Quick STOP THE PRESS! Religious prejudice rediscovered in Northern Ireland…

Not sure what others make of this latest culture war controversy, but I think Jim Sheridan captures my own confusion at the broad surprise in the media and the political classes…

Shared space anyone?

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  • Joe_Hoggs

    The real story here is who’s Jim Sheridan?

  • tacapall

    Not quite the same as Peter Robinsons trusting a Muslim to go to the shop for him remark, that little nugget was on a par with – I’ve nothing against negro’s in fact I believe everybody should have one.

  • Mick Fealty

    He has a twitter account and a sense of humour Joe… Don’t tell me he needs to have a mandate or own a newspaper?

  • Mark

    This time I don’t think it’s the reaction of the Media / Political Class / Beautiful People that is the story . The actual comments made by PR and the fact that this smug man feels he can get away with it is the story and the guy should go . He’s not some junior party member , he’s the First Minister who has made news accross the world in such a negative , destructive way . Other posters have made the point of foreign investment etc and they’re right of course …. it’s that picture in yesterdays IN of him in his checked shirt with that ” I can get away with anything ” look on his face . Any other ” civilised ” country and he’d be gone . His feet wouldn’t touch the ground .

    The author of the post makes the point about ” sure what do you expect , it’s the North / NI ” . Thats the problem .

  • Zig70

    I blame the sneering class of non voters who can’t see the good in anyone. They sit at home in their wee nuclear family and think screw the rest of you and leave us to be governed by a bunch of numpties.

  • Joe_Hoggs

    Mick,

    I couldn’t possibly comment on his sense of humour, playing the man and being on a yellow etc etc.

    Mark,

    Nobody in the DUP would have reacted differently. Should Marty resign for veiled threats against the police?

  • Mark

    Joe ,

    Are the police one third of the world’s population who have different religious views to Peter Robinson ? .

  • http://nalil.blogspot.com Nevin

    Another gem from the boul Jim :)

    Jim Sheridan @Jim_Sheridan · 4h

    Unionist leaders have always used fear to control their “flocks”, now the new threat is Islam since they’re losing their grasp. #LiesAndFear

  • Joe_Hoggs

    Mark,

    Yes or no, should the FFM be making veiled threats against the police??

  • Mark

    And Joe , McGuinness’ veiled threat can be construed depending on your view , the circumstances in which it took place …. and did he really threaten the PSNI .

    Robinson is lucky there isn’t a fatwah issued against him .

  • Joe_Hoggs

    Ah yes Nevin, Unionists are the bad guys – it’s like cowboys and Indians to you.

  • Joe_Hoggs

    That’s fine Mark – threats to the police are OK. As a society we are becoming more divided than ever.

  • Ulidian

    Mark

    Fan of fatwas are you? They pretty much encapsulate the essence of the modern “faith” of Islam.

  • Mark

    Ulidian ,

    My comment was made to emphasize the seriousness of his warped remark . I wouldn’t be big on fatwahs as you probably guessed but a few lashes might put manners on him .

  • http://nalil.blogspot.com Nevin

    Ahem, Joe, I think you’ve misinterpreted my intervention.

  • Mick Fealty

    You were playing the man Nev, so what do you expect?

  • Backbencher

    Something to ponder – what would Britain or Ireland be like to live in if Islam was the majority faith?

  • Banjaxed

    J-H, if you are unwilling or unable of seeing the potential damage an arrogant fuckwit like our FM is capable of doing by his dismissive and appalling comments on the followers of a major world religion, it’s time you went back to your first-times tables. Troll if you wish; begrudge till you run out of breath; but, at some time or other – and it would certainly be a historic first – would you at least make some sort of a positive statement on Slugger threads rather than a pre-school, pre-brainformed knee-jerk bark.

  • Ulidian

    Backbencher

    Going on the experience of the real world (not the pc “religion of peace” nonsense) an absolute hellhole.

  • Mick Fealty

    See what just happened to Joe, Banjaxed?

  • http://gravatar.com/joeharron Mister_Joe

    Something to ponder – what would Britain or Ireland be like to live in if Islam was the majority faith?

    Well, If it was something like Turkey, where I have visited a few times, it would be just fine. If it was like Saudi Arabia, I wouldn’t be too happy.

  • Mc Slaggart

    @Mick Fealty,

    “culture war”

    This is an expression that you have used on an number of occasions.

    Would you please define what you mean when you use the term.

  • Banjaxed

    Point taken, Mick.

  • Mc Slaggart

    Backbencher

    “Something to ponder – what would Britain or Ireland be like to live in if Islam was the majority faith?”

    It is not that much different to Christianity. The Bible is basically part of the Koran.

  • Tochais Síoraí

    Would Peter let a Catholic do his shopping for him?

  • SK

    “Would Peter let a Catholic do his shopping for him?”
    ____

    He doesn’t trust one to make his coffee for him, that’s for sure…

  • GEF

    Its not only Peter Robinson, Pastor McConnell and numerous Northern Ireland Protestants who have such views on Islam’s rise in Europe and the West.

