Quote of the Day…

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Anthony McIntyre speaking (from 16mins in) on Michael Read’s LMFM show this morning:

The day that academics and journalists and historians discover Gerry Adams was not in the IRA, is the same day that scientists will discover that Newton’s theory of gravity was wrong: that the apple when it comes off the tree it goes up the ways rather than comes down to the ground.

And for balance, here’s Gerry’s response (from 19 on) after he lauds the Garda whistleblowers in the south. h/t Kate.

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  • Charles_Gould

    “The day that academics and journalists and historians discover Gerry Adams was not in the IRA, is the same day that scientists will discover that Newton’s theory of gravity was wrong:”

    Or perhaps quite a number of days later, given that Einstein has already shown that Newton’s theory of gravity was wrong.

  • Mick Fealty

    Superseded, I think. The motor car didn’t disprove the horse and cart. It just did its job faster and more efficiently.

  • Zig70

    Tony Blair wasn’t in the armed forces although he was responsible for the war in Iraq. Semantics. I doubt he would take direct responsibility for the shed loads of civilian deaths or even military ones for that matter.

  • Dixie Elliott
  • megatron

    Yawn.

  • Dixie Elliott

    Zig70 Tony Blair’s missus so admires Marty McGuinness that she just had to give him a big hug…

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2590858/Cherie-Blair-embraces-former-IRA-commander-Martin-McGuinness-funeral-Tony-Benn.html

    It says a lot when the wife of a former British PM hugs a Republican…well so called…but what did Marty do to deserve that I wonder?

  • http://whereareyoufrancishutcheson.wordpress.com martyntodd

    I have never met anyone who believed Gerry Adams’ denial of being a member of the PIRA.

    I don’t expect Gerry Adams expects to be believed in this denial.

    I agree with Anthony McIntyre that the astute thing to have said was “No comment”. But having denied his membership once, twice and more than thrice, he can hardly now alter his position to “No comment”. If he did, most commentators would infer that he was admitting membership and his opponents would make a major song and dance about the changed position.

    Gerry Adams’ career success, in all career paths he has followed, has depended on being economical with the truth, ambiguous with the truth and blatantly unintelligible about the truth. He is not going to change now.

  • Mick Fealty

    Martyn, the problem, which Anthony didn’t really get to explaining is the debasement of currency: what else is he being economic with the truth over?

  • Carrickmoreman

    I just don’t understand the fascination with Adams’ refusal to admit/state he was in the IRA. Why would he open himself up to a “Membership” charge, especially since everyone knows he (allegedly) was in/led the IRA. The amount of ink/typing getting used on this is nuts.

  • wild turkey

    In plain truth, lying is an accursed vice. We are not men, nor have other tie upon one another, but by our word.

    If we did but discover the horror and gravity of it, we should pursue it with fire and sword, and more justly than other crimes. … after a tongue has once got the knack of lying, ‘tis not to be imagined how impossible it is to reclaim it whence it comes to pass that we see some, who are otherwise very honest men, so subject and enslaved to this vice.

    An ancient father says “that a dog we know is better company than a man whose language we do not understand.”

    Michel de Montaigne. 1574

  • Mick Fealty

    Carrick,

    No one is expecting him to self incriminate. It’s the expectation everyone else to pass on a lie.

    Green light on the fair game licence from Gerry, and the former mayor of Derry’s excelled himself on Twitter…

    http://thepensivequill.am/2014/03/former-derry-mayor-labels-boston.html

  • Morpheus

    I’m sorry but quote of the day has to be ‘to retain respect for sausages and politics, one must not watch them in the making’.

  • Mick Fealty

    On reflection, it shouldda been the “Peace Process™” rather than politics per se…

  • Morpheus

    No need for a peace process in those days Mick, it was closer to “Do you have a flag…?

  • Mick Fealty

    I prefer WT’s brilliant quotation of Montaigne (whose essays are never far from my hand, after a Croatian friend pointed me in his direction)…

    after a tongue has once got the knack of lying, ‘tis not to be imagined how impossible it is to reclaim it whence it comes to pass that we see some, who are otherwise very honest men, so subject and enslaved to this vice.

  • Rory Carr

    I note that Anthony McIntyre himself, in the course of that interview, admitted that he has also denied his membership of the IRA, denied it indeed in a court of law and this denial was rewarded with his dismissal on the charge of IRA membership. He now freely admits that at the time of that denial that he was, in fact, an active member of the IRA. I do hope that he has not now left himself open to charges of perjury. That would be most unfortunate and somewhat ironical if the PSNI sought to have the transcript of this interview handed over as evidence.

    The question that I should like put to McIntyre is this :

    Given that you have admitted your role as an active member of the IRA, would you tell us, please, what you would have done if you had been ordered by a superior officer to assist in the abduction, detention and transport of Jean McConville to her place of execution ? Would you have refused the order on grounds of conscience or would you have been an obedient soldier and carried out your orders by participating in her murder ?

