the world doesn’t revolve around them.

  • Gopher

    Its interesting that there is now only a few million English speakers in the EU. Will the Republic switch to French or German or stick with English?

  • Declan Doyle

    Are u doubting the fact there is a rush for Irish passports in the face of evidence? Maybe wait unill Friday, do the research and write something on it so there is no misinformation circulating?

  • OneNI

    No sorry was on Radio 4 yesterday. But I guess they would have be to nautralised – most Polish workers and their families came to NI and GB over 5 five years ago in the Infamous Boom of the late 2000s
    Most people in NI claiming Irish passports have probably been here 5 years too….

  • mickfealty

    It was supposed to be a funny Declan…

  • doopa

    Most educated people in Europe can speak English.

  • doopa

    Don’t understand – “Most people in NI claiming Irish passports…” Everyone born in NI can claim an Irish passport.

  • chrisjones2

    Of course they could ….then they would be speaking only to themselves …;like SF

  • chrisjones2

    Ah come non Mick …in this febrile atmosphere the more loonie posters dont do funny. Its as though their favourite comfort blanket has been stolen or Daddy has admitted that Santa isn’t real

  • chrisjones2

    Which the UK makes very easy and we are happy to allow dual nationality

  • Katyusha

    Even within continental Europe, English is the main language of business.

  • Jag

    Claire Hanna of the SDLP in south Belfast said last Friday she signed three times as many Irish passport applications as she would usually sign on a Friday.

  • Katyusha

    Of course, Pete, SF activists are currently skulking about the Lisburn Road selling dodgy Irish passports. Did you really think Mick’s post was serious?

    On a serious note, if there is a dramatic rise in passport applications, I doubt the passport office will be able to cope. People could be in for a lengthy wait; luckily there’s no urgent need to obtain one in the interim as long as Britain stays in the EU. At this point, it looks like they may be issued before the UK even triggers Article 50.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    In order to trade with the United States primarily.

  • Reader

    What was the rush? The exit negotiations will take two years, and you might have taken that last form that was needed by someone who had a holiday planned.
    Do you panic buy bread when snow is forecast?

  • Declan Doyle

    Soz, didn’t get it.

  • doopa

    Not sure I’d agree with that. Holland for example has one of the highest rates of english speaking amongst its population and yet it the US is 5th and 6th in terms of imports and exports (respectively).

  • Granni Trixie

    Helps me cope with feelings of powerlessness.

  • Alan N/Ards

    We got our passport forms om Friday ( me, the wife and two kids). I never in a month of Sunday’s thought that I would want an Irish passport, but here I am about to apply for one.

    My British passport expires next year, and I was wondering if there is any point renewing until after the UK leaves the EU. How much will the treasury make when the millions of UK citizens have to purchase a non EU British passport?

  • SeaanUiNeill

    The give away is the inflections, doopa. I found when I was in Sweden that certain Americanisms and pronunciations crept in to the English almost everyone under 30 could speak. Its inevitable when their principal engagement with the language is through films and the media. Even if the US is not a primary trade partner, it is the US culture that is engaging the attention of most of those learning the language world wide, not Englands.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Reader, we are in a kind of Limbo where no-one knows just how much might change over coming months, and it may be that the current joint sovereignty “lite” in NI that lets us all have one foot north over the border and one over the water might simply change in some melt down of the GFA, which tacitly used joint membership of the EU to smooth over quite a few things. So, do not put off getting a passport if you really need one.

    And yes, I regularly get snowed in on my mountain eyrie and panic buy bread and milk when the alternative is to get stuck in snow drifts at best or pile up into a dry stone wall as my car ignores the steering wheel on a steep downhill sloping corner. With similar possibilities to follow Brexit it may just pay off to panic-apply for an Irish passport.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    So far……….

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Not just SF themselves “alone” chris……….

  • SeaanUiNeill

    But Gopher, which cricket team will you be cheering on?

  • doopa

    I was responding to your assertion that they speak English primarily to trade with the US. That doesn’t seem to be borne out by the trade ratios.

  • Reader

    Irish passports are nothing to do with the UK, the EU or the GFA. They are issued at the discretion of the Irish Government acting under the constitution. They have been available here for nearly a century and will be available for at least a decade or so to come.

  • Gopher

    As a fan of cricket the English team off course but nobody ever played the game like those great West Indians. If you are from the Republic and any good at cricket you can even get to captain England. The dual passport perk is like representative sport perk if your not up to UK standard you can represent Ireland . If you have to go through Heathrow or a football match you have a British passport. Pretty cool perks for the future.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    Cripes! So does mine. Thanks for the reminder.

