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Scottish Independence campaign certainly knows how to tell a good story…

Thu 21 March 2013, 10:25pm

Picked this up this evening from Bella Caledonia (via James Bailey on Google Plus)….

Whatever about the capacity or otherwise of the Scottish economy to easily pick up the tab for its two pillar banks (and there’s nothing in the public domain heretofore to suggest that it would not have happened), this is a great piece of political story telling…

Watch out for the annotations who is and who is not… and the Yes campaign’s top tip on how to get rid of Alex Salmond and the SNP…

Just superb!!

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  1. grandimarkey (profile) says:

    It isn’t going down very well with my Scottish friends on Facebook that the ‘No campaign’ keep trying to have the video removed for ‘copyright reasons’.

    I think this is the beginning of the propaganda war. Things are going to get very interesting in the next year and a half…

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  2. cynosure (profile) says:

    The star wars clip was a big mistake. I know from bitter experience that 20th century fox will pull that as soon as they get wind of it. Great vid though.

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  3. JR (profile) says:

    looking forward to the Irish Border Poll version already!

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  4. Drumlins Rock (profile) says:

    catchy but the rapid image changes would make you dizzy, and vaguely familiar?

    it certainly does not do what it claims, but seems to have a different message altogether, I presume making the whole no campaign appear to be a tory conspiracy? the whole “tory” “not a tory” thing seemed strange to say the least.

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  5. BarneyT (profile) says:

    The Independence campaign has to make hay whilst the Tories shine! September 18 2014. I couldnt see anything significant about that date

    Irrespective of NI and the breakup of the UK, I feel an independent Scotland is a must.

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  6. BarneyT (profile) says:

    …but alas I cant see it happening as the question and the vote is already polluted. Its a bit like the recent poll in the falklands! Pointless. The population has already been engineered or manipulated over time to create a particular allegiance. But lets hope Scotland gets the chance to set ther own path and future.

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  7. Reader (profile) says:

    BarneyT: The population has already been engineered or manipulated over time to create a particular allegiance.
    It’s fortunate that there are people like yourself who can see your way past the false consciousness that afflicts ordinary folk. Goodness; there are people out there who are so deluded that they think there can be multiple layers of identity. I’m one of them.

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  8. Red Lion (profile) says:

    The Scottish rugby player who liked to beat the English at rugby but who is pro-union gets a big ”Anti-English” banner stuck on his head?? Did I read that right??

    Have to completely disagree with number 1, in my experience and opinion many a Scots nationalist likes to think themselves ‘more Scottish’ than a pro-union Scot, and that Scots symbols and culture really only belong to those who want separation.

    The UK government should announce a Royal Commission into the UK constitution with a federal Uk ie a devo max solution on the cards.

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  9. Red Lion (profile) says:

    One thing they neglected to mention, will an independent Scotland have the euro as their currency or Pound sterling?

    Salmond will retire then, interesting.

    Is it Scotlands oil, or Shetlands?

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  10. grandimarkey (profile) says:

    Have to completely disagree with number 1, in my experience and opinion many a Scots nationalist likes to think themselves ‘more Scottish’ than a pro-union Scot, and that Scots symbols and culture really only belong to those who want separation.

    And there it is! You’ve literally just proven the point made in the video, fantastic!

    I know many pro-Independence people in Glasgow. Some are Scottish, some (like myself) are not. It’s not about identity, it’s about power and the fact that Scotland gets a shite deal being in the Union.

    Watch the video again. The points about anti-Englishness and flag-waving Nationalism are spot on. Scottish Nationalists are much cleverer than simple kilt-wearing, anti-English skinheads.

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  11. Red Lion (profile) says:

    Ha you got me, yes its Saturday eve and the bottles of beer are out. I stayed in Glasgow too, you never had to go too far b4 bumping into those anti English knuckleheads you mention, do you think they form part of the Scots nationalist dynamic?

    The pro-independence people you know, do they see it as a stepping stone to a full Scots republic and then dispense with the monarchy? Or do you think some of them would settle for something less than independence some devo max thing?

    Are you sure its not about identity? A lot of nationa;ists seem to completely throw out any sense of Britishness, while pro-union people seem to more have a dual British / Scottish identity.

    Do you know many pro-union people in Glasgow? If so would you or not agree that they are probably more likely to be comfortable with a British identity also?

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  12. ForkHandles (profile) says:

    “The population has already been engineered or manipulated over time to create a particular allegiance.”

    I know, I know. Total brain washing for people to have an allegiance to their country and not want it to break up. You wouldn’t get that sort of thinking in any other country….. :D

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  13. grandimarkey (profile) says:

    @Red Lion

    “Are you sure its not about identity? A lot of nationa;ists seem to completely throw out any sense of Britishness, while pro-union people seem to more have a dual British / Scottish identity.

