Geraldine Finucane: “A deep wound cannot be stitched over and just left because it won’t heal”

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In the week the Victims Commissioner quietly and discreetly left her post, the BBC’s Stephen Sackur conducted an unusually moving and telling interview with Geraldine Finucane, widow of Pat Finucane. I recommend watching the whole thing, but I think the end was the most powerful and universal:

There is an analogy that I use quite frequently, which I think sums Northern Ireland up quite well. If you have a wound, a wound of any sort, you treat it a certain way to make it heal.

Deep wounds, which this has turned out to be, because it was about collusion which affected the whole of Northern Ireland. A deep wound cannot be stitched over and just left because it won’t heal.

It’ll fester, and eventually it’ll burst. And that is what’s happening in Northern Ireland at the minute. Because not only have Pat Finucane and collusion not been dealt with but a number of other things have not been dealt with.

And the trouble in Northern Ireland is escalating all the time.

Quite.

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  • cynic2

    And a further problems are when

    1 some of those who might close the wound don’t want it to heal for their own political purposes

    2 insist that their wound can only be healed in the way they demand to the exclusion of other approaches and other wounds

    so its not as simple as the analogy sounds

  • DC

    Is it not the case that Geraldine Finucane actually knows the truth?

    She’s just not getting names.

  • mr x

    @Mick fealty

    He was a real-life Tom Hagen.

  • aquifer

    So the state had conspiracies.

    Who else?

    and would they tell all, even to their own?

  • Pete Rock

    On the subject of “is sectarianism on the wane” I’d say it most definitely is.

    As politically slow, backward and painful it’s been since the GFA was signed, it’s definitely made space for generations to grow without the social baggage the Troubles came with.

    Obviously there’s still walls both physical and mental to climb but we’re certainly moving in the right direction.

    An amnesty can hypothetically bring truth but will it bring reconciliation if that truth isn’t what certain families want to hear?

  • http://www.oldfaith.wordpress.com truthfinder

    I would find her words having some grounds if she:

    (1) Condemned the sectarian activities of her three IRA terrorist sectarian brothers in law, Dermot Finucane, John Finucane, and Seamus Finucane.

    (2) Condemned the sectarian murders of her husband’s clients – the most famous of which was Bobby Sands.

    (3) Addressed openly the claims under oath concerning her husband’s alleged IRA activities as delineated by Sean O’Callaghan, RUC Chief Constable Sir John Hermon and former UDR major, Lord Maginnis. It would be good to see all the intelligence evidence relating to Pat Finucane’s life placed on public record.

    While the murder of Pat Finucane is not justified, I can think of hundreds of more worthwhile individuals whose deaths are worth investing my time and energy. It is most strange and surely not coincidental that the republican community have elevated Finucane to cause celebre status when he was supposedly a “human rights” lawyer “dedicated to justice” when the same republican community advocated genocide against Protestants and the murder of Government officials and Judges. You don’t need a PhD in law to feel that something doesn’t quite add up!

  • Mick Fealty

    With the deepest of respect, isn’t this exactly the kind of conditionality we like to apply to victims so we don’t have to listen to what they might have to tell us?

    I still wince at the way some dealt with Anne Travers and her out-of-line-with-orthodoxy public utterances. As the poet says, “tread carefully…”

  • DC

    Is it not hypocritical to ask others to come out with the truth while failing to do so yourself? If Pat were alive today would he come out with the truth helpful to other victims perhaps harmed by the activities outlined above by truthfinder?

    His wife doesn’t seem to be following her own advice.

  • DC

    and of course anne travers has no such insights to shed or truth telling to make, there isn’t any victim/perpetrator connection as like that which hangs over the Finucanes, who could help others by telling what they know.

  • Mc Slaggart

    truthfinder

    ” the same republican community advocated genocide against Protestants ”

    Do you have a link to any speeches to support your claim?

  • SK

    A woman gives an interview about the murder of her husband (in front of her) and your response is to cast assertions on that woman, DC?

    Either come out and make an open accusation about the Finucanes or go slink back under your rock.