  • babyface finlayson

    Rory
    An interesting question.
    What would be the correct answer?
    What should any volunteer have done, assuming they believed themselves to be on the side of the angels?

  • Charles_Gould

    To lie about something so important is insulting to those who were in the IRA and didn’t lie, and insulting to those who were victims of the IRA.

  • Neil

    To lie about something so important is insulting to those who were in the IRA and didn’t lie

    Those that don’t “lie” about membership are the people who’ve done time and cannot be charged again. Anyone who decides to not “lie” who hasn’t done time will get two years at this point and I haven’t seen a mad lemming-like dash to Maghaberry any time lately. I haven’t seen the green book, but I’m fairly sure it doesn’t recommend assisting the police secure convictions against former IRA people.

    and insulting to those who were victims of the IRA.

    Possibly though as an insult it pales into insignificance when compared to the death of their loved one. I suspect the IRA weren’t primarily concerned with the sensitivities of the families of the people they killed.

  • wild turkey

    Morpheus

    yeah, good ol Bismark. Germany’s answer to Abe Lincoln.

    However, on a totally off topic note… ah, how are you able to ‘BOLD’ highlight a comment?

    i’ have tried. with zero success. any helpful hints?

  • Dixie Elliott

    Aye, Rory Carr, ‘he now freely admits…’

    Unlike your Gerry.

    And Rory asks…”what you would have done if you had been ordered by a superior officer to assist in the abduction, detention and transport of Jean McConville to her place of execution ? ”

    Well Mackers would be about my age maybe a year or so older so he’d have been around 15 or 17 at the time of Jean McConvilles murder. Are you suggesting that superior officers in the IRA would ask never mind trust someone that age to do such a thing?

    What I’m saying is could someone be trusted at that age to cold-bloodedly kill and then bury a Mother without breaking and telling all in the barracks?

    Of course not, thats what makes your comment absurd and thats why Brendan Hughes said there was a special unit called the ‘Unknowns’ who had the job of doing such things.

    Also if every active member of the IRA had been capable of killing then the death toll would undoubtedly have been much higher.

    The fact is there were those who gave orders but kept their own hands clean, so whether or not someone accepted those orders or refused them and took the consequences is irrelevant when it comes to the actual decision and pushing ahead with it.

  • summerhill

    ‘I note that Anthony McIntyre himself, in the course of that interview, admitted that he has also denied his membership of the IRA, denied it indeed in a court of law and this denial was rewarded with his dismissal on the charge of IRA membership. He now freely admits that at the time of that denial that he was, in fact, an active member of the IRA’.

    Why did AMcI tell this lie and does anyone believe that this is the only lie told by AMcI?

  • Dixie Elliott

    Rory a question for you. Could you defend IRA Superior Officers who gave orders for, or even encouraged military action, including killing after they had decided that a war couldn’t be won by that means?

    In fact up to years after they had decided it couldn’t be won?

  • stewart1

    Dixie

    After reading your last comment, my first thought was Iraq & Afghanistan.

  • Charles_Gould

    The *least* the victims of IRA terrorism deserve is for the IRA’s leader to be honest that that is what he was.

  • Dixie Elliott

    steward1 maybe that’s why Tony Blair’s wife Cherie gave Marty such a warming embrace at Tony Benn’s funeral?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2590858/Cherie-Blair-embraces-former-IRA-commander-Martin-McGuinness-funeral-Tony-Benn.html

  • Dixie Elliott

    Rory Carr you noted…

    “I note that Anthony McIntyre himself, in the course of that interview, admitted that he has also denied his membership of the IRA…”

    You should take your note pad back to the interview, what Mackers actually said was…

    ‘I was found not guilty in a court in 1983 of being a member of the IRA while I sat in the court as a member of the IRA.’

    He didn’t get into the witness box therefore he could not have committed perjury could he? In fact at no time during that interview did he admit that he denied anything, you made that up didn’t you?

    In fact Rory my advice to you would be to stay out of witness boxes because you’d clearly hang yourself.

  • Rory Carr

    In response to Dixie Elliot’s wriggling exercise above that is a lesson in how to avoid answering a difficult question I would draw attention to this article from the Newsletter of 11 November 2013 which reports that a Sunday newspaper had reported that Mrs McConville’s son, Jim had been given the name of his his mother’s killer.

    ‘“I was recently approached by grassroots republicans who were sympathetic to the McConville family,” Jean McConville’s son Jim said yesterday in a Sunday paper.’

    The man named was the late Patrick McGeown. ‘The paper claimed that McGeown was only 17 when he shot Mrs McConville in the back of the head…”‘ (My emphasis.)

    ‘Mr [Gerry] Kelly said McGeown started “barricade duty” at 13 and then joined the local unit of the IRA in the Beechmount area. He added that “at one point he held the most senior rank in the Belfast brigade of the IRA”.’

