What is it that our media don’t ‘get’ about social media…

It’s part of my day job to advise on how to engage with social media. For the most part and for most institutions, it is a largely upbeat story. But for politicians, well, it often gets a little complicated.

It used to be that only our journalists got intense lobbying from party press offices. Now it’s as likely to come via the soft power of Twitter and Facebook.

So today, Mike Nesbitt, clearly getting a little exasperated with some corporate spin, posted this…

It’s a good quote. Goebbels was a consummate and professional liar who was sufficiently confident in his trade to let the truth slip about the reality of propaganda.

But in Northern Ireland, that’s offensive, apparently. When asked for a response the UUP press office said quietly…

“The point is people spread lies using social media.”

To which, and risking similar opprobrium for the near Nazi reference involved, the only proper response is…

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  • Lionel Hutz

    Hahaha.

    Well I was listening to evening extra yesterday when the story was mentioned. And they said one party has come out to condemn Nesbitt on this. And I knew before it was confirmed that it would be Alliance, who love nothing more than to get on their high horse about nonsense like this……and for some reason I thought it would be Stewart Dickson, though I really have no idea why.

  • Ian James Parsley

    The real issue, of course, is that there are countless people you could quote to emphasise that mis-truths often become perpetuated.

    Why you would choose a fascist mass murderer is a total mystery.

    As it happens, it is also a misquote and a misunderstanding, so it doesn’t even make Nesbitt’s point. The very point of the passage from which the (mis)quote is drawn is that the State must tell big lies in order to suppress divergent opinion – quite the contrary of what anarchic social media enables…!

    So if you’re going to quote a Nazi… actually, just don’t.

  • WindowLean

    He really should have quoted Stalin or Mao to avoid offence.

  • Declan Doyle

    Absolute drivel and nonsense again, similar to Adam’s N word slip the quote was an effort to drive home a point without actually using it to direct insult, offense or accusation at anyone. We seriously need to get over ourselves.

  • Msiegnaro

    This nonsense is down to the LAD Facebook page, they tried to run this as a parody against Mike and it backfired with even their own members questioning LAD’s judgement.

    Nesbitt wanted to use the arch propaganda minister Goebbles to illustrate his point and he made it effectively. Why should people be censored from using Nazism as an example – sounds quite fascist to me.

  • Teddybear

    The funny thing, many Corbyn supporters quoted the exact same thing in defence of Corbyn during and after his leadership win against his detractors.

    Yes they all got away with it. But if someone who doesn’t wear a Che Guevara t shirt makes the same quote, all hell breaks loose

  • Teddybear

    True. All censorship is fascistic. That’s why I am scathing off so called ‘liberals’ who want to ban words and freeze people out through travel bans and no-platforming.

    An increasing cold house this western society is for the old fashioned, the Christian, the Jewish and other conservative minded people.

    Athiests, ‘pro choicers’, LBGT agitators have taken control of the gears of social and modern media and have shaped many a brain in the West.

  • Msiegnaro

    I think that was the point, it’s misattributed to Goebbles as the Mosque allegation is misattributed to Nesbitt.

  • Croiteir

    The first thing the left in particular seek to do to any opposing voice is to close it down. The left do not do respect.

  • Msiegnaro

    One annoying example of censorship was one of my favourite Disney movies (Song of the South) being banned as it promotes racism. In fact it doesn’t but what is did do was present an intelligent man with wisdom who happened to be black in the lead role of a 1940s movie which was unheard of back then, however this is forgotten in the less enlightened times of today.

  • Sharpie

    Well he should know by now: using the right cliché in time saves nine.

  • Gopher

    Perhaps because he was an an acknowledge genius in Propaganda and arguably amoral. As for the provenance of the quote it’s much the same as the one attributed to Goering on culture, purely apocryphal. Don’t see the problem with Mike or anyone else using the quote if they feel they have been slighted. The only criteria here is does the quote match the perceived slight not the quote in itself.

