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PSNI officer’s car targeted with ‘viable device’ in East Belfast

Sun 30 December 2012, 11:43pm

Dissidents are believed to have again targeted the car of a PSNI officer living close to police headquarters.

[BBC] The unexploded device was discovered on the Upper Newtownards Road at about 14:00 GMT on Sunday.

A controlled explosion was heard across East Belfast this evening.

Police and politicians have condemned the attempted murder of the officer and his family who were about to travel with him.

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  1. Carrickmoreman (profile) says:

    Bombed to go off when it gets near the station? Would be a “spectacular” attack.

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  2. Another sad day, but very predictable given the failure of Nationalist Politicians in the North to properly address the root causes of conflict in Ireland…

    As well as the renamed RUC to allow itself to be directed & managed by MI5..

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  3. galloglaigh (profile) says:

    AR

    Some would argue that the renamed IRA has allowed itself to be directed & managed by MI5. The latter is one of a small group of organisations that is benefiting from attacks like these. From a unionist or British perspective it gives their presence in Ireland legitimacy. The best way to fight the British is at the ballot box. The democratic vote to remove the Union flag in Belfast, shows how a connected nationalist bloc can inflict more pain on collective unionism, than any device left under any car.

    It’s high time these defenders of Ireland put their policy to the people.

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  4. Reader (profile) says:

    galloglaigh: The democratic vote to remove the Union flag in Belfast, shows how a connected nationalist bloc can inflict more pain on collective unionism, than any device left under any car.
    Now that the quest for a United Ireland has been put on hold, is the nationalist cause now reduced to a competition as to which strategy can inflict most pain on unionism?
    Can’t wait to see the next batch of manifestos.

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  5. Henry94 (profile) says:

    Ardoyne Republican

    Another sad day, but very predictable given the failure of Nationalist Politicians in the North to properly address the root causes of conflict in Ireland…

    This kind of attempted murder does not arise out of any widespread alienation which could be resolved by nationalist politicians doing anything differently. This is a small and extremely unrepresentative group of people who have convinced themselves that violence is beyond merely justified and beyond merely a legitimate tool in a struggle but has some kind of validity in itself.

    Republicans have used violence but they were always willing to stop when it was futile. The border campaign in the late 50s and early 60s was called off for that reason.

    The peace process was an acknowledgement that violence could not move the situation forward. There is no analysis in existence that explains how violence can achieve anything now. There is just doing violence to show that it can be done. It is stupid beyond measure, promoted and let by people who are more angry about the debates they lost inside the republican movement than they are about partition.

    What we are faced with is a death cult. The whole of Ireland is united against it.

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  6. Zig70 (profile) says:

    I don’t think nationalist politicians have power to counteract the teachings from a mothers knee. If anything they want to encourage devotion to nation and the politicians that want to control it. The best thing you can do is better yourself, your community and this island rather than worrying about secret squirrels. I just wish these nutters would work out their end game and see how pointless it is. They need to think for themselves rather than retoric.

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  7. ArdoyneUnionist (profile) says:

    The glorification of terrorists like the hunger striker parades and events every year and the event that Martin McGuinness attended on Christmas eve for IRA member and terror trainer Phil O’Donnell. You would have thought that it would have taught republicans, like Gerry Kelly’s bombing partners. That filling children’s heads full of hate for British people will only lead to more republican murders of the British people in this part of the United Kingdom.

    As eluded to in Dolours Prices article, Irish republicans have a pathological hatred of the British people and to be told as a child and have it perpetuated in terrorist glorification events at Roman Catholic church property and at GAA grounds. Must give the child the impression that there is a form of sanctioning by a recognized authority, and this must surely have an impact on young minds and their attitudes when an adult.

    “My father used to sit us on his knee and tell us stories about how he’d gone off to war in 1939 at the age of 19 to bomb the English”.

    “Price and her younger sister, Marian, now 59, followed a family tradition of Republicanism.
    “It is not enough to say we were born to be Republicans, it’s more precise to say Republicanism is part of our DNA,” she said.” “My father used to sit us on his knee and tell us stories about how he’d gone off to war in 1939 at the age of 19 to bomb the English”.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/northernireland/9560100/Republicanism-is-part-of-our-DNA-says-IRA-bomber-Dolours-Price.html

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  8. @ Galloglaigh,

    I don’t wish to get into the pro’s & con’s about Armed Struggle but those who now advocate only political struggle are mere hypocrites given their previous support for armed actions!

    As for evidence concerning MI5 involvement, there’s stacks of firm evidence that senior Provisionals were actively working for the british, Steaknife, Denis Donaldson to name a few…

    I’d really prefer it if those involved in armed activity pursued their objectives through politics only but the existence of Partition, Diplock Courts, Selective Internment, Political Imprisonment, Political Policing and Unionist Veto over an Irish National Democracy make that particular argument all the more harder…

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  9. tacapall (profile) says:

    So AU whats the difference between burning a policeman/woman to death with petrol and putting a bomb under his/her car to kill them, the end result is the same and the same ideology is used as an excuse for carrying it out, its not just an exclusively republican trait. Maybe you should look closely at some of those banners Orange Order members carry during their very public parades. By the way why are Catholics not allowed to join the Orange Order ?

    These type of actions serve no purpose in the fight to remove British influence from Ireland, it can never be justified to take or harm another human being it is not necessary and is counter productive in that it stalls change rather than encourage it.