  • http://www.oldfaith.wordpress.com truthfinder

    John Adams once stated, “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”

    I have stated a series of facts associated with the life of Pat Finucane which are a matter of public record. If Mrs Finucane wishes to air the facts surrounding the record of her husband, then she should be prepared to address them all. I am most willing to listen to Geraldine Finucane if she is willing to address all the evidence and allegations in a public inquiry that has been placed on public record by a leading IRA informer (who has been attested as reliable by Irish Security Services, the head of the RUC at the time, and the Security Correspondent of the UUP. It is interesting that Sir John Hermon accepted there was no collusion over the Breen/Buchannan murders as he did not have any evidence otherwise to prove it (although subsequently the evidence has been found), yet the same Sir John Hermon openly stated of Pat Finucane, “Pat Finucane was associated with the IRA and he used his position as a lawyer to act as a contact between suspects in custody and republicans on the outside.”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/341084.stm

  • http://www.oldfaith.wordpress.com truthfinder

    McSlaggart

    I am not sure if you are a member of the Republican Ostrich Society or Gerry Adams Amnesia Club but if you lived in N. Ireland for the last 40 years your would have come across the graves of hundreds of butchered Protestants scattered throughout S. Armagh and Fermanagh. You can start with Kingsmill, Darkley, Teebane, Enniskillen, Tullyvallen just to give you a flavour of the evidence. You will find they had one thing in common – Protestants murdered in cold blood by Catholic Terrorists. Need I say more……..

  • Mick Fealty

    This is a touchy subject people, and I want this to be a genuinely open thread for all shades of opinion, but if you let it slide into man play, you’re going to find yourself out of it PDQ.

    Truthfinder,

    I’ve no problem directly with what you are saying, but it can also be seen as attacking the victim under considerable cover of whataboutery. Can we just pay some attention to what’s actually being said rather than who said it?

  • DC

    Mick Fealty encourages an open thread then proceeds to delete, wipe out comments belonging to others citing whataboutery! I thought Truthfinder (Ulster Press Centre with an upgrade?) made pertinent points and therefore re whataboutery surely that’s for the reader to decide not for the editor to pronounce and well ehm edit out!

  • Mick Fealty

    You want a Card?

  • DC

    I’ll take the Joker please :)

  • Turgon

    Mrs. Finucane’s position seems entirely reasonable. She is entitled to the truth. Additionally although she is not calling for prosecutions those would be appropriate where evidence is found.

    There are three points unionists can make: two legitimately and one non legitimately.

    Firstly she has already had some measure of justice. One man has been sent t gaol for her husband’s murder. More than is the case for many murders.

    Secondly she is insistent on high level collusion being involved and on a specific form of enquiry. She does appear to have prejudged the sort of enquiry she is willing to accept and the only outcome she will believe. That many be a bit unfair of her but considering her position and what has happened to her she cannot be blamed for that. Objectively, however, her demands may be unreasonable in that she will only accept what she already believes needs to be done and what outcome is correct.

    The final and sadly standard unionist response is to claim that her husband was in the IRA. This is not a valid response, demeans unionists who make it and makes them, not Mrs. Finucane, hypocrites. Even if he was an IRA man: he was murdered plain and simple. He was not holding a gun and shooting at soldiers. He was shot in his own home by a loyalist terrorist. His death was not that of Jim Lynagh. Even if he was in the IRA he deserved arrest, prosecution and gaol not a death sentence arbitrarily imposed by the UDA with or without any collusion.

    A form of whataboutery is, however, a reasonable response to Mrs. Finuacane. Whatabout the others murdered: their lives were no less precious and yet in few enough cases have we seen their murderer identified let alone convicted. Also collusion between the IRA and Irish government, British government, various parts of civil society etc. has not been discussed to anything like the same extent as that between loyalist terrorists and the British government.

    Geraldine Funicane’s campaign should be welcomed. She deserves answers: her husband was murdered. Collusion whether it be at high or low level should be exposed. All the other cases should receive exactly the same sort of attention. We have seen in mainland GB vast sums spent on an unsuccessful (and it appears ill-advised and inappropriate) prosecution in relation to PC Blakelock’s murder. Within the last couple of days I saw a newspaper headline with the met pledging to continue to try to prosecute the murderers of Yvonne Fletcher. We need the same sort of obsessive seeking of justice for all the RUC officers and everyone else murdered. The police in the UK are proud that they do not give up looking for a murderer for 60 plus years. Northern Ireland should be absolutely no different.