  • AMORR86

    Alliance do love going nuts just for the sake of it. Their humourless approach to the world is probably why 9% of their previous voters abandoned them at the the start of the month. Of course their leader did try to make a joke, this is how it turned out: ‘Buying clothes, what’s that? That’s what you have a wife and daughter for!’ No surprise Stewart Dickson didn’t complain about that one.

  • AMORR86

    Social media is a great indicator of what is NOT the general opinion in NI. Given all the hot air that was blown on Twitter you would have thought that the ‘Other’ tribe would have greatly dented the four main parties in Northern Ireland, especially socially conservative ones. Turned out, as per GE2015 to be a great pile of rubbish.

    The phenonomen was well summed up last year in The Guardian – itself something of an echo-chamber (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/11/tweet-socialist-paradise-election-changed-that).

  • Pete

    The recent assembly elections should serve as a reminder of how ludicrously out of touch Twitter is with the population at large.

    While this may seem a trivial issue, “Twitter witch hunts” can have real world consequences, for example somebody getting sacked, as companies bow to the pressure of a loud, arrogant, self-righteous, unrepresentative minority.

  • Gopher

    I don’t think it was Athiests or Pro Choicers who banned ELO from the Ballymena Showgrounds

  • colmh

    To be honest I thought Tony Blair was the originator of that quote….

  • Msiegnaro

    It seems like some of our anti Alliance posts have em yes you’ve guessed it – censored.

  • Teddybear

    I do think rock and roll has been a terrible influence on society on so many levels.
    It divided the generations
    It espouses moral laxness
    It promotes sexual immorality and has led to infedility and extra marital relationships amongst those who ape the lifestyles of pop stars
    It promotes sexual stereotyping and objectifying of women. In many modern cases, pornography

    I could carry on.

  • notimetoshine

    I really can’t tell if you are being serious or not? Usually I would assume no but in NI there is an abundance of slightly odd moralists about…

  • notimetoshine

    True but then when the opposing voice is spouting g hate filled crap about you, one tends not to be too sympathetic to their views

  • notimetoshine

    Hmmm you mean a cold house for people who hate? I do so love when ‘conservatives’ complain about LGBT activism especially, anyone would think that queers run this country, and aren’t a hated and reviled minority. I’m sick of these queers who run everything and who refuse to let us ‘normals’ get on with things the way our dear lord imagined.

    On a serious note if you really think that LGBT trying to get treated like human beings is wrong, there is no hope for you. And I would remind you that we live in a place where prominent politicians can quite happily refer to gay people in the most dehumanising and vile language and still stay in office and get cheered for it. Freaks, sick, abominations, evil, paedophiles, ring a bell? Hardly indicative of a society dominated by the liberal agenda.

  • Gopher

    So you stick a Chuck Berry Album on and your chances of straying from the wife increase?

  • Teddybear

    I am v serious. I used to be one of those dupes who fell into many of the categories I listed. I know rock and roll is fun etc but take a closer look. For example, the Belfast A&e departments are full of drunk (some dangerously so) teenagers who attend Belsonic. I’m sure it’s the same the world over. Is that we want for our young?

    It hasn’t been a good societal influence

    I am v serious in my convictions.

  • Teddybear

    I’m tired of Christian people being punished for not enabling sin such as hoteliers and bakers etc.

    I’m tired of children being now encouraged to question their gender.

    I’m tired of children being brainwashed into accepting that the heterosexual relationship is equivalent to others

    I’m tired of people being told that killing unborn human beings is ok.

    It’s not hate to say what I’m saying. I find it all unnatural and illogical and will only further breakdown of cohesion and increase of moral confusion.

  • Teddybear

    Facile to put it like that. Try this: married people go to a rock concert and get tipsy and dance. Th wife or husband starts dancing with someone other than they one they’re wed to. Cue sexual frisson. I’m sure you can fill in the rest.

  • Gopher

    So should we ban music like ELO to save people from themselves

  • eamoncorbett

    I’ve played Rock n Roll all my life and none of those things have happened to me yet , but I remain an optimist .

