Cartoon – Brits [values] OUT!

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Of all the ink and wind spilt over Pastorgate, surely Alex Kane has it best (The View, BBC, 29.5.14):

“[Peter] Robinson is the leader of unionism in Northern Ireland. His primary job in that role alone is simply to promote the values of a multi-cultural, multi-national state. He makes people living here feel like they’re not quite part of the country and that’s very dangerous.”

Brigid Brophy wrote in the Spectator in 1981:

“The Northern Irish have indeed made themselves less and less like the British of the mainland by refusing to move on with the mainlanders from a merely numerical towards a tolerant conception of democracy.”

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  • http://www.oldfaith.wordpress.com truthfinder

    Alex Kane wrote, ‘Alex Kane has it best (The View, BBC, 29.5.14):

    “[Peter] Robinson is the leader of unionism in Northern Ireland. His primary job in that role alone is simply to promote the values of a multi-cultural, multi-national state. He makes people living here feel like they’re not quite part of the country and that’s very dangerous.”

    It is drivel like that which is either based on ignorance or deliberate deceit. PR job is to provide political solutions to the needs of people living in NI based on the promises in his manifesto. He is not there to promote the values of other religions or cultures. Further, I wonder how Alex Kane thinks PR could do what Alex actually claims he should do. How would PR promote the competing and contradicting values/beliefs of Dominus Iesus, Book of Mormon and the Westminster Confession of Faith? Should he lie and state that all are equal?

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    Truthfinder

    Given your moniker I find it odd that you ‘misinterpreted’ Alex’s comments;

    ” is simply to promote the values of a multi-cultural, multi-national STATE”

    is not the same as

    ” to promote the values of other religions or cultures”

    State is in the accusative in the former and religions and cultures are the accusative in the latter, ergo, two different things.

    One is about the safe guarding of a state that allows for multiculturalism, the other is potentially singling out cultures for special attention.

    So careful when you cast it aside as drivel.

    With regards to what PR can actually do, well, in his case it’s probably more to do with what he SHOULDN’T do/say that would be helpful.

    McConnell is entitled to his opinions.

    No argument there.

    But for a leading politician to support the Pastor’s hell spawn comments is incredible.

    It is not the pragmatic speech that can be provided only by a no-nonsense straight talking Ulsterman, it is more akin to the ignorant commentary of a drawling hill billy.

    “How would PR promote the competing and contradicting values/beliefs of Dominus Iesus, Book of Mormon and the Westminster Confession of Faith?”

    Why would he have to?
    Do many FMs do this?

    I lived in Scotland for years, I don’t ever recall a FM promoting one over the other.
    Also, it matters only to a minority of the population.

    “Should he lie and state that all are equal?”

    If it makes you feel better he could reiterate whatever the law of the land says regarding these matters.

    If the law of the land contains something along the lines of “themuns are all spawned in hell”, well, at least he has back up.

  • Morpheus

    “How would PR promote the competing and contradicting values/beliefs of Dominus Iesus, Book of Mormon and the Westminster Confession of Faith? Should he lie and state that all are equal?”

    Finder (I’ll leave out the ‘truth’ bit if you don’t mind) but what is the pecking order here? Is it a case of only those who have the values/beliefs of the Westminster Confession of Faith are going to heaven and the rest are destined for hell? Does the Dominus Iesus come above the Book of Mormon? Vice versa?

    PR is perfectly entitled to live by the values/beliefs of the WCF but it is time to go when it starts to interfere with the running of the country. The country he attempts to run – and I do mean attempts – is a multi-cultural, multi-race, multi-domination, multi-faith and has an increasing number of those with no faith whatsoever and it is his job to ensure that he represents them all and welcomes them – he most assuredly did NOT do that this week.. He cannot force the values/beliefs of the WCF, something not supported by huge numbers here in Northern ireland onto others. He has embarrassed Northern ireland beyond measure on a global scale this week and the lack of public apology from the office he holds, never mind the man himself, means its time to go

  • Delphin

    Is it a case of only those who have the values/beliefs of the Westminster Confession of Faith are going to heaven and the rest are destined for hell?
    No it’s worse than you think, it’s only followers of Pastor Billy McBigot of Ballybigot gospel hall will go to heaven the rest of us I’m afraid, are doomed.

  • gendjinn

    Calls for PRs resignation are starting to come in and Muslim doctors in the the northern health service are talking about quitting.

    Are unionist leaders so foolish that they can’t see they are pushing immigrants into the arms of Alliance, SDLP & SF. Do they not realise that come the border poll Muslims, Asians, Poles will vote for unification to spite those that spit on them?

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Delphin, its even worse than that. Billy McBigot will be rewarded in this world with all the cash and the goodies also:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology

    I’m finding that a “pop” version of this nonsense, (some might think Blasphemous nonsense) is going the rounds of a number of my local evangelical halls!