  • DC

    In the context of justice it doesn’t matter if her husband was in the IRA, but in terms of truth it does because her family has connections and knowledge – as highlighted above – the same sort of connections and knowledge she is asking the RUC to impart over its role in alleged collusion.

  • Neil

    Lots of people’s ‘families’ were in lots of organisations. That doesn’t invalidate their entitlement to justice. Essentially, what Turgon said. Either justice is blind or it isn’t. For a Unionist a selective approach seems foolhardy. Her case is interesting not least because there’s a hardening suspicion the collusion went to the dizziest heights of the ‘honest brokers’ in the British establishment and we all should know the truth. The truth shall set us free DC.

  • DC

    In the clip she wants the truth not justice. Families know the truth and what went on, I would find out the truth about what my brother in law did from for instance my sister, so to come on tv and ask for truth while refusing to or failing to open up herself is actually such a silly exercise for her to engage in given all that which hangs over the Finucanes. It disengages me, I disconnect, I don’t see the likelihood of reciprocity, an opening up, or something like that to make me believe that she really wants the truth all round. People i reckon need to be made to open up but that can only happen on a level playing field.

    Re Pat Finucane – a good lawyer or a corrupt lawyer, motivated by human rights or republican ideology, a guarantor of judicial due process or a clever wrecker?

    http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/regional/jean-mcconville-killer-is-named-1-5670723

    If Pat Finucane was in the IRA would the truth be that what happened to him that night was nothing other than the IRA’s campaign turning in on itself along the lines of if tonight our people were asked to cast their vote whether a convention should be entered into to stop the bombing of cities, the overwhelming majority would cry, “No, we will mete out to them the measure, and more than the measure, that they have meted out to us.

  • http://www.oldfaith.wordpress.com truthfinder

    Mister Joe

    The claims about Pat Finucane do not come from an accomplished liar. I have listed the pedigree of those who have made the claim and it is a powerful list of witnesses by those who were in a position to know.

    (1) Sean O’Callaghan was an Irish Government agent and senior IRA officer. His credibility was attested by British and Irish Security Services in a court of law. His testimony was used to discredit Slab Murphy in an open Irish court.

    (2) Sir John Hermon, who had access to all the intelligence reports as RUC Chief Constable, made the allegation repeatedly. Sir John was someone who did not rashly make such statements as was seen in his refusal to accept collusion in the Breen/Buchannan murders without objective evidence.

    (3) UDR Major and UUP Security Correspondent Ken Maginnis MP made the allegations. You may not like Maginnis but he does not have a track record of making false allegations.

    I don’t agree that Finucane should be murdered in cold blood as such action diminishes us all. But I fail to see why the Finucane family are given a pass on these issues and allowed to claim the moral high ground when there are obviously questions about justice surrounding Pat Finucane’s life. Furthermore, there was a person convicted for his death so it is not true that they have been neglected by the authorities. Why are the thousands of truly innocent victims being ignored by the media? It is proven that Finucane was a victim as he was unlawfully murdered but it is not proven that he was an innocent victim. It is immensely irritating that innocent victims like the lawyer Edgar Graham who was murdered by the IRA is ignored by the UN and Amnesty and the media yet Finucane is held up as a bastion of light.

    Geraldine Finucane deserves answers but so do we all about Pat Finucane, especially those who were the direct victims of the IRA’s grubby sectarian campaigns.

  • Mc Slaggart

    truthfinder

    The RUC and the Stevens Report said that Pat Finucane was not a member of the IRA.

    Do you accept that being a member of a republican family does not make you a member of the IRA?

    1
    Ken Maginnis:

    “The reality is that Pat Finucane was a member of a dedicated Republican family, many of whose members were actively engaged in terrorist activity – that is a proven fact.”
    2
    Sir John Hermon:

    “Pat Finucane was associated with the IRA and he used his position as a lawyer to act as a contact between suspects in custody and republicans on the outside.”
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/341084.stm

    3
    Sean O’Callaghan :
    “Did Finucane introduce himself as a member of the IRA? No. Did anyone present describe him as such? No. It was, however, exclusively an IRA meeting and quite clearly, without doubt, understood to be so by all present.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3590237/Finucane-should-not-have-been-killed-but-he-was-in-the-IRA.html

  • SK

    “so to come on tv and ask for truth while refusing to or failing to open up herself is actually such a silly exercise for her to engage in given all that which hangs over the Finucanes.”

