Derrylin to host hunger strike commemoration

The 2014 National Hunger Strike Commemoration has been announced to be in Derrylin Co. Fermanagh this year complete with buses to the event.

Diane Woods the niece of local IRA murder victims Thomas and Emily Bullock told the Belfast Telegraph she felt sick at the prospect.

From the Belfast Telegraph:

A gang of up to six masked men carried out the brutal attack on Mr and Mrs Bullock.
They arrived at the isolated farmhouse in Aghalane just outside Derrylin at around 6pm on September 21, 1972. Mrs Woods said her aunt constantly worried about her husband’s safety, often lying on the landing of the house in a sleeping bag to watch for Mr Bullock returning home.
“My aunt always had this awful fear,” she said. “She always used to say if they come to get Tommy it will be over my dead body, and that’s exactly how it happened.
“My uncle was watching the news. They knocked the door and when my aunt answered they blasted her. They then literally stepped over her body and went on into the living room and shot Tommy.
“I can still visualise being in the morgue with my uncle lying with a bullet through his temple.
“When the gang were leaving the area they blew their horns and cheered.”
In the days after the double murder a vile call was made to an abattoir in the area telling them they had two bullocks for them to process. Nobody was ever convicted for the attack.

The News Letter reports that even the funeral courtage was blocked in the village

Michelle Gildernew the local MP welcomed the event and commented:

“The annual commemoration is not only a dignified parade to honour Irish Hungerstrikers but a series of events including lectures, displays and youth events that allow people to remember the sacrifice made by these men.
“The commemoration attracts up to 10,000 people so there is also an economic benefit to the local businesses as many people travel to the area.
“The organising committee is already working with the local community to minimise any disruption during the parade and ensure that the event is successful.
“The Hungerstrike was a pivotal moment in Irish history and it is right and fitting that it has now come to Fermanagh and I would appeal to local people to come out and support the event.”

Presumably the economic benefits will extend to entertainment, no doubt including food.

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  • Joe_Hoggs

    Parading is important, but in moderation and with respect.

    Where have I been evasive? I’m honestly trying as best as I can here.

  • Annie AuldIrn

    OK Joe. I was hoping to get more insight into the fundamentals of the OI. It seems you are unable, for whatever reason, to deliver. Perhaps we had better leave it at that.

  • Morpheus

    Oh well, why didn’t you say? That makes it so much better….hell they were practically cross community. I can see whyhe is still in the brethren and in good standing

  • Joe_Hoggs

    Hardly what I meant, I wanted to illustrate both sides suffered at the hands of this evil gang.

  • Joe_Hoggs

    Bit unfair but happy to leave it at that too.

  • Morpheus

    Do you not think it makes it worse that they abducted, tortured, murdered and butchered people from the community the OO thinks it leads yet OO still has him as a member of good standing since he was convicted 35 years ago?

  • Annie AuldIrn

    What? You accuse me of being unfair. Well, don’t that beat Banagher! I asked 3 questions about just how appropriate marching is and you tell me it’s important – not one word about the essence of the questions.

    Try this.

    Q. Is public copulation an appropriate activity?
    A. Well, it’s important in moderation.

    Is the answer adequate? Not in my view! What say you?

  • carl marks

    Now Joe you do understand that this is a forum for debate and all I am doing is asking questions, now you have come on as a Orangeman and spoke up for the order but while you are happy to explain things like “why do they have bands, no doubt you could give a talk on sashes and banners etc. and I am sure it is fascinating, but what I really want to know and what you seem too willing to go to any length to avoid answering is simple,
    Why does a Christian group want to walk with a band that pays homage to dead terrorists past the places where that same terror group murdered people? But Joe you tell me you don’t know and that’s ok.
    Could I askyou one or maybe two more questions that you should know the answers too sincethey are not about the OO but about you,

    1/do you believe it is right to insult the relatives of the murdered (of which I am one and by the way did I ever mention that members of The Pride of Ardoyne were
    involved with the Holy Cross protest, remember that urine filled balloons thrown at primary school kids) ) by marching that band past Ardoyne?

    If the answer to No1 is no then go to No2 if it is yes then that is sad.

    2/if you think it is wrong to march the band past Ardoyne why do you support a campaign to” get them home”

    By the way Joe I don’t hate you but I would respect you a lot more if you were willing to
    answer the hard questions.

  • Joe_Hoggs

    No, any murder is equally wrong – he shouldn’t be a member.

  • Joe_Hoggs

    1. Yes the Orange should not be using that band, GLOI need to be held to account.

    2. The Orangemen should be allowed, my suggestion was a silent walk with just the Orangemen and no accompanying band.

  • Joe_Hoggs

    You’re entitled to your view.

  • carl marks

    Joe I thank you for your answers.