  • notimetoshine

    Oh for crying out loud. This is the problem with this country, sick twisted people who can’t accept others are born different simply because they are so intellectually limited, that they couldn’t possibly think for themselves.

    I should imagine the enlightenment passed you and your ilk right by

  • eamoncorbett

    The Duckwalk could be construed as being dangerous if not performed properly .

  • Croiteir

    You lament one section of the population being subject to vile and dehumanising language and yet indulge in it against others?

  • Croiteir

    Not worried about the lack of sympathy. It is the nature of its expression. For some reason the left is always in fury mode.

  • Ernekid

    Fair play to you for managing to get an internet connection in 1956, which judging by your attitude is the year your’e living in

  • Ernekid

    How do you feel about Jazz is it too Negroid for you liking? What sort of music do you listen to on the Victrola during the evening? Ian Paisley reciting Psalms over and over?

  • notimetoshine

    And so they should be. I can barely contain my fury when I hear some of the crap people seem insistent upon levelling against me and people like me because of something inherent in ourselves. There is a limit to how much one person can take.

  • hgreen

    Ha ha. Maybe that’s because the rest of the population neither have the grammar or computer skills to participate in social media.

  • notimetoshine

    Well maybe my section of society have been dehumanised and reviled for some long both in action s and words that it has worked and now we fight fire with fire.

    Of course it may also simply be giving them a taste of ther own medicine.

  • hgreen

    I think the Trump phenomena, tea party and picketing of family planning clinics kind of torpedoes your lazy argument.

  • Nevin
  • scepticacademic

    #spiritofmarywhitehouse 😀

  • Croiteir

    I don’t think it does

  • Croiteir

    You can hardly complain then

  • Jag

    Mike Nesbitt – Ballymurphy Nazi

  • hgreen

    Is there an approved list somewhere of people we should never quote on social media?
    It all comes down to the context in which the quote is made.

  • Ben De Hellenbacque

    Yup, it smacks of overkill and is hardly a relevant response to pesistent rumourmongering or even a smear campaign. Whatever he was responding to it’s not exactly the lies of a totalitarian state, which is a lot more of a sinister concept. It smacks of an extreme frustration with the very familiar Norn Irish ‘we’ll believe anything that suits us’. He might want to get his own house in order if he wants to see a cleaner, more trustworthy unionism.

  • Gingray

    Surely not on Slugger?

  • Gaygael

    Let’s not over-rely on social media. However the point needs to be made.
    In 2011, the big 5 parties got 92% of the vote between them.
    In 201, the big 5 parties got 84.8%.

    That’s a collective drop of -7.2% and almost a doubling of the non big 5 vote.

    In addition, the ‘Other’ tribe, if we say its Alliance, Green, PBP, Workers, CISTA, Left Alternative (Socialist Party in 2011) and Labour rebels, got 9.7% in 2011. This time they got 12.8%

  • Gaygael

    That’s right. The right are renowned for their tolerance. Like denying women the vote and equality. Locking up and pathologising people of minority sexual orientation and gender. Blocking racial and ethnic equality.

    I just want the same rights and responsibilities as my siblings.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    I thought it was Lenin.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    Teddybear

    I quite like this chap (SHOCK!) and you might too, there’s just one ‘unusual’ thing about him (you can work it out for yourself).

  • Gaygael

    Your entire narrative is false.

    No hoteliers or bankers are being punished, rather they are being told that their faith is not a get out clause for equality laws.

    Some children question their gender. Those children should be supported and provided the right care. I don’t see how anyone can have a problem with this. Not providing support means the children go on to experience intolerable levels of suicide and self-harm.

    Why is my same-sex relationship not equally valid to yours under the law of the land. I defend your faith and its right to not view it as such, but I abhor your belief that the law should only reflect your understanding of faith.

    As for reproductive justice for women, there is an argument that we could have. I trust living breathing women over a foetus every time.