    Meaning you will disregard anything she has to say until she makes a statement about her husband that more closely conforms to your unsubstantiated opinions about him.

    That your opinion has no evidence to support it is of little consequence. It “feels right” to you, and that’s enough eh?

    You should stick to ranting about flegs. Any deviation from your specialist subject and you obviously flounder.

  • Old Mortality

    As Turgon has pointed out, there has been a conviction for the Finucane murder. So far as I know, the individual concerned has never suggested that he acted under duress. Even if he had been, he could easily have botched the attack. He deliberately murdered Finucane of his own free will.
    Yet the Finucane family seem indifferent to his actions.
    It is difficult not to suspect a political motivation behind their campaign.

  • DC

    ‘I don’t agree that Finucane should be murdered in cold blood as such action diminishes us all.’

    Allow me to step outside of the moral framework for a moment to say – perhaps having him murdered actually protected and saved more lives, what would you say about that? It also throws up a neat human rights contradiction whereby Finucane was supposedly the champion of human rights but by actually getting rid of him more lives were in the end saved?

  • DC

    I imagine the powers that be may have wagered he was just too good and just too clever especially if he was getting known IRA men off and walking them out of court to fight another day and we all know what fighting another day would lead to?

    Perhaps it was this sort of rationale that republicans may have had of Edgar Graham.

  • tacapall

    Well it wouldn’t be surprising that an offspring of a slave trader would want rid of a person who he and his advisors considered as a threat to their way of life, the loss of a life to these people has now be proven to mean nothing. We all know who those advisors were and the consequences of that advice, who armed the trigger men and who facilitated their escape from justice an all that. How many different times did Ken Barrett admit to police officers he was involved in the murder of Pat Finucane and how many times did they allow him to go free before eventually charging him..

    “Perhaps it was this sort of rationale that republicans may have had of Edgar Graham”

    Perhaps he was the type of person both sides would want out of the picture considering loyalists dont support the idea of supergrasses an all.

  • DC

    Well it wouldn’t be surprising that an offspring of a slave trader would want rid of a person who he and his advisors considered as a threat to their way of life, the loss of a life to these people has now be proven to mean nothing.

    It doesn’t mean nothing it means something similar to that of Edgar Graham and the Graham family, so I think the Finucanes should tone themselves down to the level of the Grahams whose family members I don’t know and I only wish I could say the same of the Finucanes.

    There was a guy, Pat, who surrounded himself in a cause, wrapped himself up in it, immersed he was, talk about not being able to take it on the chin and shut up when it all backfires, rebounds like a boomerang back into their north Belfast home.

    Be like the Grahams and ssshhhhhh, let others more deserving of the limelight take it as like the Grahams have done.

  • tacapall

    “There was a guy, Pat, who surrounded himself in a cause, wrapped himself up in it, immersed he was, talk about not being able to take it on the chin and shut up when it all backfires, rebounds like a boomerang back into their north Belfast home”

    DC Why dont you say that to Ann Travers, Jean McConville or why dont you type the same message to the families of the Shankill bombing victims too seeing as you think some victims are attention seekers an all.

  • DC

    Edgar Graham a solicitor shot among friends at Queens, never mentioned, never hear of him so much so I couldn’t name you one of his family members.

    Pat Finucane a solicitor, supporting the cause, getting hideous men guilty of hideous things off, murdered in his home in similar circumstances, all shot up. Northern Ireland seemingly never hears the end of it.

    Compare and contrast.

    Republicans it would seem just can’t take it on the chin when their cause backfires and they get a taste of their own actions.

  • mr x

    Roy Foster is the Carroll Builders Professor of Irish History at Hertford College Oxford – the man who knows the score

  • tacapall

    And just brush under the carpet the fact that those who were employed to uphold the law were the very people who armed and controlled the murder gang that carried out his killing ?

