Brian Cowley is expelled from Fianna Fail (whip)…

And then, there were no Fianna Fail MEPs… This brief statement from Fianna Fáil Chairman Brendan Smith and FF Whip Seán Ó Fearghaíl, half an hour ago…

“At today’s meeting of the Fianna Fáil Parliamentary Party, it was agreed that the ideas and principles of the ECR group and its component parties are totally incompatible with the core principles of Fianna Fáil, The Republican Party.

“We do not believe it is in the interest of the Fianna Fáil party and its members to have any association with the ECR in the European Parliament.

“As a direct consequence of Brian Crowley’s unilateral decision to join the ECR group he has removed himself from the Fianna Fáil Parliamentary Party.”

  • With yet another signpost in its road to decline, this would be a very good time for Fianna Fail to seriously contemplate a merger with Fine Gael so that one large conservative party can replace two much smaller conservative parties that have little difference between them except for a civil war fought 90 years ago.

  • Drumlins Rock

    Maybe he will apply to joint the other Irish ECR party now…

  • Mick Fealty

    Not going to happen Tmitch. It’s less a mark of decline than unfinished business.

  • Roy Walsh

    Christ Mick, I hate to agree with you but, yes! As on the other thread on this matter, it could simply be Crowley is reflecting the will of his elector’s, previously others lost the Fianna Fail whip but the sky remained in place and they quietly rejoined after an appropriate period of penance. The, seemingly now, off quoted verse of ‘why don’t they merge is curiously placed as it’s eff all to do with Crowley’s redesignation but, there is substantially more divides these two political parties (albeit Fianna Fail see themselves as a movement or clan) than could ever unite them; it is more likely we would see joining of DUP and UUP who share greater common ground.

  • Greenflag

    Roy Walsh

    ‘ there is substantially more divides these two political parties FF & FG

    Exactly what of substance divides them ? Certainly not economic policy – Nor educational nor industrial policy .

    Tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber and now Labour have joined the ranks of the bought for 🙁

    Personally it looks to me like FF and FG and Labour are doing all they possibly can to see SF become the majority party in this state .

  • ” it is more likely we would see joining of DUP and UUP who share greater common ground.”


    While it is quite possibly–even likely–that these two unionist parties have more in common in formal ideology, the DUP has little incentive to merge at this point because it faces no major political threat. Its closest competitor in the Unionist group is the UUP. Those most inclined among the UUP’s parliamentary caucus to defect defected years ago: Donaldson, Foster, and Weir. The UUP has little to bargain with in merger negotiations. FF and FG are both threatened by SF’s rise in the Republic, They are at present much closer in size and comparable strength than are the DUP and the UUP. If FF is not interested than a merger with FG than Labour might well be, although that would be more of an ideological stretch.

  • Roy Walsh

    Good morning Greenflag, please look again at Fianna Fail v. Fine Gael economics, historically and contemporaneous, there can be little doubt FG have been and remain neo liberal in their economic outlook, Fianna Fail are more centrist and populist in economic outlook, they were once directed by their, former colleagues, and coalition partners the PD’s in policy but this was also part of the populist agenda of giving the tax payer’s what they wanted, an economic policy bought into equally by FG and ILP who raised no Private Member Bills objecting to, then, government economics so, I’d disagree they are even similar in substance.
    tmitch, once what supposedly divided the DUP and UUP was, what DUP’s founder, Desmond Goal referred to as being ‘to the left on social issues’ has been clearly abandoned by DUP who are keenly implementing the Tories social welfare cuts with no opposition to this from the UUP so they could, I suggest, willingly join and have equal concerns re the rise in support for Sinn Fein who do take natural Unionist votes in the six counties.
    For Brian Crowley, his vote has remained very strong, despite the fall, even halving, in support for Fianna Fai, at the ballot box,l over seven
    I’d doubt FG and ILP would consider merger before the election, probably next year, though after this it may, if opinion polls continue to indicate a fall, perhaps to as low as 1% for the Labour party, so enabling some of them to save seats, though the move has been more of ILP to Fianna Fail in the recent past where frankly, economically they are in reality, considerably more closely aligned.

  • Roy Walsh

    Bloody new PC, Desmond Boal

  • Greenflag

    @ Roy Walsh.

    Your description above is what used to be .In today’s economy FG and FF are (personalities aside ) the same for all practical purposes -ditto the DUP and UUP.

    I cannot see the ILP ever merging with FG or FF .At this stage the task for the ILP is political survival in face of the threat to their political existence by SF and by the haemorraghing of their voters to SF, Independents and FF .

    Desmond Boal not Goal used to imbibe in O’Neill’s pub on Suffolk St off Dame St in Dublin . He may have decided there that the heady mix of politics and religion in NI was not a course that would ever lead to “normal politics ‘

    Shrewd chap . Must be long retired by now I imagine .

  • FuturePhysicist

    Joining the ECR is not the problem, Jim Nicholson had the integrity to campaign on the ECR ticket, Brian Crawley defected at an early stage. You have to honour your voters and many in Ireland South would feel their seat has been stolen.

    On this issue Jim Nicholson has shown himself to be more republican than Brian Crawley. He made his intentions a public affair from the beginning.

  • Roy Walsh

    Greenflag, if you live in the 26 counties you’ll see, daily, the effect of Fine Gael far right wing policies. Presently, the only thing stopping Mick Nonan pulling the rug from the public sector employees is, they’re the only people with any spending power, if you cut their incomes any further every p from Letterkenny to Cobh will be reducing staff.
    Coveney and Varadkar both in the running for next leader of that party. Phil Hogan equally so, are all very neo liberal on economics.
    My (corrected) reference to Boal was to show where the Democratic Unionist Party commenced in appealing to ordinary working class Protestants who, even in Snugville St. were no better off than their Catholic neighbors one hundred yards away in terms of vote quantity, unless they were paying rates, today, as I point above, they are promoting the severe cuts in benefits necessary to people to live, not live comfortably, just live, so betraying what one of their founding fathers set them up to be.
    The Labour party have, again, a shrinking vote, for them the problem being, it appears to be so shrunk they might not climb out of their self imposed pit.
    The rise of the Socialists/left leanind independents is the big concern for party politics generally although, given we return Teachta Dala, or messengers to bring our message to the Legislature, this might be no bad thing as the whip might be lessened in imposing unwanted laws.
    For Brian though, his move does, in no way, smack of a move by his party to the right, nor does it indicate the possibility of a merge between the oldest of enemies, the politics of the civil war is not over yet, just resting.