EU: Corporatist, Anti-Democratic and Maintaining Cheap Labour

Last week I wrote a post suggesting that all Socialists here should vote for the UK leaving the EU. Needless to say, I’d hope that most fellow free-market, libertarian Conservatives will be doing likewise.

I’ve just listened to Kate Hoey’s speech at last night’s Spectator debate in London. I implore you to listen if you have any doubts about which way to vote.  If you are of the left, I believe Kate does a great job outlining why the EU represents everything you should despise most.

Press play in audio player above to listen to Kate’s speech.


  • Gopher

    As an owner of an “infected” VW I can only contrast the American courts setting a deadline to replace vechiles and the usually prolific European courts inactive, letting VW of the hook by letting them string the consumers along. This has hardened me to exit.

  • Teddybear

    I do wish posts were textual. There’s too much reliance on video and sound and it’s not always possible to play them. Not everyone is sitting at their laptop in private.

  • Kevin Breslin

    I think the cheap labour comments are a nonsense, we have the lowest Immigration rate here but the lowest wages. The leave group are trying to sell cheap labour to business groups and higher paid labour to get a few working class votes to be on their side. They are going to end up being “undemocratic” to one group of their supporters.

    When Kate Hoey was business secretary she stood up for things like the minimum wage to ensure labour wasn’t cheapened, but now she’s allied herself with some of the biggest opponents of it. The Institute for Fiscal Studies said the moderate minimum wage had no impact on job creation.

    When Leave members like Carswell spoke of maintaining free movement, Kate Hoey pretty much blamed free movement for why unemployment is so high. Ironically failing to realise that the lowest area of free movement still has some of the lowest employment rates.

    We also hear this talk about the EU’s corporatism, all that investment in science and agriculture and the economy of scale of doing these across a single market and single program.

    The Leave side is devoid of scientific supporters, devoid of digital creators supporters, devoid of manufacturers, engineers, food producers and technological innovators … Probably because public funded “research clustering” is corporatist and there is probably an uneducated affinity in Leave for the gentlemen scientists of Adam Smith’s day who carried out broad reaching research out of their own pockets.

    Hoey might use the word corporatist, but she openly admits for wanting the UK to take a corporatist approach to Brittish Steel. Of course she has a mandate, many free marketers do not.

  • Msiegnaro

    This is really a cheap post Jeffrey. You offer no analysis at all and simply rely on a video of Kate Hoey to present your argument. Posts on here should be more textual based with videos used only on occasion rather than the norm.

  • Msiegnaro

    I actually just posted the same point. Perhaps Mick needs to make a decision on this?

  • Cosmo

    Kevin, you make very good points, and I really can’t understand why the EU is so poor at its own publicity for its achievements.

    I suspect most of the Leave theorists were also right behind the ‘group-think economics’ for letting much of UK manufacturing go to the wall, as making simplistic economic sense, while saying UK could still flourish from ‘start-ups’…. “having a misplaced faith in the power of start-ups to create jobs at home”

    An interesting letter to FT (13.4.2016) from Prof R Wade, from LSE makes the point….
    “Scale-ups depend on pre-existing ecosystems of supplier-customer relations where technical knowledge accumulates and experience builds on experience. For this reason abandoning today’s ‘commodity’ manufacturing can preclude entry to tomorrow’s new industry.”

  • Jeffrey Peel

    It’s audio. I thought the content might be of interest.

  • Cosmo

    A good point and no doubt VW interests have had too great an influence with the mighty within Europe…, but I do wonder would home-grown GM have been so promptly dealt with by US; and let’s see how well UK companies Act deals with well-connected Sir Philip Green and the BHS pension-pot ‘evaporation’ etc. ….Disqualification as a Director??

  • Kevin Breslin

    I think the last two paragraphs of a Guardian article pretty much shows that many of the gripes that people pin on the European Union within the United Kingdom simply come about because the British people actually vote for them.

    “Today’s EU is as accommodating to free-market Slovakia with its flat tax and minimal state and Estonia with its internet-enabled democracy as it is to the flexible mixed economies of Scandinavia and the less flexible France, with its 57% of public spending and huge public sector. It would have little room for Farage’s utopia of no immigration or the left’s nostalgia for a closed managed economy.

    However, it is not the EU that keeps Carswell from reducing the British state by two-thirds, or the radical left from nationalising the postal services – it is the British people, who have so far shown no great enthusiasm for these ideas. Hijacking the referendum and British scepticism about the union to promote these visions has been a clever move – but in reality the critics’ proposals have less to do with the EU than they make out.”

  • chrisjones2

    is that in the rules?

  • chrisjones2

    Its about supply and demand. Yes we have the lowest wages but that is because of our low level of industrial jobs for unskilled / low skilled workers and the fact that many of the jobs we do have are occupied by people who have moved here from the EU to work while our own lie at home on DLA

  • chrisjones2

    Try headphones

  • chrisjones2

    Its not the EUs fault – its the problem of the weak and ineffectual UK Government. Have they called VW in yet? They cannot ban VW imports but they can tax the company and pursue it through the UK Courts

  • Kevin Breslin

    I don’t see any supply of information that is going to tell me those migrant workers are going to lose their work permits and suddenly our workers are going to be helped to fill the gaps. Do you?

    We do take a lot of these low paid jobs ourselves, to suggest that’s going to change with a silly Australian points system is going to fix any of that, given that Britons and Irish exploit that system to do the sort of low paid bar work in Australia that migrants to these islands do already, (all with the rights to claim benefits should they lose their jobs) it is utterly naive.

  • mac tire

    Try reading what he wrote instead of just jumping in there, as usual.
    “not always possible to play them…”

    That can mean numerous things – and he has a point.

  • Kevin Breslin

    They sell to each others markets so the exposure to unbiased scrutiny is mutual.

  • Cosmo

    Technology, rather than free trade, is surely the new threat/ challenge ….whether Brexit, or not, the West, in particular, has a looming crisis of social fracture with increasing populations of unemployed low-skilled males who are downwardly mobile. This is being added to, by the increasing redundancy of the clerical classes.