Foster: “The rebellion which took place 100 years ago this Easter was directly to attack the state to which I owe my allegiance”

Arlene Foster has ruled out any attendance at events commemorating the 100th anniversary of the Easter Rising.

Speaking to the Impartial Reporter she said;

The rebellion which took place 100 years ago this Easter was directly to attack the state to which I owe my allegiance. I don’t think I would be invited, but even if I was invited I certainly would not be going to commemorate a violent attack on the United Kingdom.

She continued;

I don’t think they are going to ask any members of the Royal family for example to attend the so-called commemorations.

History tells us that it happened and it led in many ways to the later formation of the Republic of Ireland breaking away from the rest of the Kingdom in a very violent way. You have to remember that the rebellion led to a loss of hundreds of lives, Irish people being killed, I would say needlessly, at that time. I can understand why those of a republican deposition would want to commemorate that event, but I certainly wouldn’t want to be associated with it,

The incoming First Minister did mention 1916 in her new address saying;

We will reflect too on the centenary of the Easter Rising and the role events in Dublin in 1916 had in the creation of Northern Ireland.

But the historian, Eamon Phoenix was critical of this approach yesterday on Talkback;

 

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  • Anglo-Irish

    People have accused Jeremy Corburn of being a traitor because he said that he wouldn’t use the nuclear deterrent if he came to power, and in some peoples eyes he is a traitor.

    But you see over here and in the ROI we tend to be civilized.

    We are aware that you NI folk like to bring violence into any disagreement, but we are doing our best to wean you away from that knee jerk ( or knee cap in your case ) reaction.

    So I wouldn’t do anything to punish them, simply view them with disapproval,

    I know! I can be a right nasty piece of work when you upset me!

  • Anglo-Irish

    As you were the one who claimed it was ‘Thousands’ and as I provided you with facts that proved that during the internment years it most definitely wasn’t why don’t you do some research and tell me how many it was?

    As I’m away for a week from early tomorrow morning I really don’t have time to indulge you.

  • Alan N/Ards

    Don’t be worrying about not indulging me. I’ll be okay.

    I wasn’t talking about internment, but I think you know that. I was talking about the people who were convicted in court for their crimes. Why were they convicted? Because the security forces put them in the dock. Yes, that’s right, the same security forces who you believe were the allies of loyalists.

    As far as internment goes, I personally believe that it was wrong. It was also wrong in the south of the island as well. But of course very few republicans ever mention that it was a tactic used in their beloved part of the island.

    Enjoy your week.

  • Anglo-Irish

    So, how many ;loyalists’ were convicted in court then?

    You claimed thousands which I seriously doubt.

    A man I know served several tours in the British Army in NI during the Troubles.

    He told me that at his first briefing a wall of photographs and personal details of ‘people of interest’ was displayed. He noticed that every one of them was Catholic, this despite the fact that the ‘loyalists’ were killing innocent civilians on a regular basis.

    He asked why and was told that it wasn’t any of his business.

    He was less than impressed as it so happened he was a Catholic himself.

    https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjLuLmVsKfKAhVGtxoKHR_DDawQFghCMAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2Fcrime%2Fnorthern-ireland-s-police-colluded-with-loyalists-to-cover-up-catholic-murders-8899964.html&usg=AFQjCNEGj4iyppx2oUuQsDJM7AJJYw_xwg

    No doubt on my return you will be able to provide details of all those ‘loyalists’ incarcerated for their crimes in the Troubles.

    I wonder how many of them were innocent protestant sacrificial lambs framed to provide political justification as the 19 previously mentioned claim?

    And how many were offered up by their handlers for not obeying orders to the required degree?

    Thanks for the good wishes, I intend to try.

  • Danny

    Deary me, you are struggling aren’t you? You were the one who introduced the theme of democratic support for independence when you said the Irish people voted for decades etc. There is no evidence to support that claim.

    So now you are changing tack to talking about a restricted electorate? You are correct about that however, does that not prove your statement regarding voting for decades for independence as nonsense? Additionally the franchise in Ireland was no more restricted than that in England, Scotland and Wales.

    Face it you have tried to duck and dive but your casual approach to history and inability to justify your conclusions demonstrates that you know little outwith your own political narrative.

