Martin McGuinness announces new Sinn Fein ministerial team

SF ministers 2x2 May 2016The Deputy First Minister, Martin McGuinness  announced the new names of the Sinn Fein Ministerial team in the Executive.

They are:

  • Chris Hazzard, MLA for South Down
  • Megan Fearon, MLA for Newry & Armagh
  • Michelle O’Neill, MLA for Mid Ulster
  • Mairtin O’Muilleoir, MLA for South Belfast

Not sure of what portfolio’s they will be assigned, will update it when I get it.

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  • Ciaran O’Connor

    So positions are irrelevant yet we just had a successful political campaign by the DUP whose lead strategy was to scare the bayjeesus out of their electorate to make sure MMcG didn’t get the First Minister slot?

    I just can’t agree with your premise that position doesn’t bring power. I think its very hard to split those two. If optics didn’t matter then why did the fleggers go mad when they couldn’t drive by Belfast City hall and not see a scrap of a flag on top of it.

    Sinn Fein have been heavily criticised by their electorate for not forcing reciprocation from Unionism for the positive steps they’ve taken. If Sinn Fein haven’t moved why are their own electorate beating them up over it? And no I don’t think perception alone is going to cut-it in terms of explaining that away.

  • barnshee

    won`t or can`t ?

  • Ciaran O’Connor

    There’s no content to it that dwells in reality.
    Therefore there is no point replying to utter nonsense.

  • barnshee

    “Oh you weren’t involved in the war, not being born and all that, ”

    Question -do you think they were -a good idea –seems fair enough ?

    Simple questions addressed to both Prod and Mick representatives
    Do you approve of/support the validity of the campaigns carried out in you name by (insert chosen murder gang) ?

    The usual claptrap will be spouted

    “from our collective past” Collective -hardly most people did not murder anyone

  • barnshee

    “clean-skin’ nonsense. ”

    I agree totally- Individuals are elected they have a mandate pristine skinned or not. Given they contribute to the (alleged) governance of NI It would seem reasonable to invite their opinion on eg “current events”
    “How do they feel about the latest Republican murder campaign-“

  • Reader

    Careful now. If you go on about it Michelle O’Neill will want a fada too.

  • barnshee

    Barking or not these are the sort of people who get elected

  • Ciaran O’Connor

    “hardly most people did not murder anyone”

    No a lot of people just put a gun in peoples hands with their words and feel that they did nothing wrong.

    I am sure there are a lot of wars that you have no compunction in supporting. I’m sure burning 20,000 kids to death in Dresden from 10,000ft when Germany was beaten is probably acceptable to you. Ducks back and all that.

    Those SF youngsters were not of an age to cause any offence in our war. Therefore they are NOT responsible. Therefore it is manure that they can be in some way be held responsible. They might, just might, have joined politics to build a better future for all of us and maybe themselves to boot.

    Thankfully they are the future and not some of the dinosaurs that troll our politics.

  • barnshee

    The Twaddell costs are not real that`s a relief
    The republican campaigns were cost free?

  • Reader

    Ciaran O’Connor: So positions are irrelevant yet we just had a successful political campaign by the DUP whose lead strategy was to scare the bayjeesus out of their electorate to make sure MMcG didn’t get the First Minister slot?
    And what I said at the time was: “The DUP/SF axis created this issue as a means to blackmail tribal voters into voting for those two respective parties, and thus shutting down other parties.
    It would take a weak fool to be manipulated into dancing to the tune played by such a pair of knaves.”
    In your own way, you did the same just a short while ago pointing out that there is no power difference between first and deputy first minister. When it suits you to do so, you *can* spot the difference between position and power.
    Are you looking for an example of voluntary *power* sharing by nationalist councils or have you given up?

  • Granni Trixie

    update: Given is to be Minister of Communities which takes in welfare and social development. Not a hopeful sign.

  • kensei

    These questions are beyond stupid.

  • Ciaran O’Connor

    “The DUP/SF axis created this issue”

    Nope the DUP created the issue, MMcG said it was irrelevant since there was no difference between the roles. So that’s just plain wrong.

    “In your own way, you did the same”

    Nope, since I agreed with MMcG’s point that there was no difference between the roles. What I was pointing to was perception and the use of it as a means to attain power, electoral power in that instance. Catch up.

    “voluntary”

    Voluntary is your word. “I can’t win that argument but here’s another argument I can win”. And here’s some straw. There is only one decision we don’t really have a choice over and that’s choosing not to die. Pretty much every other decision between birth and bending to the beckoning of the reaper, is a choice. So your choice of the word voluntary is pretty weak. Its always someones choice. There are always alternatives. Nationalists have as far as I can see bent over backwards to accommodate Unionism, receiving pretty much nothing in return. Marty can shake hands and sit down to dinner with the Queen of England in one of her many castles but David Ford from the forward looking candy-unionism Alliance party can’t attend a 1916 event in Dublin. Pathetic.

  • Kev Hughes

    It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times, ay Wullie?

  • Reader

    Ciaran O’Connor: Voluntary is your word. “I can’t win that argument but here’s another argument I can win”. And here’s some straw
    Instead, you originally used the phrases “trying to share power” & “pro-active peace building steps”. If that wasn’t to distinguish voluntary (but pretend ! ) power-sharing from mandatory and reciprocal (but actual ! ) power-sharing then your original point disappears.
    So, have you come up with any instances of nationalists sharing actual power in scenarios where unionists have not?

