Is a two party stitch up the nearest thing to powersharing we’re likely to get?

HNIW45 from The Detail on Vimeo.

Right, so. Great analysis here from both Newton Emerson (and whoever who does his graphics).

Under Fresh Start there is now a negotiation period for the new Programme for Government of two weeks, but Arlene Foster admitted in February she’s started working on it already (ie before the election).

A two party stitch up. Well, I never?

The big fault with all of the Programme for Government negotiations is that they are done in private and never have targets. Forcing it into a two week window is a start, but if it comes with no targets and no penalties, then….

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  • Acrobat_747

    Northern Ireland is run by a dictatorship. DUP and SF have devised a system where their grasp on power is almost absolute.

    There is every possibility that we could have the same government for decades and decades.

  • Ernekid

    ‘Dictatorship’

    You know that word actually means something right? Try looking up what an actual dictatorship entails. You just sound completely foolish characterising the Northern Irelands devolved consociational Executive in that manner.

  • mary

    Bullies corruption Mafia gangsters

  • mary

    NI needs normality, what is power is a terrible waste of space taxes,

  • mary

    Vote them out , forgotten victims, all about power before people

  • mary

    First change what’s in power, ( failed to deliver) Fresh blood good hearts minds remove sectarianism bigots who hate brought hate to the table. Trustworthy – needed trust, believe respect that would be a start. Ps am not paid to sort out all problems, here to debate give my opinion.
    “Out with old I with new”
    What would you do?

  • mary

    This is what we need chance for the betterment of our generations

  • mary

    Clean hands Colum Eastwood SDLP Clare Hanna believe that they are well able
    NI needs to waken up from deep sleep. Put victim first deal with past, health education jobs roads free education health matters. Good luck

  • mary

    Poem

  • mary

    Pray for change normality SDLP

  • mac tire
  • mickfealty

    Mary, honestly, you do have to propound an argument here you know?

  • mary

    Just a we chat, wishing you a happy Thursday sir😊

  • Reader

    So Marty’s supporters vote when they get back from the pub, and Colum’s supporters vote after Dinner.
    If this sort of thing happens on election day you’ll need to keep the polling stations open by force to get your vote in.

  • chrisjones2

    Tee hee Connelly house was late mobilising all those to skew the poll …as effective as their vote managment

  • chrisjones2

    Yes….we have higher standards than Stormont does 🙂 🙂

  • Granni Trixie

    To be fair, surely it is wise of any party to prepare with a list of wants knowing that it has to get to yes within two weeks post election?

  • Acrobat_747

    From wikipedia: ‘Dictatorship is a form of government where a country is ruled by one person or political entity, and exercised through various mechanisms to ensure the entity’s power remains strong.

    This sounds exactly like Northern Ireland.

  • Acrobat_747

    I think Northern Ireland is run by two parties who have been intertwined with each other for decades. They are milking a system where removing them from power is almost impossible.

    Compared to most western democracies Northern Ireland is a dictatorship.

  • Acrobat_747

    All dictatorships in history depended on everyone sitting quiet and saying nothing. Just like this one.

    The hardest part is actually accepting that democracy does not exist in Northern Ireland. The DUP and Sinn Fein control the country completely unopposed. Opposition cannot exist.

    You can join them, certainly. But dispose them… absolutely not.

  • Alan N/Ards

    How do you remove the state of Northern Ireland?

    In the event of a majority vote ( in favour of a UI) then NI becomes part of a UI. It doesn’t necessarily mean that NI and the assembly will disappear. Okay, Dublin will be holding the purse strings but, how this part of the island is governed should be determined by the GFA. After all, the majority of us (on this island) voted in favour of it in 1998, and the agreement needs to be upheld by the democratic parties on this island.

    As someone who voted yes in 1998 ( and for that reason I will never vote DUP) I expect it to be upheld in the new Ireland ( if the republic and NI) ever become one state. I see myself as a Northern Irishman first. It’s where I’m from and it’s the place that I have always know as my country. So by removing NI ( as you seem to want to do) leaves me without a country. It most certainly doesn’t mean that I will be giving my allegiance to the republic. So, for me, the GFA is the only show in town. It means that I can live on this island as a Northern Irish man, hold British or Irish passports, pay my taxes to the new state. and have local people making decisions at a regional Assembly. The people in NI don’t need people in Cork, Dublin etc who know nothing about us making decisions on how we live up here. The same argument goes for politicians in London, Glasgow etc who know nothing about us. Devolution is the only way.

  • Ernekid

    No it bloody doesn’t. There is a world of difference between voluntary consociationalism and dictatorship.

  • kensei

    Pretty sure we started with SDLP and UUP in the lead and the electorate could return to that – or another combination if they so chose.

    The people are bastards etc etc

  • kensei

    Okay, you can have it, or you can have a tax cut (or equivalent rise in public services).

    Bear in mind you have proportionally a LOT more say in the central government, and potentially county and city/town councils too.

    I can see why people would want it, but I know where my money is going. I suspect if there is ever a UI it might stay but it’ll replace one of the other two levels of local government.

  • eamoncorbett

    Other than local council taxes , what control does Stormont have over general taxation , none I think .

  • eamoncorbett

    Seamus Mallon and David Trimble didn’t get on either.