    Have you heard of the saying when you are in a hole stop digging? You have failed to substantiate any of your arguments thus far and now you are introducing another one regarding the hyothetcial actions of the British government and the hyothetcial response of the Irish people?

    I take it you accept the points about the Home Rule League and IPP? Good glad we sorted that. Also I note you didn’t refer to the post where you suggested that I said the Irish wished to remain part of the Union?

    Though you did get a wry smile out of me when you accused me of a failure of facts and logic!

  • Jollyraj

    Violence? Why are you ranting about that? I didn’t mention violence – curious how your mind works.

  • Jollyraj

    “You can come up with as many reasons as you wish not to want any part of it but it won’t change bugger all.”

    Actually, in a democracy, it will.

  • Jollyraj

    You are still failing to give any good reason at all why ROI would want a” pain in the arse costly millstone around their neck”

  • Danny

    So what elections did the Irish vote for independence, which election did the Home Rule League and IPP stand on an interdependence ticket, which rebellion had popular support?

    According to you more than 75% of the Irish people voted for decades for independence and where ignored by the English so surely it won’t be a stretch for you to answer the questions above?

    Stop dodging. Enlighten us with the sources of this new found information.

  • Anglo-Irish

    Not at all, I can assure you that that is exactly how most people in England or for that matter the ROI would think when they hear someone from NI mention ‘punish’.

    The rest of us might consider a fine or probation to be satisfactory but knee capping or at the least a severe beating with a baseball bat tends to be the NI solution.

    Only kidding, you lot really are lacking in the sense of humour department aren’t you?

    Have another look at the last sentence of my previous post and try to gauge the tone.

  • Anglo-Irish

    Democratic will? Are you serious?

    Please explain in what way the formation of Northern Ireland was democratic.

    Also explain how the ongoing administration of Northern Ireland was democratic.

    One example, the City of Derry is overwhelmingly Catholic/Nationalist.

    Two thirds of the city is of that persuasion, so it was decided by the unionists in power to divide the city into three wards.

    This meant that if two wards voted one way and one voted the other the two would win, fair enough, two beats three.

    Only problem being the one third smaller protestant ‘loyalist’ area was divided into two wards and the larger two thirds Catholic/Nationalist area was counted as one.

    Care to have a stab at trying to justify that?

    Unionists wouldn’t recognise democracy if it bought them a three star Michelin meal, took them back to a 5 Star hotel and made mad passionate love to them all night long.

    Do the Orange Order do mad passionate love?

  • Anglo-Irish

    There is no such thing as the cross of St Patrick.

    The cross on the Union Flag is taken from the coat of arms of the Fitzgerald family, a Norman-Irish bunch of dodgy Machiavellian chancers who’s only decent descendant is Davy who won a couple of All Ireland’s as a player and one as a manager for Clare, and he’s as mad as they come.

    https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=12&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiCk7ms8KfKAhXHwxQKHXV9Dx0QFghVMAs&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theirishrose.com%2Fview-coat-of-arms%2Ffitzgerald-coat-of-arms%2F&usg=AFQjCNFzjTf22YA4-40lIcXcIV_K5Rhk_g&sig2=YdttYZ0cmD1XS0azmQFx3A

  • Danny

    Let me make this very simple for you.

    You said:
    ‘For DECADES the Irish people had voted over 75% in support of candidates that wanted independence. Britain refused to respect democracy.’

    My point is simple:
    That statement is false. The first election where a majority of Irish people voted for candidates which supported independence was 1918. Your meagre attempts to defend your assertion have been met with incontrovertible facts.

    Are you willing to acknowledge your statement above as nonsense?

    On a wider point I think it might be time to dig out those school textbooks, you have obviously forgotten quite a bit! Alternatively I could recommend a few books which would help you gain a better understanding of Irish history?

  • Anglo-Irish

    Irish desire to reunite a country which should never have been partitioned, understandable.

    Protestant/Unionist desire to continue trying to impose an undemocratic balls up, stupid.

    And doomed to failure.

  • Anglo-Irish

    Because they were asked on the census what their nationality was, or what they considered themselves to be and if you have any kind of understanding you know that English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish isn’t a nationality?

    As for Anglo-Irish you really need to educate yourself.

