Rory to play for Ireland in the Rio Olympics…

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Rory McIlroy decides to play for Ireland in Brazil in two years time…

Speaking before playing in the Irish Open Pro-Am, and appropriately wearing a green polo shirt, McIlroy explained his decision-making process.

“When I actually sat down and thought about it, had a little time to myself, it was because as a boy, as an amateur, my ambition was always to play for Ireland – whether to play on the six-man team for the European Championships or the Home Internationals’ 11-man team, that was always my goal.

“If you look at most of the other sports in this country – rugby being a main example – they see Ireland as one.

“And I have a lot of friends who play for Ulster who would say they’re Northern Irish but are very proud to pull on the green jersey, as I will be in a couple of years’ time.”

[Noises off:  Columnists swallowing rashly written words from two or three years ago...]

  • Mc Slaggart

    What you orginally posted:

    “Look how they took a common denominator”

    Now its:

    “Well, in their case they were using something to unite all of the states under one banner (so to speak).”

    The only reason I can find for the “team GB” was marketing and money. Can you explain how you think the banner they made represented all the “home” nations?

  • MYtwocents

    Its not unusual for a Scot to wrap his/her self in the Saltire while competing for team G.B. and upon doing quite well in the Olympics, should Our Rory wear an N.I./Ulster flag/bannar and highlight the fact that Ireland is an island of two nations, I shall expect some weeping and gnashing of teeth.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    McSlaggart

    “The only reason I can find for the “team GB” was marketing and money. Can you explain how you think the banner they made represented all the “home” nations?”

    Yes.

    It’s the same colour as the flag of the UK, which represents them all (and also looks like a crumpled union flag).

    Really?
    Is the extent of your argument against my suggestion that a common flag (neither a tricolour nor an ulster flag nor a union flag) should be flown for when the two parts of Ireland come together for sporting purposes?

    Moving the goal posts a tad are we not (as usual)?

    Also, back to your point of “Should be treated in the same way as combined British sports teams. Why do you have a problem with that?”

    As I said before, I don’t.
    And this point runs contrary to the idea of having one state’s flag dominate the rest, so, to support this stance is to be opposed to the tricolour being used in an all-Ireland sporting context.
    Which, incidentally, is what I am against.

    So, if you are disagreeing with me, this is a very strange way of doing so.

    If you are agreeing with me, this is a very strange way of doing so.

  • GEF

    I dare say this new female golfer Stephanie Meadow
    ( representing Northern Ireland and came 3rd in the US Open female) will be having the same (Fleg) problem if she is chosen to play in the (female golf section) of Olympics 2016

    http://www.lpgascoring.com/public/Leaderboard.aspx

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/watch-out-rory-mcilroy-stephanie-meadow-is-new-darling-of-the-fairways-30378073.html

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    nilehenri

    I stand corrected, apparently there is at least one dyed-in-the-wool unionist who played for Ireland; David Tweed.

    Obviously he’s now a disgraced figure on account of his kiddie-fiddling but the point remains he was a hard line unionist who played for Ireland.

    So your assertion (and my agreement) on the matter of the hard liners not playing for the island have been proven wrong.

    Oops!

  • boondock

    Didnt Davy Tweed wear an Ulster shirt under his Ireland shirt to save his soul or something. You guys are going round in circles. A new flag will be needed for a new Ireland but that is a long way away. I think the rugby team might be able to come up with some agreed flag because the IRB are a sensible bunch and the Northern lads dont have a choice which team to play for. The Olympics is a different story and the IOC recognise only UK and Ireland so I cant see some ‘Island’ flag and anthem being allowed until there is an actual United Ireland and as has been stated ad nauseum the athletes from here can choose either team anyway so no need to fiddle with flags not that I would lose any sleep Am if Ireland did play under your green banner with a harp – problem being the Nelson McCausland types will still not be happy you know that guy thats not Irish but actually a lost Israeli

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    Boondock

    Fair comments.

    Let the record show though, that I’m not advocating an alternative flag for Ireland in the Olympics or what not.

    She is the Republic and anyone who chooses to play for the Republic should respect that.

    In this instance I’m just referring to the occasions when the two ‘Irelands’ come together for sporting purposes (though I always bitch about the tricolour as an obstruction when trying to sell a UI to unionists, but, that’s a different thread)

    I think you’re right about Tweed and the Ulster shirt.

    The Ulsterman-not-Irishman syndrome must surely be crying out for some sort of psychiatry paper or study or summat?

    As for McCausland and the lost tribe, I long for the day when a leader will cut a path through the Red, White and Blue Sea and take ‘em away.

    Can you imagine marching season in Jerusalem?!

  • Mc Slaggart

    Am Ghobsmacht

    “It’s the same colour as the flag of the UK, which represents them all!”

    I don’t think Wales is represented in that particular flag.

  • Mc Slaggart

    Am Ghobsmacht

    “Moving the goal posts a tad are we not ”

    You are the one who brought up the “team GB” as an exemplar.