    And, Truthfinder, regarding that boy Peader, “His primary job in that role alone is simply to promote the values of a multi-cultural, multi-national state.” Well, actually, yes! He is supposed to represent the interests of all his “subjects” and not simply use the excuse of an election mandate to push his own quirky ideas (or the quirky ideas of a body of thought making a hubristic claim that they are the sole source of spiritual truth).

  • ayeYerMa

    What utter drivel. So only leftist neo-“liberal” dogma represents “British values”? The current leftist culturally Marxist ideology which has infested all aspects of the establishment in British politics is about to be purged.

    Though, whether this purge comes soon enough to avert upcoming civil war in England remains to be seen. Personally, I’d rather Northern Ireland doesn’t turn into the 3rd world shithole that we are seeing most English cities being transformed into. Much better to actually care about the prosperity of your own local people than a rigid adherence to flawed and broken “liberal” cultural relativist ideology — an ideology which is fuelled not by truth and reason, but by its proponents own narcissistic useful idiocy, and ability to show-off how much they can out-“PC” each other and be the biggest zealot towards adhering to an ideology contrived for no other reason than to promote the suicide of the target nation.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    AYM

    As much as it’s a waste of time asking you to back up your Daily Mail-esque alarmism, nonetheless, I’ll waste my hangover on it;

    WHAT are you on about?

    Do you actually read peoples’ posts in their entirety or just cherry pick the parts that ‘betrays them as a leftie’?

    Your assumptions and use of words like ‘purge’ conjure up images of some chekist type who has a gulag quota to fill.

    “So only leftist neo-”liberal” dogma represents “British values”? ”

    Who said that?

    Why do you interpret this to be the assumption?

    Surely sticking up for minority groups is just a decent thing to do?

    Now, before you assume that I’m one of those types who only defends minorities and doesn’t scrutinise some of their members on account of them being from a minority group, let me be clear this is not the case.

    If some one steps out of line then I care not for their religion or colour, off with their heads (metaphorically speaking you understand).

    “Personally, I’d rather Northern Ireland doesn’t turn into the 3rd world shithole that we are seeing most English cities being transformed into”

    NI has the advantage of bucket loads of money coming in from London, remove this from the equation and there’s a good chance NI would eclipse the cities that you refer to.

    And seriously, why are you trying to hysterically equate anyone who doesn’t hold ‘disgusted, Tonbridge Wells’ views as Marxists, leftists, etc?

    Not so long ago Turgon was telling me how racist I am, and yet here I find you’re labelling people such as myself as overtly PC lefties.

    Could it be that you just analyse things properly?

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    gendjinn

    “Are unionist leaders so foolish that they can’t see they are pushing immigrants into the arms of Alliance, SDLP & SF. Do they not realise that come the border poll Muslims, Asians, Poles will vote for unification to spite those that spit on them?”

    I agree entirely.

    Back in the day, when I was even more naïve, I foolishly assumed that the OO and unionist parties etc would outreach to all the Poles coming over.

    Anyone with half a brain could have foreseen that they would be a demographic that is young and Catholic orientated.

    As such, I would have thought it imperative to ‘greet’ them and show them the benefits of the union and what unionists, the OO etc are about.

    But nope.

    Quite the opposite in fact.

    “These Vatican worshipping imports are part of a papal scheme to undermine loyal Ulster! Let’s burn their fleg!”

    Honestly, if I was to ask you to devise a list of actions that unionist leaders could enact that would facilitate a united Ireland would there be many actions on the list left unchecked?

  • gendjinn

    aym,

    waaaaaaaa those meanies are so hypocritical, they claim to be tolerant but they are intolerant of my intolerance.

    Yes, yes we are and damn proud of it. Xenophobia like yours has been at the root of genocide, slaughter and torture throughout the ages. We are not standing for it anymore.

    I think I read your post in an Ian Kershaw book recently.

  • gendjinn

    Am Ghobsmacht,

    there was no other way for it to work out. The OO is constitutionally incapable of reaching out beyond the Unionist & Protestant group.

    To be fair to the OO, it wasn’t just them. Remember the Sandy Row is Sandy Row protests?

    Nor is the problem limited to just Catholic immigrants, we’ve seen the abuse that Anna Lo & Alliance have been dealing with the past two years. We have aym, truthfinder & cohorts on here blatantly promoting bigotry. Bigotry that has been publicly endorsed by the leader of political unionism & first minister of the state (his non-apology, apology only dug the hole deeper).

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    genjinn

    ” Remember the Sandy Row is Sandy Row protests?”

    AG not know them, who where they, precious?

  • gendjinn

    Am Ghobsmacht,

    Random google result & many other references

    You know about the infamous George Seawright comments, right?

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    What the Dickens?!

    I’m afraid that episode passed me by.

    I was a tad ill in 2004 and avoided anything that might agitate me, which meant a Norn Irish political blackout.

    In fact, while I lived in Glasgow I tuned out of NI altogether, there was ample bigotry and political nuttiness in the areas I lived, so I had my ‘fix’.

    Anyhoo, after reading that, I wonder should we rebrand parts of Loyalism as ‘Rangersism’? As the only thing that unites many of these people is their support of Glasgow Rangers, NOT British values.