    Oxford dictionary definition good enough for you?

    https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwihksKC9qfKAhWLfxoKHYq1AoUQFgggMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oxforddictionaries.com%2Fdefinition%2Fenglish%2Fanglo-irish&usg=AFQjCNGOUXPow-FLEPSHbHS-W7kh9oZHBQ&sig2=h3t09u42rnOxyaMCW1ltVw

    British is not a race, it is not a description of people from a particular country, it is a description of a group of peoples nationality who may be English, Scottish,Welsh, Northern Irish or members of the commonwealth entitled to citizenship.

    It may also elude to people not born in any of those places but naturalized citizens.

    If you were actually born on the island of Britain you could if you wish refer to yourself as British, few would because it isn’t an accurate description, it requires further explanation.

    ” Which of the three countries on the island of Britain are you from?”

    ” I’m from Northern Ireland ”

    ” So not in fact actually from Britain, then? ”

    ” But I’m British! ”

    ” You’re a British citizen? ”

    ” No, I’m British! ”

    ” How? ”

    Can you not see how silly and frankly pathetic that is?

    You stated that Donald Trump is American in fact you emphasised the point by stating ‘ pretty obvious I would say ‘.

    As I pointed out to you, Trumps mother was a Scot and his paternal grandparents both emigrated from Germany.

    So if Trump is an American why aren’t you Irish?

    Why do you insist on trying to describe yourself by using the name of a neighbouring island that contains three countries none of which are yours?

    Obviously if one or both of your parents was born in one of them you could describe yourself as Scots-Irish or whatever but you would still be a British citizen as opposed to British.

    Off on holiday tomorrow so you’ll have to wait for any reply.

  • Anglo-Irish

    No, you never do tire of it do you?

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Interesting, the mention of New Amsterdam/New York. Have you ever come across the 1938 Kurt Weill musical “Knickerbocker Holiday”. Most people know it for “September Song” but it’s actually a strong satire on the generally unrecognised totalitarian aspects of the FDR New Deal. The first song at the start of Act II is “Band of Robbers”. The 1944 movie that most people know cut out the most of the satire and, perhaps more unpardonably, most of the Kurt Weill songs as well!!! But then, who was in the White House……….

  • Greenflag 2

    Kurt Weil I’m aware of and the September Song used as a lullaby 25 years ago when trying to get our last born to sleep Can’t recall who sang it probably Dietrich or Lenya . Importantly and critically it worked in 2 to three minutes 🙂 Have not seen the musical but you have piqued my interest . FDR’s New Deal may have had some totalitarian aspects but they made a huge difference to the USA of the 1940’s , 50’s and beyond . LIke it or not without basic Social Security probably half to 70% of elderly Americans would be destitute and totally dependent on families to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table . And in the richest country on Earth too – .They could do with another FDR or Abraham LIncoln but all they got is loudmouths and warmongers on the GOP side and already bought candidates on the Dem side . imo mind you .

  • SeaanUiNeill

    The most interesting thing is that the critique is coming from Kurt Weill (and his “book” colleague, Maxwell Anderson). I can see where they are coming from. FDR may have been helping the poor but the state apparatus he established has been the foundation for the growth of the military industreal complex and of what my mother in law’s old sparring partner Gore Vidal called “The American Empire”.

    Unintended consequence, yes, but consequence all the same. And yes, might just need another Roosevelt

    I’ve a weakness for Walter Huston’s version of “September Song” from the movie myself…..

    When I was first working on the animation for the original concert material for the Floyd’s “The Wall” up at at Britannia Row, I was inducted to the music, well before it was issued to teh public. The guy playing it said about the trial sequence, “I find this really, really Weill” and it took me a few shocked moments to hear “Weill” rather than “vile”…………

  • Danny

    Good luck with the fantasy that the Irish people voted for decades for indepedence prior to 1918.

    I am starting to feel bad for showing up your inability to follow a
    simple point however it has marked you out as a troll and not a very
    clever one at that!

  • Greenflag 2

    Thanks for that so I find out that Kurt Weil was born in Dessau formerly East Germany in 1900 . And then I recall the only song I can sing in German IS titled Der Alte Dessauer and the only reason I can still sing it is because of a maniacal film director and genius one Stanley Kubrick who made us extras sing it perhaps 500 times over a period of five days . Barry Lyndon . One of Kubrick’s also rans but not my fault 😉 I think it was the lighting and his mania for detailing the period as authentically as he could . Leonard Rossiter (he of Rising Damp) and the Rise and Fall of Reginald Perrin played a reel dancing Captain Quinn where his eyes right manouvre reduced onlookers to paroxysms of hilarity .