    What cause did Patrick Finucane support ? Didn’t Jim Allister get hideous men guilty of hideous things off, didn’t those same police officers who facilitated Patrick Finucanes murder also make it their business to get hideous men to do hideous things and dont be all surprised if it comes out that state agents were involved in his murder outside Queens university, you forget he was a unionist politician and was armed at the time of his death, not that that makes it any more legitimate but if your going to ramble at least get your facts right.

  • DC

    The state did behave better as is expected of it, it didn’t kill as many as the IRA so I think it would be fair to say it holds the moral high ground or not very high ground but it still holds it.

    Republicans propagandise to the contrary like the big bad state was the worst and republicans for political purposes enjoy letting perfect get in the way of good when pitching this argument to constituents, why couldn’t the state not have killed anyone that would have been perfect, but sorry in the circumstances at the time it just couldn’t work out like that.

  • tacapall

    Did the state, acting on information supplied by Brian Robinsons armchair generals. behave better than expected when they executed him on the Crumlin Road ?

  • DC

    I’m not getting into a debate with you as I think you are beyond debating, set in your ways, incorrigible.

  • Kevsterino

    When organs of the state conspire to execute citizens outside an accountable judicial framework, it isn’t just the executed that suffer, nor those who are in cahoots with the executed.

    It is the state, and its forces, that loose their mantel of authority. That is something somewhat more valuable than the single human life that is lost.

    Anyone who thinks murdering Pat Finucane was wise, or good or justified isn’t thinking this thing through.

  • DC

    Anyone who thinks murdering Pat Finucane was wise, or good or justified isn’t thinking this thing through.

    An accountable judicial framework also relies on ethical lawyers as par for the course type thing, once you have rogue, unethical lawyers in the system the system would in time atrophy and everyone would be left taking the law into their own hands.

  • http://gravatar.com/joeharron Mister_Joe

    Pat Finucane a solicitor, supporting the cause, getting hideous men guilty of hideous things off..

    DC,
    I guess you’re telling us that you don’t subscribe to the legal tenet of the UK that people are innocent unless found guilty.

  • DC

    DC,
    I guess you’re telling us that you don’t subscribe to the legal tenet of the UK that people are innocent unless found guilty.

    No, you’re telling everyone that about me or suggesting that.

  • Submariner

    DC can you clarify which hideous men guilty of which hideous things did Finucane get off and how exactly did he accomplish it?

  • http://www.oldfaith.wordpress.com truthfinder

    I note not many are taking up the challenge of defending the integrity of Pat Finucane. The evidence lined up against him is certainly substantive so it is not simply an exercise of whataboutery. I have seen a number of programmes on the Finucane case yet not one mentioned the fact that three of his brothers were provos, that his clients were some of the worst kinds of sectarian killers, and the serious allegations by Sean O’Callaghan, Ken Maginnis, and Sir John Hermon that have been placed in the public domain against Finucane.

    The issue of collusion is an emotive one that must be based on facts. There is abundant evidence of Irish Government collusion with the IRA – haughey, blaney etc. Indeed, they helped fund and supply the provos. There is no parallel with the alleged links between the British State and loyalists. When did British Cabinet ministers and British Prime Ministers assist loyalists to procure arms? All the evidence to date indicates the British authorities convicted and imprisoned loyalists in greater proportional numbers to republicans. It seems a strange way to conduct collusion!!

    If the loyalists paramilitaries were using a modicum of thought in picking targets to undermine the republican armed struggle, then I would have thought that Pat Finucane (who had 3 brothers in the IRA) and successfully represented some of the leading IRA terrorists like Bobby Sands would have been high on their list of targets. There would be no need of any guidance by Special Branch. That said, if Special Branch had the evidence alluded to in the comments by Sir John Hermon and Sean O’Callaghan, it would not be surprising if some rogue elements within SB encouraged loyalists to especially target Finucane.

  • Mc Slaggart

    truthfinder

    ” not one mentioned the fact that three of his brothers were provos,”

    Why do you think they did that?

    “Sean O’Callaghan, Ken Maginnis, and Sir John Hermon that have been placed in the public domain against Finucane”

    I posted what they said up above. Not one said he was a member of the IRA! O Callaghan said “understood to be so by all present” in other words he assumed he was a member of the IRA.