    Never heard of George Seawright (even though I just googled him and it turns out I lived in one of his old stomping grounds in Glasgow…)

    What were the comments, go on, surprise me.

    Ah dares ya.

  • gendjinn

    Am Ghombsmacht,

    it isn’t just Loyalists, the middle & upper classes are just as bad. They are just more urbane in their statements and less public.

    “[Irish catholics] are just fenian scum who have been indoctrinated by the Catholic Church. Taxpayers’ money would be better spent on an incinerator and burning the lot of them. Their priests should be thrown in and burnt as well.” – Seawright.

  • Greenflag

    @ Truthseeker & Andnotfinding,

    ” How would PR promote the competing and contradicting values/beliefs of Dominus Iesus, Book of Mormon and the Westminster Confession of Faith? Should he lie and state that all are equal?e competing and contradicting values/beliefs of Dominus Iesus, Book of Mormon and the Westminster Confession of Faith? ”

    He should of course tell the truth and admit that all are religious ideologies and matters of faith for their believers or adherents or the brainwashed if you like and none of them has a shred of evidence that any of their Gods have ever existed other than those who have existed as ‘human beings ‘ .

    The Truth is too painful for the likes of Pastor McConnell and /or Truthfinder and ditto for those of the other religiously demented faiths etc .

    Life is not a dress rehearsal .It’s a once only blip of light in an eternity of darkness so make sure that while you have have it the light of life -don’t use it to propagate the false doctrines of backward religions which includes all of them !

  • Greenflag

    Am Ghobsmacht ,

    Here’s the buffoon’s -‘ Incinerate the Fenians ‘ Seawright
    short life of flag wavery and other idioicies :(

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Seawright

    Heres the youtube memorial for the same man

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxi4zd3PzIk

    Just as well that comments have been disabled for that video .

    His widow was I believe elected to Belfast City Council as late as 1993 .

    Anyway they now have young Jolene Bunting to carry on the good work /wave the flag /continue hating Catholics /Republicans and the Irishry even if the present shower stop short of advocating the incinerator solution .

    It’s all that Christian faith ye see about ‘lovin your neighbour as you would yourself ‘ So I guess if one hates oneself than why should’nt one hate one’s neighbour ?

    Some will never learn the easy way . Seawright never even learned the hard way :(

  • Greenflag

    AG ,

    ‘As the only thing that unites many of these people is their support of Glasgow Rangers’

    Are Rangers still in the turd division or moving up ? I’ve lost track . Looks like Roy Keane may be retiring as Celtic’s manager by the time Rangers have been purged of their fraudulent financial doings which had them consigned to the outer Hebrides if not darkness for several seasons ?

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    GF

    “Are Rangers still in the turd division or moving up ?”

    I dunno.

    I personally hate the old firm.

    Should I inherit a fortune from an unknown distantly related Russian oligarch I would buy both teams, merge them and demolish both stadiums.

    I’d extend the cemetery at Parkhead and turn Ibrox into housing.

    Or sumfin.

  • Greenflag

    AG ,

    Rangers are now in the Scottish Championship league so Old Firm games will have to wait another season . Can’t hate the Old Firm they at least give some people in Glasgow sumfin to cheer about and the worst sectarianism is largely a thing of the past -at least in Scotland . Admittedly in Belfast primitive vestiges survive but then that is’nt restricted to sports activities alone .

    Note to AG ‘must’nt hate ‘ They say Jesus would’nt approve of this oft times irrational human trait ?

    Although quite a few of JC ‘s latter day adherents seem very comfortable with ‘hating ‘ their neighbours ?

    So why do they believe what they believe about whatever it is that makes them supposed to believe it ? i.e in theory love your neighbour -in practice incinerate the bastards ?

    I guess even JC himself would be non plussed ?

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    GF

    ” Can’t hate the Old Firm they at least give some people in Glasgow sumfin to cheer about and the worst sectarianism is largely a thing of the past -at least in Scotland .”

    meh.

    Some to cheer about and the rest of the central belt has to wonder about the increased likelihood of getting a doing if they head out that night.

    but I suppose that could apply to many football rivalries, but I found the Old Firm to be toxic.

    “Note to AG ‘must’nt hate ‘ They say Jesus would’nt approve of this oft times irrational human trait ?”

    Touche!

    Leonard Cohen took it a step further:

    “I saw Jesus on the cross on a hill called Calvary
    “Do you hate mankind for what they done to you?”
    He said, “Talk of love not hate, things to do – it’s getting late.
    I’ve so little time and I’m only passing through.” …

  • Mainland Ulsterman

    A reminder that most unionists, even of those who vote, don’t vote DUP. There is no such thing as the “leader of unionism”. But otherwise I agree with Alex Kane. Being unionist does not mean having to be a carbon copy of people elsewhere in the country – we’re a diverse nation after all – but there are some areas where the Little Ulster brigade veers dangerously away from mainstream modern British and indeed Western values. Robinson has certainly done little for the union or his own voters with this latest religious nonsense.