    ‘He [McGeown] was jailed in the Republic for explosives offences aged 14 and at 16 was interned before being imprisoned for a bombing attack.’ (My emphasis)

    ‘Another Sunday paper yesterday reported that the IRA member, then aged 16, who drove Mrs McConville away from her children has phoned her daughter Helen McKendry to apologise.’

    Now perhaps Dixie Elliot might wish to revise his assertion concerning the sensibilities of the IRA in using young men not yet in adulthood to carry out, not only dangerous, but also quite horrific orders. In that regard I do however accept that they were no different from, for example, the British Army.

  • Morpheus

    wild turkey: “However, on a totally off topic note… ah, how are you able to ‘BOLD’ highlight a comment?”

    Have a look at this page WT:
    http://www.w3schools.com/html/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml_formattingch

    It shows you what to put at the start and end of the bit you want to bold.

    It also shows you how to change text to italics

    To link like this then click here

  • Raymonds Back

    Was Hitler a member of the SS? Was James Connolly in The Irish Volunteers? More importantly, is the Pope a Catholic? I would contend not, as one of the precepts of Catholicism is to follow the teachings of the Pope, which the Pope, being the Pope, cannot really do without disappearing into a puff of logic (as Douglas Adams would say).

  • Turgon

    wild turkey,
    In the following discussion every time I use a square bracket [ or ] put a pointy bracket > or the other one (I can only do one or it thinks I am using the code for bold etc.)

    To make something bold, italic etc:

    Type [b] before the thing you want to make bold the [/b] after it. To make an Italic use [i] and [/i].

    You can use a combination to make words bold and italic

    To add red text with a link put [a href="the web address you want"] then the red writing you want followed by [/a]

    Here is a blog I did on the subject

    I hope that helps. If you need more email me the email is real.

    Regards

  • Dixie Elliott

    Rory Carr I see that you’ve trawled the depths of the Sunday World for an article of which the author was forced to privately concede to another well known Journalist that it was in fact based on misleading information. Something similar I might add to the attempt by a certain leading member of SF, Mark McLernon, to place the blame of Garda Adrian Donohoe’s murder on members of the Paul Quinn Support Group…

    http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/we-know-who-killed-adrian

    The quote by Gerry Kelly (at Pat McGeown’s funeral) that he ‘started “barricade duty” at 13 and then joined the local unit of the IRA in the Beechmount area.’ could describe anyone of us who became involved at that age but it isn’t proof of killing people…

    And fuck me…. ‘He (Kelly) added that “at one point he held the most senior rank in the Belfast brigade of the IRA”.’….doesn’t mean Pat held it as a 15, 16 or 17 year old.

    The fact that you’ve used unproven lies about a dead Republican who can no longer defend himself proves just how low you lot will stoop to try and deflect the attention from Adams.

    As I said Rory stay away from witness boxes… And keep the fake name because after that crap I’d want to hide my identity too.

    Also I might add that I notice you’ve avoided answering the fact that your comment about Mackers was a load of crap in that he didn’t admit to denying IRA membership.

  • Rab12345

    I posted this in another thread but perhaps it has more relevance here.

    Anthony McIntyre is a murderer of the worst kind.
    He shot four people outside a bar in Donegall Pass in a random drive by attack, killing one and seriously inuring three.
    Ken Leneghan, the man he murdered was in the UVF, but that was through chance not by design on McIntyre’s part. The other three fellas were civilians.
    When McIntyre was taken to court he laughed in the face of Ken Leneghan’s wife and young family causing them great distress. This was reported widely in the papers at the time. He was referred to as “the laughing killer”.
    The man is the Provo equivalent of Torrens Knight. How he has built a media career I will never know.

  • Dixie Elliott

    And on further reflection…Rory Carr.

    You say,‘The paper claimed that McGeown was only 17 when he shot Mrs McConville in the back of the head’

    Pat was born on 3rd September 1956 which means he was 16 when Jean McConville was abducted from her home in December 1972.

    “and at 16 was interned before being imprisoned for a bombing attack.” Says you.

    He was interned in 1973 which would have made him 17.

    Your definitely an OTR on this Rory.

  • Tir Chonaill Gael

    Did the Provisional IRA have a Tottenham cell?

  • http://www.selfhatinggentile.blogger.com tmitch57

    “No one is expecting him to self incriminate. It’s the expectation everyone else to pass on a lie.”

    @Mick,

    Actually he only need quote Sir Francis Urquhuart, “You may very well believe that, but I couldn’t possibly comment.”

  • aquifer

    Is trying to publicly justify a campaign of murderous armed blackmail, and communicating the demands of the blackmailers, any more creditable than carrying out the deeds?

    Those in the militant irish separatist loop do no believe that being in the IRA is anything to apologise for.

    But millions of people outside the loop would have difficulty in separating the blood and body bits from the politics.

    So expect ongoing untruth.

    And post rationalisation of a campaign that had little to do with civil rights, an activity effectively complimented by loyalists who would still deny Catholics those rights.