    “Many Catholics also fail to realize the political nature of Islam and imagine that a mosque, like a church, is simply a place of worship. But a mosque is more than that. Political and community issues are dealt with in a mosque, and calls to jihad are frequently issued in mosques. For example, many of the “Arab Spring” demonstrations were set in motion from mosques following the Friday sermons. Moreover, there are many instances of mosques being used for mentoring terrorists or for storing arms and explosives. According to a popular Muslim poem:

    The mosques are our barracks,

    the domes our helmets

    the minarets our bayonets

    And the faithful our soldiers

    Many Muslims think of Islam not only as a religion but also as an army—an army with a mission of subjugation. That’s why the penalty for apostasy is death. Just as a deserter from an army in time of war may be punished with the death penalty, so also a deserter from the army of Islam.

    http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/1757/islams_rise_and_the_wests_denial.aspx

  • IrelandNorth

    Could this be: (a) An attempt to creatively refocus any residual intra-Christian sectarianism outside one’s generic religiosity. (b) An attempt to ingratiate oneself with the American hard right to assuage any collatoral damage from blotting Dr Haass’s diplomatic copy book. Or (c) A rather credulous attempt to dubiously correlate ex-Provisional paramilitarism with radical Islamic fundamentalism, not least with Premier Robinson’s condescending refrences to “minorities” etc. With politics like this, who needs reality TV?

  • quality

    It’s not ‘new’ news, but it’s news nonetheless.

    The inference is that it shouldn’t have been reported or buried on page 31?

  • Mc Slaggart

    GEF

    “Many Muslims think of Islam not only as a religion but also as an army”

    I would think that many Muslims are very very angry. If you do not know why then try looking at the world from their point of view.

    For example it would be perfectly reasonable for the Irish to round up all the “protestants” and let them have a walled East Belfast and a walled strip of land in Antrim.

  • RegisterForThisSite

    @Mick Fealty,
    “culture war”
    This is an expression that you have used on an number of occasions.
    Would you please define what you mean when you use the term.

    @Mick Fealty @Mc Saggart

    Saggart you beat me to it, noticed it turning up in a lot of posts recently, were’nt the Fleggers and OO whining about a cultural war, think it’s related to putting a fleg on everything and pissing up against churches, ie if you disagree you’re attacking their culture

  • RegisterForThisSite

    @GEF

    The mosques are our barracks,

    the domes our helmets

    the minarets our bayonets

    And the faithful our soldiers

    Funnily enough the current PM of Turkey was once sentenced to 10 months for publicly reciting that very poem.

    Whats your point exactly?

  • GEF

    “Many Muslims think of Islam not only as a religion but also as an army”

    Mc Slaggart, you should challenge the Catholic Church as it is from their website below that quote came from.

    RegisterForThisSite, Likewise its not my point, its the point of the Catholic Church. Please Read their website I enclosed before.

    http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/1757/islams_rise_and_the_wests_denial.aspx

  • GEF

    RegisterForThisSite “Funnily enough the current PM of Turkey was once sentenced to 10 months for publicly reciting that very poem”.

    Please enclose documentation to prove your point.

  • Alan N/Ards

    Robinson needs to resign. He has crossed the line and should fall on his sword.

    McSlaggart
    That’s very reasonable of you. Looking forward to moving to East Belfast or Antrim.

  • Mc Slaggart

    Alan N/Ards

    “That’s very reasonable of you. Looking forward to moving to East Belfast or Antrim.”

    On TV I see they have already got Israel flags flying in East Belfast to welcome the new influx of people.

  • RegisterForThisSite

    RegisterForThisSite, Likewise its not my point, its the point of the Catholic Church. Please Read their website I enclosed before.
    @GEF
    OK, read it again, it still appears to be a quote from an author being interviewed by a reporter for a e-magazine that claims to offer a orthodox Catholic view.

    Really not sure how you made the leap that it was the Catholic Church’s point of view and that it is their website.

    If you look up wikipedia you’ll find the info on the PMs page.

  • http://www.e-consultation.org/ davenewman

    Here in Oxford, the Asian businesses came out against Labour for trying to force taxi drivers to replace their cars every 3 years. So they distributed the posters of the parties that came second to Labour in the local elections (mostly the Green Party here).

    That is the sort of issue that gets talked about on the way to prayers in our Mosques, not jihad. Mosques do have a role in organising community events and taking care of the poor and suffering. Something that many churches do (although not those particular evangelicals who follow the American right in worshiping the rich).

    Is Peter Robinson’s problem the same as most racists? Not having met many Muslims, he just believes the propaganda he reads. That’s not a problem in London or many cities in England.

  • http://WindowsIDHotmail danielsmoran

    Tapacall [11.32] Possibly, after Robbogate has faded from tv screens Van Morrison might care to rewrite that verse including the line ‘gone for cigarettes and matches in the shops’
    But the killer line from the muslim leader who received PR last night, was that perhaps more wisdom could be used next time. Ouch!.