    Some things you can’t forget ever 😉

  • Western Britain

    I take it Anglo Irish that you do not recognise the British identity and culture on this British Isle when you make comments as above. Your grievance is that your country was “invaded” by the British, the big bad English Queen, and therefore the Irish were prevented from enjoying the privilege of having their own country, but yet you would deny me my identity, culture and country. You would inflict the very injustice you are angry about upon me!!

  • Western Britain

    Jollyraj nice reply to Anglo Irish. there is too much talk of the island being Irelands. Republicans use the term the Island of Ireland or the North of Ireland to say that the only authority or sovereignty on this island is Irelands when in fact there are two sovereign authorities on this British Isle. I use the term the British isle or the Isle of Britain. This is a neutral term it doesn’t denote authority to one country or the other. Another example of the Irish agenda which is defined by Anglophobia is the refusal to recognise British symbols. Londonderry is an example of this refusal. The Irish refuse to use London and say only Derry. The word Londonderry includes both the Irish word Doire and British word London together side by side. Compromise in a word. What’s not to like. Londonderry is the neutral and inclusive term.

  • John Collins

    Mike
    They were all run in the system where only men over 35 had a vote. That section of society seldom vote for radical change. The 1918 GE was fought with a full adult electorate

  • Anglo-Irish

    And I take it that your grasp on the facts of the matter are so tenuous as to be non existent.

    First fact, Ireland is not a British island, it is not and never has been a part of Britain.

    You might as well say that Britain is a French island because it has a close geographical proximity.

    My grievance? I was born in Sheffield and my direct male line have been traced back to 1706 in the Sheffield area.

    That is before the act of Union, and therefore before ‘ Great Britain ‘ existed.

    If you were born in Ireland you are not ‘British’ simple fact.

    If one or both of your parents were born on the island of Britain you are still not British.

    If one parent was born in England then you are Anglo- Whatever the other parent was, if one was born in Scotland then you are Scots- Whatever the other parent was, same with the Welsh.

    But you are not British, because British is simply a nationality which incorporates three countries and a bastardized province and not a description of your country or countries.

    If you were born on the actual island known as Britain then you could describe yourself as British, but hardly anyone does because you then have to supply further information in order to explain precisely what you are.

    If you are a Northern Irish unionist then your ‘culture’ is pitiful, it is simply a manifestation of sectarian bigotry and hatred.

    Whilst it may have had some revelance to those who’s insecurity required bolstering back in the day it looks pretty bloody pathetic now that unionists are reliant upon the support of them Taigs to allow them to continue within the Union.

    Incidentally, not to be pedantic, simply to highlight how ill informed you are, she is not the ‘ English Queen ‘.

  • Anglo-Irish

    Then you use the term incorrectly.

    You are not Humpty Dumpty, words do not mean what you want them to mean, they mean what the facts dictate they mean.

    Ireland is not, and never has been, a part of Britain.

  • Western Britain

    Alan great replies. I am British. You seem resigned to there being a UI. There would be an option of forming our own country of people who see themselves as British in the first instance. Most other regions within the UK for example the English see themselves as English first and then British second. We could be the first nation of British people within the British isles. It seems that other nations are dictating to us what our nationality should be. Surely that is for us to decide what country we would be if we had to exit the UK why would we want to join with Ireland anyway?. Any way I believe that in 30 years the DUP or the UUP will have MPs in every part of the UK including Jersey and he Isle of Wight and have become the single biggest party within the UK and British Isles.

  • Alan N/Ards

    Western Britain

    No I’m not resigned to there being a UI any time soon. In fact, it might never happen. Saying that, I don’t think unionists should be frightened to discuss the possibility of a UI. It doesn’t make one a lesser unionist.

    The fear many unionists have about a UI is of being absorbed into the south and then being airbrushed out of history (like the former unionists in the south). Obviously, the fear of the Vatican being in charge is gone but the fear of losing our identity is very real.

    Many unionists (in my opinion) would be less fearful of Dublin rule if they believed that a UI meant more than being absorbed into the republic.

    Are republicans talking about a fresh start when they argue for a UI, or is a fresh start a betrayal of the men/women who have went before them?