Green ‘dismissal’: “There are no policy issues, because the people you are talking about remain in the party”

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Liam Clarke has been asking some useful questions around Sinn Fein’s silent dropping of Leo Green:

Green said he had renewed his membership of Sinn Fein on January 24 and that he had not left over any single issue. We are none the wiser except that this man, who cut his political teeth under IRA army discipline, is not about to break ranks with his comrades and speak his mind.

The rumour is that, among other issues, he felt the party had pushed too far in opposition to welfare reform, but this is denied by Sinn Fein. “There are no policy issues, because the people you are talking about remain in the party,” Alex Maskey told the BBC.

It has that old familiar ‘I can’t see anything‘ logic to it. But the other implied logic is that if Leo had disagreed on policy, and in his case it would have been by necessity a private disagreement, he’d have been out on his ear.

As Liam notes, it’s mere Kremlinology. Yet it is on such scraps we mortals subsist under the benign aura of the semi detached polit-bureau‘s regime.

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  • Barney

    Semi-detached polit-bureau
    The link seems to lead to a search for threads tagged as “Semi-detached polit-bureau” on slugger almost all started by Pete Baker.

    Double plus ungood

  • Charles_Gould

    What has this to do with the Green party?

  • Neil

    Leo Green. .

  • Charles_Gould

    Doh! Thanks Neil.

  • Rory Carr

    The rumour is that, among other issues, he felt the party had pushed too far in opposition to welfare reform, but this is denied by Sinn Fein.

    If we are to give credence to such rumour-mongering from Liam Clarke we ought not be so coy as to fail to mention that one of his correspondents has pointed out that the source of such rumour was the DUP.

    But even if there is the slightest degree of veracity in such a rumour, would it not be well to consider that it would be well nigh impossible for one to continue to hold the post of Political Director who was in the least other than fully committed to the party’s decision to strenuously oppose the implementation of cruel cuts in the welfare program ?

  • Mick Fealty

    Well, if we were to wait on an official source to tell us, we’d know nothing Rory? Leo’s still in the party, so by Alex’s logic there is no difference on policy.

  • Rory Carr

    There may well be a difference on how a particular issue is addressed. Such differences while unacceptable for a political director would not in any way negate one’s membership. As debate at the Ard Fheis demonstrates their are many different views on policy – the action previously of overturning the leadership’s desire to abolish the senate being a case in point.

    Indeed there is not a party in all of Ireland (with the likely exception of one of the Trotskyist spin-offs) where their is keener informed debate at party conferences than Sinn Féin.

    This also holds true of party debate across these islands. Where once there was serious debate at the Labour Party conference and fierce (if meaningless) debate in the Liberal party, today we only have anodyne rah-rah patronising feelgood waffle which is, I suppose, a change from the downright physical repression of any dissent in the Blair/Brown era.

    The Tories do not have conferences in any meaningful sense – they have annual rallies and this is the tendency among all other parties across these islands – with the honourable exception of Sinn Féin where healthy debate still thrives and which is one reason why it is, by far, the most dynamic and most progressive party extant in the region.

  • Reader

    Rory Carr: …it would be well nigh impossible for one to continue to hold the post of Political Director who was in the least other than fully committed to the party’s decision to strenuously oppose the implementation of cruel cuts in the welfare program ?
    “strenuously oppose” – what should we expect to see in this campaign?

  • tacapall

    Some people have long memories when it comes to Leo and with an election ahead and West Belfast up for grabs its probably best to ditch anyone connected with pulling the wool over the people’s eyes in regards to Laim Adams being a suitable person to work around young children.

    And yes those party activists who take on roles that are paid a salary from the public purse do so under the understanding that their salary will be pooled into a common fund and everyone gets the same basic wage. Its a tried and tested policy of control perfected in the H Blocks by the likes of Leo and Co but some roles come with perks like getting your expenses paid plus the average industrial wage. Who decides whats not expenses or whats too expensive when the enemy is footing the bills.

  • son of sam

    For those of us outside the insiders loop of knowledge was Mr Green paid out of public funds as a Spad or was he an employee of Connolly House and paid by Sinn Fein?