    Now one more question,
    we can be certain that the local lodge knows both the history and leanings of the pride of Ardoyne and
    surely we can also be certain that the Grand knows about this band, so Joe tell me in your opinion what does it say about an organisation/lodge which choses to employ year after year a band with a reputation of representing the worst form of unionism (you yourself said these bands should not be employed) to engage in a contentious parade in an area where vicyims ofboth individuals and the terror
    group it openly supports lives?

    Joe I ask you your opinion not what you think the Grand
    lodge, the local lodge or anybody else thinks!

  • Joe_Hoggs

    In such instances the Orange does itself no favours, correct procedures would be to dissolve the lodge too – both are a disgrace.

  • nilehenri

    and therein lies the rub.
    to draw a line in the history book and view everything from a post-1968/69 point of view is both erroneous and disingenious, it introduces a strong emotional element into the argument which distorts thinking and affects eventual outcomes, ‘ann’s law’ is a good recent example of this.
    post 1916-1922 how could the powers in the south establish an independent unified nation without resorting to violence? a violence that would make a mockery of their established aim, the fraternity and emancipation of all men, irrespective of creed, on the island? it is to their credit that they opted for the long finger option, hoping that the belligerent north would come to and see the error of its’ ways. something that has yet to happen due to a stubborn refusal to evolve the status quo here.
    shooting paisley (or indeed any of the major figureheads) would not have been difficult to achieve, and at times for certain elements the temptation must have been almost too much to bear, but to have done so would have lost the argument. the north was formed from such violence, threats and suspension of the democratic rule, for the emerging ‘liberators’ to carry on in such a way would have resulted in a huge loss of support for their cause.

  • Annie AuldIrn

    I’m sorry Joe. I got a bit tetchy there. Just a wee bout of PMS. I’m sure you know how it is. Anyhow, can we kiss and make-up?

    Now, here’s a thought that struck me during my morning ablutions. You were saying the Orange is flourishing in places like the ROI and Ghana. The thing is – do the Brethren in these far flung places insist they have a right to parade where and when they want? You may not know the answer, but I’m sure you have an opinion.

  • Glenn Clare

    When you have been brain washed for the length of time as republicans, of course Bobby and his children’s laughter started the peace process when he and Gerry were in the cages. All ways look on the bright side of life. The shinners/provos have sold out the united Ireland project for seats in Stormont, but don’t tell their sycophant supporters. They still think the ui is just down the road. But all the indicators say different.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    The Easter Rising helped create the north.

    The Easter rising involved men going toe-to-toe with British soldiers on the streets.

    The Provos were more about shooting people in the back of the head, car bombs, pub bombs and other gallant acts.

    Apples and oranges

  • carl marks

    Then Joe, why should a lodge that is a disgrace to the OO,
    be supported by all the Unionist parties.
    Surely the OO should be distancing itself from them and not
    supporting such a disgrace?
    Why are you a Christian supporting a group that is so
    insensitive (it could be said setting out to offend, that’s what it feels like to the people of Ardoyne) to the feelings of its neighbours, I am sure that somewhere in your rulebook (the
    Bible) there are instructions about this maybe the; do unto others bit?

  • Croiteir

    Certainly is, one would wonder why a building devoted to God would wish to be used for divisive purposes

  • Joe_Hoggs

    A Reformed church displaying a flag in support of a Reformed Christian organisation in an area where members of the Reformed faith have suffered from brutual Republican violence – now that’s sickening.

  • Joe_Hoggs

    I am too, I was very irritable last week, I think I’ve just made a poor attempt at explaining Orangeism.

    You have a point with what you’re saying, I honestly think if people realised exactly what the Orange is about and if us as Orangeman lived up to our oaths there would never again be opposition to our parades.

    Can I tempt anybody to attend the Black Twelfth in Fermanagh this Saturday? A very relaxed family day out, with a stronger focus on religion.

  • carl marks

    Joe sorry you haven’t answered my question, but that would

    seem to be power for the course for you!
    That you can’t find it inside yourself to step outside the
    tent and withdraw support from a group who you describe as a disgrace tells us a lot about the mind-set inside the OO.
    However Joe I think you should try and answer the question (no need to post your answer if it upsets you) instead ask yourself why a group you are a member of supports this disgrace to the point it is willing to make alliance with the spokesmen of a criminal gang (does the drugs and pimping not ring a alarm bell) which is doing more harm to the protestant community than any nationalist or nationalist group is!
    Remember Joe when you next don your sash you are showing
    solidarity with criminals and murderers, something
    to think about.