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Barnshee, does this excellent stricture against the sterile recourse to violence include any support for the old Special Constabulary? As I’d said in a response to Mick just a few days ago:

    “It is also not so clear just how the behaviour of certain portions of the Special Constabulary units drawn from the old UVF in the early 1920s differed from modern Loyalist paramilitaries. As just one example of current academic research Tim Wilson’s fine essay ” ‘The most terrible assassination that has yet stained the name of Belfast’: the McMahon murders in context” in ‘Irish Historical Studies” Vol. 37, No. 145 (May 2010), describes other well attested instances of arbitrary civilian murder by the Specials, as well as organised sniping at the British Army battalions defending Catholic communities in parts of Belfast at the time. Such research shows us that the ugly behaviour of those invoking the name of the UVF during the recent troubles could call on earlier presedents amongst those nurtured within the original UVF itself.”

    For consistencies sake you may have to perhaps utterly condemn the entire apparatus of the NI Statelet from its inception also.

  • Giorria

    Very good 😀 Or We could have Michelle Nic Giolla Mhín -Daughter of the smooth or gentle lad

  • Thomas Barber

    Is any of what I said above much different than what your links say Pete.

  • Thomas Barber

    No and No Jolly and I doubt ex Sinn Fein politicians get the pensions either if they recieve one.

  • barnshee

    “Therefore they are NOT responsible.”

    Fine – tho issue avoided -how do they feel about the efforts of their predecessors ?

    “I’m sure burning 20,000 kids to death in Dresden from 10,000ft when Germany was beaten is probably acceptable to you. Ducks back and all that.”
    Dreadful tho A bit then like Coventry- + the V1 V2 attacks on London ,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

    ” the German government ordered its press to publish a falsified casualty figure of 200,000 for the Dresden raids, and death toll estimates as high as 500,000 have been given.[11][12][13] The city authorities at the time estimated no more than 25,000 victims, a figure that subsequent investigations supported, including a 2010 study commissioned by the city council”

  • Jollyraj

    No wonder they struggle to attract real talent then.

  • Ciaran O’Connor

    I believe they just put an independent unionist into the contentious justice ministry. There were options. They could have brought a civvie in to do that role instead. Given the history of Unionist abuse of policing and justice powers in the statelet that was a very brave power-sharing step by Sinn Fein, which they didn’t HAVE to take.

    You do keep up with current events, yes?

  • Ciaran O’Connor

    Churchill called Dresden terrorism in a letter to the head terrorist himself, Bomber Harris. Aptly named, no? Seems you’re quite happy with terrorism if its your uniforms doing the terrorising -(sorry legitimate carpet bombing of civilians to create a firestorm wherein somewhere between say 7,000 and 20,000 children were burned to death).

    Unionism and hypocrisy go together like strawberries and cream.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Barnshee, are you actually offering a whataboutery justification for the targeting of civilians above? If one goes in for comparative evaluations instead of simply seeing the targeting of civilians as a breach of the Hague Conventions and consequently a war crime, then the twenty thousand and more dead (many women and children refugees from Russian policies of rape during their advance) compares interestingly with the 568 dead at Coventry. That one series of raids on Dresden harvested half the casualty figures of the entire pattern of “Blitz” raids on Britain, and as Ciaran mentions below, even Churchill was prepared to call it “Terror Bombing”.

    I have consistently suggested that the intentional policy of ignoring the Hague Conventions’ rules against the intentional targeting of civilians set a striking precedent for all the small scale terrorism which has ensued since the end of WWII. If it is acceptable for a state to intentionally target civilians in the course of warfare, then those who aspire to creating a new state by revolution may readily claim similar freedom of action in ignoring the rules of conflict set by both the Hague and Geneva Conventions .

    Personally I abhor all violence, but especially that intellectual hypocrisy which sanctions acts of atrocity out of “necessity” in time of conflict. It is clearly inconsistent for anyone to believe that it is a matter of pick and mix morality, where it is wicked when done against one’s own side, but legitimate when done by one’s own side. If Britain’s bombing of Dresden was legitimate warfare, then on what moral grounds do you question similar actions on a much smaller scale by Rebublicanism? Personally I question both the morality and efficacy of both utterly.

  • babyface finlayson

    Clockwise or anticlockwise?

  • SeaanUiNeill

    The name Ó Néill, Léitheoir mo chara, has come to Michelle through marriage, as she mentioned to me one of the last times we spoke, and I invoked our “shared princely antecedents”.

  • barnshee

    “If Britain’s bombing of Dresden was legitimate warfare, then on what moral grounds do you question similar actions on a much smaller scale by Rebublicanism”

    Or the similar actions by the Prods — Dublin –Monaghan?
    They were ALL fundamentally WRONG

    I

  • barnshee

    See above

  • barnshee

    How did it go so wrong?

  • barnshee

    “For consistencies sake you may have to perhaps utterly condemn the entire apparatus of the NI Statelet from its inception also”

    More than happy to condemn any and all “apparatus of murder”

  • barnshee

    Or you lack the intellect to answer them?

  • barnshee

    Neither nationalists nor academic apologists will ever be able to get past the dead bodies dumped by the old IRA or Provo IRA.

  • Kev Hughes

    Ah, you completed a legible sentence!

  • SeaanUiNeill

    I’m delighted to find us in agreement on this matter, banshee. My grandfather, who had been a gunner in the Great war, and commanded anti aircraft batteries in the defence of Belfast in the next war, and was not a pacifist, would still have been the person from whom I’d inherited the understanding of the British targeting of civilians was a clear breach of the Hague Agreements. ANY targeting of civilians was considered by him to be an atrocity and not a legitimate act of war. And also by many other honourable people, such as Vera Brittain whose 1944 book “Seeds of Chaos” clearly outlined how such actions brought the British war effort down to the very same level as the Nazis. We have all been sufferers since from the failure of the more powerful to hold to such people’s higher moral standards.