    You need to explain why: “The RUC and the Stevens Report said that Pat Finucane was not a member of the IRA.”

  • http://www.oldfaith.wordpress.com truthfinder

    McSlaggart,

    Most people would reasonably think that this is a distinction without a difference. Assisting a terrorist organisation and perverting the course of justice are criminal offences. Even if it turns out the bearded one, who occupies the presidency of SF, has not had a time of selective amnesia recently and never actually filled in a membership form for the “boys” that does not absolve him of culpability for the sectarian campaign of the provos that he was intimately involved in.

    I condemn the murder of Finucane on moral grounds. I also think it has other negative unintended consequences for the loyalist cause. With the weight of evidence now in the public domain, it would have been much better to have had him investigated and put on trial. If proven guilty, he would have been stripped publicly of his “human rights lawyer” status and imprisoned with his three brothers. By murdering Finucane, the UFF have allowed his name and reputation to be largely sanitised. That is to be deeply regretted if the weight of public testimony is true. It certainly does not give any degree of justice to the hundreds of innocent victims of the republican sectarian campaign.

  • Mc Slaggart

    truthfinder

    “Most people would reasonably think that this is a distinction without a difference. ”

    Explicitly both the RUC and the Stevens Report disagree with you.

    Why do you think neither the RUC or Stevens report could find any trace of the…. “evidence alluded to in the comments by Sir John Hermon”

  • Granni Trixie

    I am quite shocked at what is being alleged above about a man murdered in front of his wife and children. The “evidence” used to smear him seems to be:
    - family members in the IRA
    - as a solicitor he represented paramilitaries
    -on Sean OCallaghan say so he is believed to have been a Provo

    Some years ago a friend of mine stated the third smear as fact. Then 2 other people did also. But I then traced all three sources of information back to unionist party circles and Sean OCallaghan in particular (amazingly for some reason he became the darling of Trimble and Ruth Dudley Edwards ). It’s a lesson in how myths are created. it seems to suit some people to focus on the veracity of SOC rather than murder and collusion,

    Mrs Finucane is an impressive,dignified individual who must follow her conscience in pursing this cause but I can’t help wishing that she could be persuaded to lay down this burden to concentrate on her own healing.

    As regards Edgar Graham, surely his family’s apparent inaction
    illustrates the diversity within victims constituency?
    May they each rest in peace and their families find some peace.

  • http://www.oldfaith.wordpress.com truthfinder

    Granni Trixie

    Your dismissal of the evidence against Finucane on the grounds of “a friend of mine” is frankly lacking any objectivity and logic.

    Sean O’Callaghan did not name many persons in his writings but he did take the time to name Finucane. Of the thousands of active republicans and solicitors in NI he choose him – why? O’Callaghan was a Gardai agent at the very highest ranks of the provisionals as was attested by the Gardai in court. (Hence he cannot be dismissed as a “British securocrat”). His credibility and evidence was accepted by an Irish court and by a jury in Slab Murphy’s failed libel trial,

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/informer-identifies-iras-top-personnel-26191795.html

    Garrett Fitzgerald attested to the facts of O’Callaghan’s credibility as an informer for the Irish State. One senior Irish intelligence officer went on record that “he most important intelligence agent in the history of the Irish state.”

    http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/15th-february-1997/16/the-smearing-by-the-green

    I would suggest that O’Callaghan’s evidence has the right to be taken at face value. That evidence is complemented by the clear testimony of Sir John Hermon, who as RUC Chief Constable had access to all of the intelligence files on Finucane. As I pointed out in the Breen/Buchannan collusion case, Sir John has demonstrated that he does not play political games with evidence on these matters. UDR Major and UUP MP, Ken Maginnis also has publicly backed the weight of evidence against Finucane.

    I think it is not insignificant to note when weighing the evidence here that Pat Finucane’s 3 brothers were convicted terrorists and he chose to align himself in publicly representing the vilest of republican sectarian murderers. I accept that the latter is circumstantial but coupled with all the rest of the evidence it is somewhat compelling.

    Your statement is the only example here of “how myths are created.”