    You will be glad to know that Irish organisations such as the FAI have similar symbols.

    http://www.fai.ie/

    Now “Team GB,” still use the Flag of the United Kingdom.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain_at_the_Olympics

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    McSlaggart

    Are you even paying attention?

    I used team GB as an example of someone who uses a unifying flag for 4 different states, you’re defending the use of the flag of one state to represent two different states.

    I am consistently against this idea, you, well, I dunno anymore, you just highlight bits of text, try to move the goalposts and then sometimes post an irrelevant link.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    McS

    “Am Ghobsmacht

    “It’s the same colour as the flag of the UK, which represents them all!”

    I don’t think Wales is represented in that particular flag.

    In a manner of speaking it is, whenever the flag was designed ‘Wales’ was still part of England.

    If they want to plaster a red dragon across the front of it I shan’t object…

  • Mc Slaggart

    Am Ghobsmacht

    “I used team GB as an example of someone who uses a unifying flag for 4 different states, ”

    Firstly Unionists objected because they are not included in the name.

    Secondly Wales is not included in the flag.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    Mc Slaggart

    1/ It still doesn’t mean that a tricolour is suitable for when both parts of Ireland come together for sporting purposes

    2/ “In a manner of speaking it is, whenever the flag was designed ‘Wales’ was still part of England.

    If they want to plaster a red dragon across the front of it I shan’t object…

    3/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cudO3aYDfUk

  • Mc Slaggart

    Am Ghobsmacht

    ““In a manner of speaking it is, whenever the flag was designed ‘Wales’ was still part of England.”

    “in a manner of speaking”
    Usage notes: sometimes used to suggest that something unpleasant is being described in a more pleasant way

    http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/in+a+manner+of+speaking

  • Mc Slaggart

    Am Ghobsmacht

    “It still doesn’t mean that a tricolour is suitable for when both parts of Ireland come together for sporting purposes”

    It is a suitable as the Union flag is when different parts of the UK come together for sporting purposes.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    Mc Slaggart

    “It is a suitable as the Union flag is when different parts of the UK come together for sporting purposes”

    Could you back that up with an argument please instead of just decreeing it?

  • Mc Slaggart

    Am Ghobsmacht

    ““In a manner of speaking it is, whenever the flag was designed ‘Wales’ was still part of England.”

    “in a manner of speaking”
    Usage notes: sometimes used to suggest that something unpleasant is being described in a more pleasant way

    http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/in+a+manner+of+speaking

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    Mc S

    Still waiting for your argument…

  • Mc Slaggart

    Am Ghobsmacht

    ““In a manner of speaking it is, whenever the flag was designed ‘Wales’ was still part of England.”

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    I see Mc S

    Difference 1/ Yes, in its modern form the union flag does not account for the changes to the states of Wales and Ireland and as such does not accommodate either Wales or NI.
    That being said (and this bit will probably be ignored in your next cut n paste) the union flag is still the official flag of the UK of which NI, Wales, Scotland and England are part of.

    Difference 2/ Unlike the tricolour, the union flag is not the flag of anyone state within the UK.
    Using the tricolour to represent NI would be on a par with still using the St Georges Cross to represent England and Wales, something that you have been at pain to highlight as inappropriate (in a union flag context).

    So, by your own logic, using the tricolour to represent NI is wrong as would using the st George’s cross to represent Wales.

    At least the Union flag and st George’s Cross DID for years represent the area now known as Wales.
    The same cannot be said for the tricolour and NI.

    So now, without further ado, could you please back up your decree that the tricolour “…. is a suitable as the Union flag is when different parts of the UK come together for sporting purposes”.

  • Mc Slaggart

    Am Ghobsmacht

    The Union flag is a flag of the monarch not the UK.

  • GEF

    The Union Jack,also known as the Union Flag, is the national flag of the United Kingdom.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Jack

    The Royal Standard of the United Kingdom is the flag used by Elizabeth II in her capacity as Sovereign of the United Kingdom and its overseas territories.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Standard_of_the_United_Kingdom

  • Mc Slaggart

    GEF

    From your link:

    No law has been passed making the Union Jack the national flag of the United Kingdom: it has become one through precedent. Its first recorded recognition as a national flag came in 1908, when it was stated in Parliament that “the Union Jack should be regarded as the National flag

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    McS

    So, the extent of your argument that the tricolour should represent the two Irelands in sporting matters is simply “The Union flag is a flag of the monarch not the UK.”?

    wow…

    Pardon me while I sing along with Josh Wink: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFfydjatQMU

  • Mc Slaggart

    Am Ghobsmacht

    “your argument that the tricolour should represent the two Irelands in sporting matters ”

    I never said that?

    What I asked you was:

    “The UK government accepted that everyone born in Northern Ireland is Irish at birth. Thus uniquely on this little ball flying though this part of the universe we have dual nationality at birth. FIFA has accepted this fact why cannot your good self do the same thing?”

