Friday Thread: Maybe what Peter and Martin need is better meetings?

No, really.. This YouTube is from Bernie DeKoven where he talks with Michael Schrage and Rob Fulop to discuss collaboration how he helped two software engineers to get past some block when they were trying to build one of the first interactive advertising apps…

Rob Fulop…

“There wasn’t a lot of shared vision of what we were making because there was no models in the world to look at… and that is where we got stuck since there was no where in the world we could point at and say our thing’s like that…”

Sound familiar? Boys, maybe you should talk to Bernie?

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  • http://ardoynerepublican.blogspot.com/ Ardoyne Republican

    The GFA and it’s Assembly at Stormont have been badly exposed as nothing more than an illusion of peace. An uneasy peace between Unionism and Nationalism, Republicanism doesn’t really come into play as PSF have abandoned that particular idealogy in favour of constitutionalism.

    A brand of politics that has always failed the Nationalist/Republican community in the Six Counties.in favour of a sectarian head-count and a future referendum on Ireland’s unity.

    Sadly, the GFA has also failed the Unionist/Loyalist community as they believed their future within the so-called UK was secure forever. When we all know that also isn’t true.

    It doesn’t matter how many meetings the DUP and PSF have because they will forever have a tug of war over the future of the failed Six County State. The only viable alternative is for an All-Ireland Socialist Republic, where everyone can be equal and without the interference of foreign imperialist governments.

  • Mick Fealty

    AR,

    Thanks for that. If you’d be up for it, I’d welcome a guest post on that subject for another thread?

  • Coll Ciotach

    A socialist republic? Here is one republican who does not share that dream

  • Rory Carr

    The only viable alternative is for an All-Ireland Socialist Republic, where everyone can be equal and without the interference of foreign imperialist governments.Ardoyne Republican

    O. K., Ardoyne, I’m sold. I’m well up for that.

    So, what’s the programme ? What’s the strategy ?

    What’s the time frame ?

    Oh, and who are the leading cadres by the way ?

  • tacapall

    “The only viable alternative is for an All-Ireland Socialist Republic, where everyone can be equal and without the interference of foreign imperialist governments.”

    Im up for that AR, put your thoughts on the table.

  • Mick Fealty

    Just a passing thought… anyone watch the video?

  • MALCOLMX

    AR,

    Your post is seriously lacking detail on how to actually bring about that viable alternative you speak of. Lets hear the detail!

    Let me make a suggestion, put you and your RNU comrades forward for election and let the people have their say but as you know only too well your so-called brand of republicanism is nothing more than a cover of the taxing of drug dealers and the extorting of money from local businesses while directing well known anti-social and criminals elements from across Belfast to destroy Ardoyne once every summer although most do a good job of that all year round.

    With the greatest of respect you and your brand of republicanism sullies the good name of republicanism.

  • Zig70

    Fairly low-fi stuff, most managers should be familiar with a range of brainstorming or process creation techniques. 6sigma covers most of it. God, I’d hope dfdfm are aware of it and certainly public servants are trained in it, though departmental protectionism can choke good management.
    As for a socialist republic, catch a grip. A capitalist Ireland maybe. Let me know when you find the red army.

  • BarneyT

    From what I can detect, there is very little socialism in Northern based mainstream republicanism. I think SF represents a community that is conservative in many respects, and I would be delighted if indeed they were to return towards socialism. I did however see the early 70’s split that created the provisionals as a rejection of the leftist agenda (and not just Marxism).

  • Mick Fealty

    ZZ,

    Light touch irony is just wasted on you guys… :-)

  • Zig70

    The GFA is full of similar language. A vehicle for both parties to feel understood.

  • Mick Fealty

    Yes, but, and this is why I posted the video, the idea is great but the last year has shown that if Stormont politics doesn’t work, the street will take over. That means misery for people living at Interfaces like Short Strand/Pitt Park/Clandeboye Gardens.

    And, although we always knew this was a problem with the design, it clearly requires two partners who can find a way to agree common actions… I get no sense there’s any personal friction between Peter and Martin, but it’s clearly not working.