    The ultimate irony in all of this is that there is far less credible evidence of collusion in the death of Pat Finucane and far more evidence of Pat Finucane’s collusion with the IRA. Yet only one side is being aired. Justice is supposed to be blind rather than blindsided by those who have an interest in destroying the state.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Thank you for the above Granni Trixie, I’m always surprised that no one (myself included, often) take the trouble to actually read more than the bi-line of the lead piece.

    Mick said above “Can we just pay some attention to what’s actually being said rather than who said it?”

    But has anyone (other than GT) actually read:

    “There is an analogy that I use quite frequently, which I think sums Northern Ireland up quite well. If you have a wound, a wound of any sort, you treat it a certain way to make it heal.

    Deep wounds, which this has turned out to be, because it was about collusion which affected the whole of Northern Ireland. A deep wound cannot be stitched over and just left because it won’t heal.”

    The problem is that the whole concept of Peace and Reconciliation over the past years seems to be drawing on the old “mind over matter” cannard, “If you don’t mind, it doesn’t matter”

    But what about those who do mind?

  • DC

    @Granni

    As Old Mortality has pointed out above, you would wonder if Geraldine is still fighting the war and that is stopping her from healing, if she is I think that should help you determine whether Pat was on side and in the war or just an ethical human rights lawyer, simply killed for doing his job properly.

    It is probably why there is that diversity out there that you mention and why those not at war if indeed they ever were remain so silent, such as the Grahams.

  • tacapall

    Its not surprising that the likes of DC and his new friend go out of their way to throw mud and hope it sticks, relying on the word of a paid informer, a multiple murderer who casually walked into a bar and murdered another human being, yes I suppose thats the type of person the likes of DC and Co would look up to and accept as genuine and upright, equal among his peers an all. Its not often you see loyal order members playing footsie under the table with a fenian who murdered a few of their own. If you can with a straight face claim Billy Hunter was a good man and defend his right to carry out the job he was doing in ASDA without being judged then people like above are simply hypocrites who have the ability like Winkie and Gerry and Co to speak out of both sides of their mouths.

  • DC

    You see – incorrigible you are!

  • tacapall

    Some people dont like the truth DC. Anyhow I suppose we will be hearing of your support for Gary Hegarty when his trial starts soon. Im sure you will be defending his integrity when he gives evidence against his UVF commanders like Bunter and Co in the same way you can defend the integrity of Sean O’Callaghan.

  • Granni Trixie

    Have to say I am as suspicious of the “truth” of Jack Herman and Ken Maguinness as I am of SOC.

    It’s easy to throw mud at a dead person.

  • http://www.selfhatinggentile.blogger.com tmitch57

    @DC,

    I understand that Pat Finucane also had loyalist clients, some of whom he might have “got off.” It was the choice of the British state to treat the republican insurgency as a criminal matter rather than as a counter-insurgency war. That means trials for those accused. And that means that if the trials are fair, some will be found not guilty. Your beef should be with London rather than with Finucane.

  • Barney

    The only message to take from this murder is “if you use the law we will kill you”.

  • Mark

    Truth finder , just spotted your post re Pat Finucanes’ integrity . I’ll defend it . He was a lawyer / barrister and his record in the bent dip lock courts of the North was outstanding . He defended his clients to the best of his ability and was successful in the majority of his cases . So successful in fact that the British Government had him murdered .

  • Barney

    The onus is not on anyone to defend Mr Finucane’s integrity the onus is on those wishing to justify or excuse his murder to demonstrate that a lack of integrity is a death sentence.

  • http://www.facebook.com/northdownvoice NorthDownVoice

    Sometimes amputation is the necessary healing.

    I have had to amputate my hurts.

    The 2 verses immediately following the Lord’s Prayer in

    Matthews Gospel, tell us that if we do not let go in this life we will have an eternity of hurting in the next life.

    “For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”

    I hope this lady finds peace and the meaning of life.

    Dont get me wrong acknowledge a truth in what she is saying, The deep wounds opened in the indigenous Irish in 1689 and 1690 have not been allowed to heal, had it been amputated from memory, it would be a much more peaceful land here, instead of re traumatizing the descendent’s of the Irish butchered at the boyne, year after year after year in triumphant marching with the open carrying of swords in the streets.