‪#‎AE16‬ ‪#‎SluggerReport:‬ Unionist dilemmas around Martin McGuinness as First Minister?

On the #SluggerReport this morning I ask three questions about unionist fears over Martin McGuinness becoming First Minister:

  • Firstly, who is it that’s fearful? It’s not primarily those on the extreme edge of Unionism/Loyalism to whom the DUP are making this regular pitch since, these days at least, they are likely to be unmoved by such a pitch (given the DUP already work with Sinn Fein on day by day basis).
  • Secondly, what is it that they are fearful of? Sinn Fein’s favoured answer to this in the past has been that ‘they don’t want a catholic about the place’. But like as they seek to “sell Fresh Start as joint delivery” that’s perhaps not as much in favour as it once was.
  • Thirdly, when will it change and for what reasons? If we consider that Martin’s own history rather than his political typography might be the real problem most of middle-Unionism has: would that change if a ‘civilian’ SF leader came forward or an SDLP leader?

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  • Hugh Davison

    For those of us who don’t live there, can you provide links to your assertion that Alex Maskey, Fra McCann, Jennifer McCann, Rosie McCorley are boasting of their terrorist/criminal pasts? Just curious.

  • Hugh Davison

    Since when has Unionism been concerned about what the outside world thinks? This is a new phenomenon, if true.

  • Hugh Davison

    No Surrender!

  • Hugh Davison

    Why not, indeed? Prepare for the inevitable. But would that not entail some honesty on Unionism’s part? Like admitting that NI was and is a failed state.

  • Hugh Davison

    I’ve heard that trope so often in my youth in NI from Protestant friends. Believe me, nobody in the South is remotely interested in score settling, nor, I expect, the ‘liberated Nordies’. You’ll have to resolve your guilty conscience in your own way, I’m afraid

  • Hugh Davison

    What did Unionism do for Republicanism? Any links?

  • Hugh Davison

    The border was copper fastened in 1922. Why on earth would any country join NATO whose sole raison d’etre seems to be to continue the cold war? And that you consider monarchy as more important than the real challenges of uniting two populations with different administrative systems tells me a lot about Unionism’s grasp on reality.

  • Hugh Davison

    No Surrender! Not an inch!

  • Hugh Davison

    What he said. NATO, the Queen, the Commonwealth, and we’ll take it from there. He’s taking the pee of course.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    I just wish a few would simply spend some actual time in Dublin, and “wake up and smell the coffee….”

    To alter slightly what the patrol man says in “51st State”, “The 1920s are over….”

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    Well they clearly do exist, i just gave you an example of one.

    There are a few on this site, to the extent that even Turgon declared that he had some sympathy for them in a response to one such unicorn who was lamenting the implosion of NI21 (a party which incidentally had a Catholic as one of it’s leaders).

    So you’re quite clearly wrong on that matter, the fact that you don’t see them is down to either a snobby hierarchy of unionism in which Catholic unionists (amongst others) aren’t recognised or you simply don’t have many Catholic friends.

    This ignorance is of your own doing and you clearly don’t want to learn of such things as it further breaks down the idea of unionism being a protestant thing which is a position seen as an anathema to those wish for some sort of Ulster-Protestant-Zionism.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    Speaking of which, there’s a great wee café on Liffey Street Upper, in the Arnotts’ building, best coffee in town (in my experience).

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    Cobblers.

    As usual you’ve just ignored my points, came out with an inaccurate melodramatic summary and neither backed up your conclusion nor offered any logical argument as to why my stance is flawed.

    I mentioned a small plan earlier, let us go through them one by one and you explain exactly how any of the points are a ‘pander’:

    1/ Phase out or reduce British nationalism – If one is proud of being from Northern Ireland then let it show, there’s no reason to be ashamed of it

    2/ Instigate a code of conduct for parades – Surely it’s a decent if not Christian thing to do?

    3/ Lobby for a Northern Ireland anthem and a Northern Ireland flag:
    Scotland, England and Wales have their own flags, we do not, ergo we are an anomaly, tackling this anomaly is hardly a surrender, it is common sense. Other unionists like Jolly Raj and Mainland Ulsterman are in favour of a new flag too (from what I can tell) so it’s hardly a ‘pander’.
    GSTQ is the NATIONAL anthem, NI is part of the UK, it is not THE UK.
    (plus you’ve seen how opposed republicans are to this notion)

    4/ Stigmatise the flying of flags from telegraph poles and lamp posts – Common sense, it looks awful, an ex-soldier in Portadown was recently taking down rag-flags.

    5/ Encourage common sense wrt 11th night bonfires e.g. no building bonfires beside petrol stations or houses and no tyres or noxious materials – COMMON. SENSE.

    6/ Forbid the hijacking of war memorials by paramilitaries. Perhaps you like seeing UDA wreaths at memorials?

    7/ Be open to the prosecution of armed forces where wrong doing may have occurred – Let justice be done

    8/ Move the NI stadium away from an area where Irish nationalists may not feel comfortable – That ‘might’ be a bit of a pander but given that people of a nationalist backround make up a large part of the team it’s hardly a mammoth request, is it?

    9/ Try to disassociate the words ‘Protestant’ and ‘unionist’ – Unionism should be a political ideal, not a quasi religious one.
    —–
    So Msiegnaro, explain how the above list could be described as a begging bowl and how the union would be ‘unrecognisable’ upon its implementation?

  • Msiegnaro

    I have no guilty conscience, however the narrative is that Unionism is bad and there is no way that a UI would allow us to remain unpunished for perceived past crimes even if none exist.

  • Msiegnaro

    Exactly Hugh.

  • Sharpie

    She or He’s trolling – don’t feed trolls.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    But they’re just…so…hungry and feedable…

  • Sharpie

    Yes, but their favourite food of all is mojo. Don’t let anyone eat your mojo.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Thanks AG. I’m always up for another coffee place, anywhere. I’ll look it out next time I’m raiding the National Library Archives…….

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Why do I keep getting Saki’s “The Unrest Cure” with Msiennaro’s postings here?

    http://eastoftheweb.com/short-stories/UBooks/UnrCur.shtml

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Full apologies to Saki, but talking of pogroms:

    “We have twenty-six on our list,” said Clovis, referring to a bundle of notes. “We shall be able to deal with them all the more thoroughly.”

    “Do you mean to tell me that you are meditating violence against a man like Sir Leon Birberry,” stammered Huddle; “he’s one of the most respected men in the country.”

    “He’s down on our list,” said Clovis carelessly; “after all, we’ve got men we can trust to do our job, so we shan’t have to rely on local assistance. And we’ve got some Boy-scouts helping us as auxiliaries.”

    “Boy-scouts!”

    “Yes; when they understood there was real killing to be done they were even keener than the men.”

  • grumpy oul man

    i have been following Slugger for a while, this is my first post and I have to say if you ever think about forming a political party i would consider joining.
    the present system is not worth fixing starting anew might well work.

  • grumpy oul man

    perhaps you could give examples of your reasoning that retribution would be taken.
    the good people of the Irish Republic are much too civilized and much too smart to turn their own country (or any new one) into a version of the NI which unionism created.

  • grumpy oul man

    the racists in SA claimed the same sort of nonsense would happen if the Black majority ever got power.
    that never happened then and it wont happen here.
    but it a useful tool to keep people frightened and in their sectarian camps