    The denouement to this story is resolution, leading to action…

  • http://nalil.blogspot.com Nevin

    “the last year has shown that if Stormont politics doesn’t work, the street will take over”

    There’s a mutual veto in the OFMDFM; the current bout of street politics has emanated from council level where no such veto exists.

    The misery is at its worst and most obvious in the places you name, Mick, but the fall out can be seen in many other places too, as I witnessed in the disgraceful scenes in Moyle last Monday night.

    Stormont politics can’t work satisfactorily because of the constitutional settlement, a settlement that fosters confrontation, petty victories and loyalist and republican violence.

    “although we always knew this was a problem with the design”

    The solution will only be as good as the specification of the problem but it seems that our leading politicians are unable to accept the nature of the problem. Without a ‘shared vision’ we’re left with ‘iterations of crap'; what we need, apparently, is ‘coliberation’ – and a facilitator :)

  • Mick Fealty

    Well, I think the more telling part of the video is the bit where we all admit we are trying to build something that’s never been built before.. That would be a start, no?

  • Comrade Stalin

    Each day seems to bring more news of unionism failing to lift its end of the log in terms of supporting the political process and uphold powersharing, warts and all.

    All we need is a statement calling for the protests to stop and for the violence to end. For Christ’s sake the UVF, UDA and Orange Order in East Belfast managed it. Why is it so damn hard for political unionism to do it ?

    It is becoming more and more clear that unionism is a rudderless ship. Peter Robinson tried to persuade everyone that he was keeping the show on the road but in the past few weeks he has collapsed like a dodgy soufflé.

  • aquifer

    Do people who have not been listened to not listen, ending with a dialogue of the deaf? The DUP do not have the ear of the English. SF had to point a gun at our heads to get us to listen at all. Maybe “an All-Ireland Socialist Republic” was just an idea nobody is interested in, the answer to the question: who gains? being ‘everybody loses’.

    I like the idea of putting ideas up for examination and reflection.

    Like putting the programme for government up with its own website, budgets and all, to see does any of it make sense.

  • http://nalil.blogspot.com Nevin

    “we all admit we are trying to build something that’s never been built before”

    Do you include London and Dublin in this, Mick, they are two of the key players.

  • tacapall

    “All we need is a statement calling for the protests to stop and for the violence to end. For Christ’s sake the UVF, UDA and Orange Order in East Belfast managed it. Why is it so damn hard for political unionism to do it”

    Comrade maybe you just dont see that they are just different legs of the one spider. The UVF and the UDA spoke out of both sides of their mouths too before it became unsustainable and counterproductive for the British government and the PSNI to allow the violence to continue. the civilized world was watching and asking why is this being allowed to continue. Political unionism, like it has always done with violent loyalism, acted as their apologists in condemning the violence but giving legitimacy for the reasons behind the violence.

  • http://ardoynerepublican.blogspot.com/ Ardoyne Republican

    @mick fealty;

    Would be more than happy to outline our analysis for Slugger chara.

    A.R.

  • Zig70

    There is very little new under the sun. Two cultures in harmony? Hong Kong? Certainly there is a lot of experience from business takeovers/ international business where two company/site cultures co-exist but the preferred result for performance is general one culture

  • http://www.secondnature.ie Michael

    Loads of people in Northern Ireland understand a lot about conflict resolution and how to do that but very very little about managing meetings, especially ones where emergence is encouraged – where people can go to a new place not before articulated.

    It seems that all policy is stymied by the process it goes through – thought up in a room on the basis of a consultant’s risk-averse report, put out to limited public scrutiny and disappearing back into said room for final butchering.

    Every now and then a bigger exploration of issues emerges – such as a Forum! They are normally usual suspect heavy and a veneer.

    It is fairly much pointless having meetings about a constitutional solution – best get people collaborating on the stuff they want to do and are able to work on together. There are plenty of things everyone can agree are a priority and deserve sorting and you never even know – a history of collaboration with each other may produce results that last into other issues – like governance!

    It’s just that no one sees the need and no one asks for these meetings to be created. Stupid public sector (as in group thinkers).