  • http://WindowsIDHotmail danielsmoran

    Banjaxed[12.31] It’s hard to see how much more of a dog’s breakfast Robinson could have made if he was trying to end his career, than what he’s succeeded in doing, by not thinking it through. This whole episode has beedn entirely self inflicted, and as Alex Kane said on twitter, ‘go now. this won’t get any better’. Our FM might ruefully recall his DSD minister’s press man Stephen Brimstone’s chilling line to Cllr Palin. The Party comes First.

  • BarneyT

    The comment about letting them run errands is less prone to misinterpretation is it not and is perhaps the most offensive element. There’s no wriggle room on that class ridden hint of colonial superiority statement

  • Reader

    Barney T: There’s no wriggle room on that class ridden hint of colonial superiority statement
    On the contrary. One might say the same about the Free P’s – i.e. that you could trust them with your property if not with your liberties.
    Of course, if you were talking about the Free P’s you might choose your language more carefully.

  • gendjinn

    [Muslim|Pole|Catholic|Irish] another day, another leader of unionism endorsing bigotry, while ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ELECTED UNIONIST is silent or in vocal agreement.

    Quick STOP THE PRESS ….Northern Irish Unionist Politicians are prejudiced against someone of a different religion!

    There, fixed the tweet.

    It would be helpful if similar statements from nationalist politicians were included, I mean, if you can find any.

  • DC

    @gendjinn

    ‘It would be helpful if similar statements from nationalist politicians were included, I mean, if you can find any.’

    In response –

    “Now I need hardly say – need I? – that I come from a different end of the pitch, being a left-footer, a Taig. But I’m right with Mr Robinson when he tells the Deputy First Minister, Sinn Fein’s Martin McGuinness where to get off on all this. Mr McGuinness has expressed his shock, his distaste, his outrage, at Pastor McConnell’s sentiments; Mr Robinson says he’s not going to take lessons on anything from someone so mired in terrorism as Martin McG. And he’s right. While you weren’t looking, Sinn Fein has morphed from a republican party with a close association with the IRA and a natural grounding in the Catholic community, into the most irritatingly politically correct body – north and south of the border – you will encounter. It’s Harriet Harman with a thing about the Easter Rising. But there is the taint of terrorism there. And this being so, I would, if I were Mr McGuinness, go easy on clambering onto the moral high ground; I would let evangelical Protestants be evangelical Protestants.”

    Spectator – http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/melanie-mcdonagh/2014/05/let-evangelical-protestants-be-evangelical-protestants/

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    Ein minutten bitte

    Pastor McConnell tarred an entire religion (from what I gather, perhaps he specified later)

    A religion that takes in cultures from a wide range of peoples and places; Saharan and sub-Saharan Africa, the middle east, Persia, the Indian sub-continent, parts of Europe, the Eurasian steppes and the thousands of Malay islands in SE Asia.

    All bound together and roundly condemned as if they’re one and the same.

    I would like to hear the uproar should anyone refer to the pastor and his flock as ‘Irish'; forsooth!!!

    Now, the bones that people have to pick with Islam, the extreme parts, well, I get that.

    But people have to make it perfectly clear that they’re condemning the lunatic fringe, not just rope the whole bally lot together.

    People should remember that most people who suffer from Muslim extremism are, well, ordinary Muslims. (Not accounting for wartime here, lest anyone throw in a couple of Syrian examples).

    Think how difficult it is to stick up to hardliners in NI and then try and imagine sticking up to hardliners in the Muslim community, it can’t be easy.

    But that’s no reason to lump them altogether.

    The last thing NI needs is MORE religious intolerance.

    Plus, given they’re relative absence from NI, I can’t say I particularly trust the great Northern Irish mob to be too ‘discerning’ about which target to stick their proverbial pitchforks into, do you honestly believe your typical knuckle-dragging reactionary knows the difference between a Hindu or a Muslim?

    “He’s wurin’ a bandage on his head jus lyke yer mawn Bin laudin!”

    Hell’s bells Margaret, can you imagine trying to explain that (in a simplified fashion) Allah and ‘God’ are the same?!

    Heads would be popping like the lemmings in that Amiga computer game.

    ———————

    We’ve spent so long trying to convince ourselves how different we are from each other whether it be how ‘non-British/Irish’ we are/aren’t or why a Magennis is different from a McGuinness that now ‘proper’ foreigners (not just Sassenach or ‘planters’) have started to arrive the xen-o-meter has been cranked up to ‘eleven’.

  • http://gravatar.com/joeharron Mister_Joe

    You get what you pay vote for.
    May Allah help us all.

  • gendjinn

    @DC,

    so you don’t actually have any.

  • Pint of Plain

    Galloway’s going back to Britain,
    And Mohammed’s going to the shops.
    Robbo’s not for quittin’
    And Houston’s red about the chops.

    (Banjo solo)