  • carl marks

    Joe sorry you haven’t answered my question, but that would seem to be power for the course for you!
    That you can’t find it inside yourself to step outside the
    tent and withdraw support from a group who you describe as a disgrace and which you believe should be dissolved tells us a lot about the mind-set inside the OO.
    However Joe I think you should try and answer the question (no need to post your answer if it upsets you) ask yourself
    why a group you are a member of supports this disgrace to the point it is willing to make alliance with the spokesmen of a criminal gang (does the drugs and pimping not ring a
    alarm bell) which is doing more harm to the protestant
    community than any nationalist or nationalist group is!
    Remember Joe when you next don your sash you are showing solidarity with criminals and murderers, something to think about.

  • Joe_Hoggs

    When I don my collarette I am showing support for the principles and ethos that I agreed tp when I joined.
    You have put forward nothing of substance as a way of accomdation with Unionism and all your talk about Hutchinson talking on behalf of the Orange omits some of the less savoury who talk on behalf of a UI.

    If you don’t like the Orange that’s fine, I accept some in it are not living up to their oaths, however like Kennaway I believe in what the Orange represents.

  • nilehenri

    0.o
    have you really been so brainwashed or are you just a really really good troll?

  • carl marks

    Sorry Joe when you don your collerette next time you are
    expressing solidarity with the drug dealers and terrorists. It was your grand master signed the deal with them! Lie with dogs Joe and you get fleas,

    Read my posts I am (like most nationalists willing to make a
    deal with the OO but it has to stop all this nonsense, stop making deals with thugs and stop marching with sectarian bands.
    And yes there are very unsavory nationalist elements and
    ask yourself how would you feel if say the Hibs made a deal with dissidents to force a republican march with a rebel
    band through a loyalist area I think that you would have an opinion very similar to mine.

    No Joe your wrong you as a Orange man are now in bed with Billy and the UVF, tell me this the next child who dies from bad drugs sold to them by the UVF will you be able to look their mother in the eye and state that you think getting the lodge and band up the Crumlin road is a good enough reason for the OO to work with the group that poisoned their child.

    If you want I can meet up with you and I can bring you to meet the families of people murdered by the UVF and
    You can explain to them that even through you are an Orangeman and your organisation has an alliance with the UVF its nothing to do with you. That is what nationalists (and the rest of the world, you can be sure that nationalists will point it out at every opportunity)
    will see when they see the OO marching, you can do all the good works you want mate and tell us all about your traditions but when you link up with those who murder Catholics, deal drugs, run brothels etc. you give people a stick to beat you with, think about it.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    Feel free to enlighten me. If there’s anything I’ve said above that is incorrect then fill yer boots.

  • Guest

    Joe, You said

    “I honestly think if people realised exactly what the Orange is about and if us as Orangeman lived up to our oaths there would never again be opposition to our parades”.

    I disagree with your statement, but I am prepared to be convinced that my scepticism is ill-founded. So the floor is yours, tell me why I, or anyone, would want to become a member of the Orange Institution.

  • Annie AuldIrn

    Joe,

    Let me start by saying “Thank you” for the invitation to a parade on Saturday. Unfortunately, I am too far away from Fermanagh to contemplate such a venture. The financial cost of travel alone would exceed my limited budget.

    You said

    “I honestly think if people realised exactly what the Orange is about and if us as Orangeman lived up to our oaths there would never again be opposition to our parades”.

    I disagree with your statement. My reasons should become clear if we continue this discussion. I am, however, prepared to be convinced that my scepticism is ill-founded. So the floor is yours, tell me why I, or anyone who may be interested in promoting goodwill, would want to become a member of the Orange Institution.

  • nilehenri

    no, you stay in your twilight world of amicable orangemen and evil ira murderers, south of the red line i believe. knowledge is a precious resource; pearls & pigs.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    I criticise aspects of the parading and Orange culture as much as anyone on here as well you know, to suggest otherwise exposes your bias.

    As for criticising the IRA for murdering, that’s hardly an unreasonable stance is it?

    Point is, you seldom take my points on toe-to-toe. If they’re so biased or ‘twilight’ then you’d be able to expose this.

    But ye don’t.

  • nilehenri

    The Easter Rising helped create the north.

    unionists were wavering betwen flirting with germany and demanding partition before 1916.

    The Easter rising involved men going toe-to-toe with British soldiers on the streets.

    many civilian died. dublin for one week in 1916 is not the same as the six counties for 30 odd years (very conservative estimate).

    The Provos were more about shooting people in the back of the head, car bombs, pub bombs and other gallant acts.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_warfare

    take a run over to the rte archives and check out the north in the period 1950-1970. i think you’ll be astounded by the conditions in which the polulace lived, and the behaviour of the established enforcers of rule britannia.

    in short, i am not an ira apologist, but neither will i be spoon fed blatant apologist-revisionist rubbish.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    NH

    I originally posted a remark about the differences between the 1916 uprising and the Provos of the late 20th century (“The Easter Rising helped create the north.
    The Easter rising involved men going toe-to-toe with British soldiers on the streets.
    The Provos were more about shooting people in the back of the head, car bombs, pub bombs and other gallant acts.
    Apples and oranges.”)