    I then asked you:

    “Its a fact that citizens of a country may fly their national flag. You apparently do not want Irish citizens to fly their national flag?”

    on the issue of which flag I said

    “Their is lots of flags take your pick. Lots of people and organisations use different ones.”

  • Mc Slaggart

    What you apparently do not understand is that sporting organisations are not countries.

    For example:
    The football association of Ireland is an “association” who can pick players from any place on the earth that meet criteria. They have even picked players from outside of the Island of Ireland.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    But you said those things generally in response to my belief that it is incorrect that the tricolour should represent both of the Irelands for unified sporting events.

    So, before we go any further, do you agree or disagree with my belief?

  • Mc Slaggart

    Am Ghobsmacht

    What ” unified sporting events” are you on about?

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    Am Ghobsmacht

    What ” unified sporting events” are you on about?

    Rugby.

    As you know fine and well.

    Again, I ask “my belief that it is incorrect that the tricolour should represent both of the Irelands for unified sporting events.

    So, before we go any further, do you agree or disagree with my belief?

  • Mc Slaggart

    “Rugby.”

    What do the rugby people do that makes you upset?

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    Mc S

    Everyone knows that when your back is against the wall you simply try to wriggle your way out of the argument.

    Please man-up and stop wriggling:

    “my belief that it is incorrect that the tricolour should represent both of the Irelands for unified sporting events.

    So, before we go any further, do you agree or disagree with my belief?

  • Mc Slaggart

    Am Ghobsmacht

    “Please man-up and stop wriggling:”

    You have spent this thread either attacking me or making claims that have no basis in fact.

    For example:

    ” When team GB compete they do not use just the flag of England or Wales or Scotland, they have a pan-national flag that accounts for them all.”

  • Mc Slaggart

    Am Ghobsmacht

    “my belief that it is incorrect that the tricolour should represent both of the Irelands for unified sporting events.”

    As it stands you cannot give a single sports team that does such a thing. You say “Rugby” which never was keen to fly the Irish tricolor and claim only to do so now when the Irish president is in attendance at Irish tricolour.

  • Mc Slaggart

    Lansdowne Road

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    Mc S

    Whether they do or don’t fly it consistently is inconsequential, if they do it at all then I am opposed to it (if it is the only flag to be flown).

    Hence, my original assertion that t would be a nice idea to have a pan-Irish flag for when the two Irelands come together in a sporting context.

    Where do YOU stand on the matter?

  • Mc Slaggart

    Am Ghobsmacht

    The country is full of flags if you want to make more then I have no problem with it.

    The Starry Plough is getting very popular in Tyrone at the moment.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    Mc S

    “Hence, my original assertion that t would be a nice idea to have a pan-Irish flag for when the two Irelands come together in a sporting context.

    Where do YOU stand on the matter?

  • Mc Slaggart

    Am Ghobsmacht

    All flags are just designs and what they mean is open to interpretation.

    Some people say the Irish Tricolor is not about Catholic and protestant but “Northern Ireland” and “southern Ireland”. Quite frankly I don’t really care as long as Tyrone win in the football.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    Mc S

    For someone who doesn’t really care you have gone to great lengths to post about it and dodge my direct questions

    Also, “You have spent this thread either attacking me or making claims that have no basis in fact.

    For example:
    When team GB compete they do not use just the flag of England or Wales or Scotland, they have a pan-national flag that accounts for them all.”

    That is NOT incorrect, they are all part of the UK and the union flag is the flag of the UK.
    Just because you think you’ve found a nice wee loop hole in that the flag wasn’t altered to accommodate Wales is irrelevant; they’re part of the UK and the UK flag is the union flag.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    My point is that I feel that the tricolour is an inappropriate flag for when the two different political entities of the island come together in a sporting context.

    “I never got into the issue/idea of “two different states on the island”. I made it clear that sporting “orginisations picked players on the basis of eligibility. ”

    2/ What has this got to do with a ‘fleg’?

    “You on the other hand cannot accept that people in “Northern Ireland” have dual nationality.”

    3/Yes I can.
    I have no problem with it all.
    I have a problem with the idea that when the two politically separate parts of Ireland come together as a single sporting entity that they might be represented by only one flag from either entity, whether it be the tricolour or union flag.
    In such an instance neither flag is appropriate on its own.

  • Mc Slaggart

    ” two politically separate parts of Ireland come together as a single sporting entity”

    Who are you on about?

    http://www.cricketireland.ie/ ??

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    Mc Slaggart

    I think I’ve found the problem here:

    Are you aware that (at present) there are two political entities on the island?
    The Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland (UK)?

    For your posts are written as if this were not the case.

    Just checking.

  • Mc Slaggart

    Am Ghobsmacht

    ” two politically separate parts of Ireland come together as a single sporting entity”

    Who are you on about?

    The GAA?

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    Mc S