    Homosexuality is observed in almost all animal species. It is de facto, natural. Homophobia and hate of lgbt people is unnatural. You can be helped to unlearn it.

  • Gaygael

    I am really looking forward to some dissecting Alliance’s election. Long was on talking about 11-14 seats. Ford was clear on 11. Their vote fell by 0.7% since the last assembly election. It is down 1.6% from Westminster last year.
    Someone?

  • Gaygael

    Milo needs to do a lot of work on his internalised homophobia.

  • Gingray

    From the 2011 Census, % from a Protestant background by NI Assembly Constituency, with Alliance vote and seats in brackets:

    Belfast East – 75.40% (28.7%, 2 seats)
    North Down – 74.44% (16.8%, 1 seats)
    Strangford – 73.13% (10.7%, 1 seats)
    Lagan Valley – 72.88% (9.5%, 1 seats)
    East Antrim – 70.11% (14.6%, 1 seats)
    North Antrim – 66.03% (3.2%, 0 seats)
    South Antrim – 59.80% (8.9%, 1 seats)
    East Londonderry – 53.27% (3.7%, 0 seats)
    Upper Bann – 49.99% (3.1%, 0 seats)
    Belfast North – 45.67% (7%, 0 seats)
    Belfast South – 43.65% (16.4%, 1 seat)
    Fermanagh & South Tyrone – 39.10% (1.1%, 0 seats)
    Mid Ulster – 30.78% (1.2%, 0 seats)
    Newry & Armagh – 30.59% (1.0%, 0 seats)
    West Tyrone – 30.16% (1.3%, 0 seats)
    South Down – 26.85% (5.4%, 0 seats)
    Foyle – 22.02% (0.6%, 0 seats)
    Belfast West – 17.95% (0.8%, 0 seats)

    North Belfast was maybe their most promising for a future election, South Down too, but other than that there is a very noticeable downward trend. South Antrim is a potential threat for the future.

  • Gaygael

    If we go down to 5 seats (which alliance have been trumpeting) and we stay on the same boundaries (without what will happen to South Belfast mess) they could be in serious trouble in Lagan Valley, South Antrim and Strangford.

  • Croiteir

    Representation of the People 1918- Tory proposed bill 1918
    Representation of The People 1928 – Tory Bill

    and I have now got fed up but I think I have made the point.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    Like weddings?

  • Gaygael

    I think that the law was passed by Tories does not evidence your point. Rather they were reacting to sustained and growing grassroots pressure.

  • Gingray

    Quota would be just under 17%, so they should be ok in LV with nationalist transfers, similar for Strangford. But it would be very very tight

  • Croiteir

    And is that not the way of things?

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    How do you feel about rowdy band parades and a good old fashioned ‘sash bash’?

  • Gaygael

    Human progress comes from the ground up. Not deigned to be passed down by those in power.

    I give you Gerda Lerner. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/26330d4bc0f171904914ff10390ec0571a88b3413a5ab2d89c2039f40fe48c95.jpg

  • Croiteir

    Isn’t that what I am saying? – keep yer woman – I have no need for her

  • Gaygael

    No of course you don’t.

    Shuold she be barefoot and pregnant?

  • Croiteir

    Howwoul I know – I dont know her? Weird question

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Teddybear, if the sexual disatisfaction is there in a relationship it will poison the relationships even if both parties are locked up alone forever.

    With every factor of modern life running on marketing techniques that employ some degree of disatisfaction to “sell” the goods that produce the profits our community seems to need to function at all, this disruption of marriages would be inevitable even if Bill Hayley or Elvis had never lived. It’s facile to pin the blame on simply one particular aspect of the capitalist system that is demanding we are all “lusting” after endless things to obtain.

    Hey man, loosen up! The music, the arts in general, provide perhaps the only things that actually draws people out of all this ugly greed culture!

  • Tochais Siorai

    Alliance look safe enough in LV and Strangford unless there’s a Nat upsurge from somewhere, SA does look ropey for them.