    How do you refute this ‘revisionist rubbish’? By posting a comment that highlights the differences between the Easter Rising and the Provos of the late 20th century, topped off by a wiki link to Guerrilla warfare.

    Did you actually read what you wrote?

    You just backed up my claim!

    (apart from the creating the North part, but everyone with half a brain knows that the Uprising was a nail in the coffin of an independent united Ireland, there may have been many other nails, but it certainly helped)

  • nilehenri

    the deal on the north was done and dusted long before the men of 1916 stepped out that fateful day. unionists were dealing from a position of advantage. back then they weren’t the toothless naysayers that they have been transformed into today. ireland was a more particular form of colony in comparison to other countries, but it was a colony nonetheless. any other analysis of irish history is (revisionist) fantasy.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    ‘Revisionist': The glass to break in the emergency of some one pointing out the holes in much cherished nationalist folklore:

    “900 years of British occupation!”

    “Erm, weren’t the ‘British under Fancophone/Norman/Angevin control at the time of Strongbow’s invitation to Ireland? So, logically it can’t be 900 years”

    “Revisionist!!!”

    Both sides cherish their biased history;

    To some the Boyne was about religious liberty and pivotal to the fortunes of Europe and to others the Easter Rising was a necessary step to an independent Ireland.

    To criticise either stance is to be labelled a Lundy or a revisionist.

    I’m happy with either label. Spoon feed it to the masses if ye want, don’t expect me to swallow it.

  • Morpheus

    Are we all as suitable appalled and upset about the UDA parade last night as we are about the Derrylin one? I hear there were buses and everything…

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-28599146

    There will be a politician along soon to condemn it and talk about compassion for their victims, right?

    http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/regional/show-compassion-for-ira-victims-in-derrylin-urges-mla-tom-elliott-1-6202266

    Joe, Ballynafeigh Orange Hall was used as a starting point for the UDA parade, any thoughts?

  • nilehenri

    SCHOPENHAUER’S 38 STRATAGEMS

    you didn’t even get past #1.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    And you didn’t address my point about the differences between the men of 1916 and the Provos of later on: Taking on the British army toe to toe.

    Indeed, I believe you made perfect use of ‘stratagem No. 3′.

  • Croiteir

    A church of a deformed faith flyiong flags of allegience to an organisation that is founded in violence and murder – that is sickening

  • carl marks

    Strange that we don’t have the “this is an insult to the victims “thread from any of the usual suspects when it comes to the good oul loyalists parading.
    I think it is what is called being, hoisted on your own petard and here is the route they got there by,
    1/ make deal with loyalist terror/criminal group (don’t forget to bring union flag for table)
    2/ complain in haughty tones about offence to victims from republican parade.
    3/ can’t complain about offense to victims from loyalist parade because all unionist parties and OO signed deal with group organising the loyalist parade and you will look like a bell end when asked if you did not know these people tended to do this sort of thing and what are “Christians doing in alliance with the UDA and UVF!

    I won’t hold my breath expecting an explanation of why a orange Hall facilitated the loyalists but I did enjoy young Poots telling us he was lost and didn’t notice the terrorist trapping in the hour he was there talking to people! If he is telling the truth (and since he is a Christian I’m sure he would not lie to us) then it is his parents fault for letting him out without responsible adult supervision, SHAME ON YOU EDWIN!

  • Joe_Hoggs

    Deformed faith?? You’ve shown yourself up for exactly what you are!!

  • Joe_Hoggs

    You offered no condemnation of the Republican terrorist parade, why should you expect others to take your views seriously?

  • Joe_Hoggs

    #whatabouterry

  • carl marks

    Well Joe I must say
    that I am delighted that you regard me as your moral compass (keep it quiet down at the lodge that lot are still pretending they do what the Bible tells them) but you should really read what people say, I registered my disapproval of
    the Derrylin event so why don’t you man up and condemn outright the UDA event and condemn outright the OO involvement.

    Honestly Joe you have ducked every question asked of you,
    and that last bit of whataboutry was not only inaccurate but showed how lacking both you and unionists in general are in the ability to see the other sides point of view and I must tell you that if you are representative of the level of debate and attachment to reality that is inside unionism then the union is
    royally screwed, when a UI comes along you will have made a bigger contribution to that day than I ever could, thank you.

  • carl marks

    So nothing to say on a OO hall being loaned to people to
    glorify sectarian murderers, about par for the course for you Joe!

  • Morpheus

    No Joe, just ANOTHER example to add long list of mind-numbing, vomit-inducing hypocrisy that goes on here in NI.