    I think you are looking at this through a Northern Irish prism.

    For the majority of pro-Independence people that I know it has feck all to do with identity, monarchy, flags. It’s all about schools, jobs and the economy, all that boring shit that we just don’t get back home.

    Do you know many pro-union people in Glasgow? If so would you or not agree that they are probably more likely to be comfortable with a British identity also?

    Again with the identity! Spot the Nordie.
    In all honestly, anyone I know who is pro-Union has yet to discuss the topic with me based on identity, so I am unable to comment on how comfortable they feel in their ‘Britishness’ (which is a word I have never heard outside of the Northern Irish discourse).

    The pro-independence people you know, do they see it as a stepping stone to a full Scots republic and then dispense with the monarchy?

    Rarely discussed amongst my friends. Can’t stress this enough, but when my girlfriend is thinking about the future of her country and the upcoming referendum and how it will effect her in real terms she doesn’t give a fiddlers about the old lady in London, she cares about the education system she’ll send her children through, which hospitals will look after her family when they’re sick, how much money she’ll have in the bank, energy bills, all that boring shit.

    In my humble opinion however, I’d imagine that the Queen would be retained as head of state for a long time, if only as a gesture to the other countries in these islands.

    I stayed in Glasgow too, you never had to go too far b4 bumping into those anti English knuckleheads you mention, do you think they form part of the Scots nationalist dynamic?

    It’s difficult not to generalise with that. I would say that anti-Englishness does not necessarily equate to pro-Independence. There are many blue-blooded Ranger’s fans who would spout the biggest hatred of the English yet they may be less inclined to vote for independence, given the banner unfurled in Ibrox yesterday. Scotland isn’t NI and the political identities here are no where near as easily tied up with religion and/or football allegiance.

    On a cheerful note the latest poll in The Sunday Times today shows the narrowest gap so far in the race. A mere swing of 5% would see a referendum carried. And there’s only 18 months to go! The next year and a half are going to be immensely fun.

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  14. Red Lion (profile) says:

    Interesting stuff GM. I know that the bread and butter has a lot more to do with it. But from my time in Scotland I found they were forever chest beating prattling on about Scottishness, but as you say its difficult not to generalise about this sort of thing. And yes some of the anti English comments came from the Ibrox crowd. Only some. At times I was quite stunned at the level of casual and sometimes rabid anti English comments, I never heard the same open casualness in NI about matters sectarian, but as you say its not like for like.

    In a way Im kind of fascinated by Scotland, its a kind of strange fish, lots of contradictions everywhere. My overall impression is being happy enough with a devolved Scotland within the UK, refine and improve the devolution for sure, but not chuck it out completely. I think that’s where Salmond is canny by framing ‘independence’ as keeping constitutional monarchy.

    On a serious note do they expect to stay in the GB pound or go to the euro if independence is carried?

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  15. GavBelfast (profile) says:

    An entertaining video – but loaded with shallow drivel.

    In particular, just love the way the banking crisis is glossed-over. So, it wouldn’t have happened in an independent Scotland but, if it had done, Scotland could have “coped quite easy” with a bail out worth 40% of its GDP, could it?

    Right about one thing, of course – it is for Scotland to decide.

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  16. FDM (profile) black spot says:

    @GavBelfast

    “An entertaining video – but loaded with shallow drivel.”

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    A quarter of the population don’t have ANY qualifications. None.

    Many people preface their day at work, or indeed populate their lunch hour with the reading of very shallow tabloid newspapers or other media. The viewpoints of these tabloids (or other tabloid media) then become the views that these people then express in conversation in their houses, in the bars, in their worplaces and other social outlets later that day.

    Shallow will work just fine for a VERY large proportion of the population. The video uses the modern countdown structure which we see in populist programming like “Rude Tube top 50 whatever”, or “Top 100 war films” which litter the schedules. It is shorty, punchy, humourous and uses a swatch of populist film snippets which keeps the viewer engaged to gloss -over what can be complex and indeed boring subjects.

    This is the reason why the “No” campaign are trying desperately to suppress it. It works.

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  17. GavBelfast (profile) says:

    We shall see.

    A think a fair proportion of the “target audience” won’t vote anyway.

    I do worry about their leaving the UK having a disruptive effect in NI – because I don’t want to see any more victims of conflict in NI – but, otherwise, if they want to leave, they should leave and if they want to remain, they should remain.

    It’s up to them (though the rumblings from the Northern Isles and, to a lesser extent, some of the Western Isles, are somewhat amusing.

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