  • Jarl Ulfreksfjordr

    Where can all these new passport holders be thinking of going? Is the Republic’s government considering opening tented relief centres on their side of the border?

    Surely the Southern government is not sitting “idly by” in this the nationalists’ hour of need?

    Are we to expect D’gerry (the ‘d’ is silent) to pick up a tin whistle and lead the Irish passporteers to some long promised land, waving their newly-minted travel documents above their heads in Paisleyesque fashion?

  • Kevin Breslin

    80% of the Dutch, Scandinavians and Maltese people combined speak fluent English. It’s called bilingualism.
    Comprenez-vous?

  • Katyusha

    You’d not need a passport to travel to a tented relief centre south of the border. CTA, open borders and all that.

    They’re getting them because it gives them the freedom to work in Europe. Something which is no longer guaranteed for UK citizens.

  • Mer Curial

    The Dutch and Scandinavians tend to speak better English than either the British or Irish 🙂

  • Korhomme

    It is a funny, Mick; and like the best jokes it contains a grain of “truth”.

  • Jarl Ulfreksfjordr

    That’s interesting. Btw, where did you find the information on the demographics of the Irish passport applicants?

  • John Collins

    Charlie Flanagan, the Irish Foreign Minister, has called on people to ease up on Passport Applications, as people who badly need them in emergency situations may not be able to get them promptly, due to the demand.

  • Hugh Davison

    Well, they might go back to imperial blue instead of that purply one so I’d wait with that.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    “Have been”, Reader, but on very different terms since the claim to the entire island of Ireland has been dropped, and, hey, things may change further……….and a week is a long time in politics, as some of us have just noticed.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Perhaps you can assess this on more than one EU country then, as I was not simply referring to a single state!

  • SeaanUiNeill

    At school I used to be put in either long stop or occasionally long leg (on the pavilion side) in the hope that I would perhaps become bored and go away. You’ll have guessed why, I habitually critiqued the play of others…..

    Oh I agree about the West Indies by the way.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Jarl, under the GFA they are still living in a country that entirely supports the holding of an Irish passport already (as well as the right to hold a British passport). That is why I’ve been bringing up the issue of joint sovereignty on other threads on this very point. We are all already in the place where we are thinking of going, if you know what I mean.

  • doopa

    I can’t find a single EU state who’s primary trading partner is the US. Even the UK – it’s largest partner is Germany.

  • Gopher

    So they wont be speaking Irish then?

  • Oriel27

    I was in the post office on the Longstone Rd in Lisburn. Outside the post office and surrounding areas, completely covered in Union Jacks and loyalist flags. Inside the post office, there was a stack of Irish Passport application forms. The post office assistant said that was the second pile today and will have to order more in.

    Loyalist, loyal to the crown and half crown.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    But are you trying to say that the EU has no significant trade with the US? Why is everyone getting so hot about TTIP then?

    Or, perhaps more significantly, that English is pretty much the language of international trade because of the primacy of the US in the big multinationals? I should perhaps have stated that when I use the shorthand “the US’ I’m thinking of the big US led multinationals.

    But perhaps the intellegensia of Europe is simply learning English as an intellectual exercise or so that they may avoid the distractions of sub-titles at the cinema, or even so that they might be able to perhaps make sense of what the English have been up to in the EU until a few days ago.

  • Kevin Breslin

    Thrilóinn mise é

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Give us a few decades Gopher. Perhaps a language test will become one of the stipulations for the issue of Irish Passports ( one should, after all, be able to understand what is written in the passport you carry). Ádh mór ort!

  • doopa

    I’m not trying to argue anything. I’m just showing figures that disagree with your assertion that the primary reason people in Europe learn English is to trade with the US.

  • Msiegnaro

    Where is the evidence of this?

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Doopa, perhaps its just the ones I meet!!!

  • Reader

    You were a media specialist, weren’t you? That would affect your contact list.

  • Gopher

    In a few decades it will be a universal European passport if of course the EU does not collapse first. To tell you the truth I have not even read my own passport so it can say what ever it wants in Esperanto for all I care.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    You’d be surprised who is on my contact list Reader!

  • SeaanUiNeill

    So you are ignoring the lesson we all learnt from Hamlet’s voyage to England……..

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Of course John, thats sensible from one angle, but then so is making sure you have one before any changes are set in motion.

  • Mer Curial

    Sorry for the late reply, but from personal experience the Dutch speak and write English better than many supposedly native speakers 😉

  • Msiegnaro

    Thanks for that informative response.