  • Mick Fealty

    All, except ‘the boss’ tac?

  • Rory Carr

    I am sorry, Reader, but I cannot advise you what to expect in the campaign against Welfare Reform (aka: Screw The Needy) as, not only am I not a member of the campaign team, neither am I a member of Sinn Féin, nor indeed do I live in Ireland.

  • son of sam

    Rory
    “With the honourable exception of Sinn Fein where healthy debate still thrives”.Do the leadership of that party pay a blind bit of notice to what the faithful think?Does democratic centralism not still rule in that party?

  • Reader

    Rory Carr: not only am I not a member of the campaign team, neither am I a member of Sinn Féin, nor indeed do I live in Ireland.
    Fair enough. It’s just you used the term “strenuously oppose” about a matter that clearly concerns you. I wondered if you had got the term from an informed source, or were you just being optimistic?
    In which case, I think you are likely to be disappointed, as I don’t think they can do anything unless they choose to tap into party funds.

  • Rory Carr

    Son of Sam,

    Some may well call the structure of party discipline in Sinn Féin, “democratic centralism”, but really it is no different from other parties insofar as members are expected to support whichever policy has been adopted by the party. What otherwise would be the point of there being a party at all ?

    Reader,

    The term “strenuously oppose” is all my own and is indeed born from my own expectation more than anything. However, expectation does not, in this instance equate to optimism, I do not see what really can be done to thwart Osborne’s evil intent.

    I do like your quip about tapping into party funds – chance ‘d be a fine thing and all that.

    Perhaps some enterprising souls might take heart from the Northern Bank caper and pay a nocturnal visit to Threadneedle Street in the hope of securing funds from the Old Lady herself..

  • tacapall

    Who knows what some at the top get paid Mick and who knows where all the profits go from the various money making schemes that can be connected to Sinn Fein. Like just who does own the Anderstown News or West Belfast Taxi Assoc, Felons, Roddy’s, PD and various taxi depots not forgetting the proceeds from less publicly admitted avenues of acquiring money. All most people know is that lots of those Shinner politicos spent long periods in prison yet they seem to have accumulated lots of money and own several properties which they rent out privately. Like the average industrial wage obviously some prisoners seem to have been able to buy more from the average PDF money they received from Sinn Fein than others but then again maybe some loyal supporters donated the properties to them.

  • son of sam

    tacapall
    “All men are equal, but some are more equal than others”!!

  • Seamuscamp

    Mick
    “Well, if we were to wait on an official source to tell us, we’d know nothing Rory?”
    Actually, you do know nothing. So, are you of the Daily Mail School of “make it up or listen to the enemies”? Not only is there no “official source”, there is no source but “rumour has it”, which says little about the topic, a lot about Mr Clarke’s journalism and ethics.

  • wild turkey

    going way back to 1972, i always liked Hunter Thompsons take on the political press reportage of rumors….

    “Self-proclaimed “gonzo” journalist Hunter S. Thomson defined his brand as, “a style of reporting based on William Faulkner’s idea that the best fiction is far more true than any kind of journalism…” Maybe that’s what he had in mind when he invented a story about presidential candidate Ed Muskie on the campaign trail in 1972.

    Under the headline “Big Ed Exposed as Ibogaine Addict,” Thompson claimed that Muskie was addicted to a hallucinogenic drug called ibogaine. The prank was intended in part to test the gullibility of his fellow members of the press, who apparently proved suseptible to running with the false story. In the work, HST colorfully described the effect of the drug on Muskie, “given the known effects of ibogaine… Muskie’s brain was almost paralyzed by hallucinations… he looked out at the crowd and saw gila monsters instead of people”. ”

    … and here the crowd looks out and sees gila monsters instead of politicians

    http://willrabbe.com/microblog/2011/4/11/edmund-muskies-drug-addiction-according-to-hunter-thompson.html

  • son of sam

    Is anyone willing to answer the query I posed at 10-51 this morning?What exactly was Mr Greens role and who paid him ;the taxpayer or Sinn Fein.

  • sean treacy

    Don’t know who paid Leo but I can assure you he wasn’t employed by a relative which seems to be par for the course with your beloved stoops !