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  10. galloglaigh (profile) says:

    AU

    The glorification of terrorists like the OO parades and events every year, you would have thought that it would have taught loyalists, like the DUP’s bombing partners, that filling children’s heads full of hate for Irish people will only lead to more loyalist murders of the Irish people in this part of the United Kingdom.

    Many an article has alluded to unionist pathological hatred of the Irish people, and to be told as a child and have it perpetuated in terrorist glorification events at Protestant church property and on Stormont grounds, must give the child the impression that there is a form of sanctioning by the OO, and this must surely have an impact on young minds and their attitudes when an adult.

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  11. galloglaigh (profile) says:

    Reader

    No competition, as this year and others have shown us, unionism is quite adequate at inflicting pain upon its own flock. Hence this year’s loyalist riots, and similar murder attempts as the one yesterday.

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  12. david thistle (profile) says:

    God, to an observer across the water, this is SAD. Why would you want to inflict pain upon your supposed cherished brothers?
    Do you REALLY believe these dissidents are directed by MI5 against the interests of UK citizens?
    The “failure ” of Nationalist politicians??????????????
    Can they, or should they, ignore the results of the ballot box?

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  13. ArdoyneUnionist (profile) says:

    The fact that we have republican terrorists continuing their terror in the murder of David Black and the attempt to kill a police officer, his wife and their two young children. Can only be a failure of republican politicos and politics.

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  14. galloglaigh (profile) says:

    Do you REALLY believe these dissidents are directed by MI5 against the interests of UK citizens?

    Pat Finucane was a UK citizen. As where the hundreds of others laid out for death by MI5 and RUC Special Branch. So yes it is a possibility.

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  15. sonofstrongbow (profile) says:

    Nationalist terrorists attempt to bomb a family and it’s down to MI5? Such reasoning makes it easier to understand the antecedents of the delusional motivation that must drive the murder gangs.

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  16. galloglaigh (profile) says:

    SOS

    After a number of reports, it’s hard to deny that MI5 were directing terrorism. But just you keep the tinfoil hat on. That’ll keep you safe from those delusional murder gangs, both loyalist and republican.

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  17. Zig70 (profile) says:

    If the dissidents want to deal a blow to MI5 then stop. Don’t feed the machine. If they want to reduce the number of police then stop. They would drastically reduce the manpower used to tackle dissident threat. You might even get added benefits of seeing MI5/Police direct their efforts towards loyalist criminality. They would take the bogeyman out of Unionist politics.
    Instead of buying weapons, help a single mother with childcare so that she can get to work, chase the kids of the streets and back to school, use your money to help a local business get through this recession. Irish unity will be won by the persuader not by terror.

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  18. ArdoyneUnionist (profile) says:

    galloglaigh, “Tinfoil hat on”. Why not ask slugger poster Ardoyne republican what the inside track is? I think he is part of, and I know he posts for and the republican network for unity. And they appear to have the ear and support the current IRA terror campaign.

    He can give us his interpretation of whether the PSNI and or MI5 are puling the strings of the current IRA terror campaign.

    However, I couldn’t find any posts of his saying that any of the groups in the current IRA campaign were MI5 infested. In fact he goes out of his way to bemoan the PSNI for giving the current IRA terror groups a hard time.

    If there was MI5 involvement would the shinners not be gurning all over the media about it to diminish the current IRA terror groups and increase their status as putting manners on the securocrats and the shinners are stony silent???

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  19. ArdoyneUnionist (profile) says:

    The PSNI have now confirmed there was another IRA murderous attack on the police and public at Tandragee. A day after another IRA attack on a family a mother, father and two children in Belfast.

    “Police are on high alert after dissident republicans were suspected of planting an explosive device close to a police station in Co Armagh.

    Just a day after a device was discovered under the car of a PSNI constable, a pipe-bomb was found close to the gates of a police station in Tandragee, near the homes of elderly residents, yesterday morning.

    Residents were evacuated from their homes for a number of hours while Army technical officers examined the object, which was later declared a viable device.

    The Tandragee incident happened just five days after another pipe-bomb device was found in the Mid-Ulster area”.

    Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/terror-alert-bomb-is-left-near-armagh-police-station-16256287.html#ixzz2GioT55Nj

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  20. between the bridges (profile) says:

    so to sum up it was the Brits fault… well i never…

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  21. ArdoyneUnionist (profile) says:

    Another republican that is now the third, has been arrested in connection with an IRA attack on a man, his wife and their two young children.

    The 41-year-old man was detained in west Belfast on Tuesday evening.

    Two men, aged 25 and 34, were detained during intelligence-led swoops in Belfast on Monday.

    The trio are currently being questioned at the Antrim Serious Crime Suite under the Terrorsim Act 2005 on suspicion of attempted murder and conspiracy to cause an explosion.

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  22. galloglaigh (profile) says:

    AU

    While three republicans are quickly detained, no loyalist is currently being questioned under the Terrorsim Act 2005, on suspicion of attempted murder and conspiracy to cause an explosion. It would appear to an outsider, that when PSNI officers are almost murdered by loyalist terrorists, they find it hard to bring them before a court. How much protection are these terrorists given from the loyalist community, and doesn’t it show the difference between the two communities’ attitudes to such acts of terrorism?

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  23. ArdoyneUnionist (profile) says:

    Are you suggesting that the shinners have bought into some sort of political policing???

    And there’s me thinking the only group trying to bring political pressure on the PSNI was the shinners over the arrest of one of their own Padraic Wilson, for alleged IRA membership and his alleged part in aftermath of the Sinn Fein/IRA murder of the Robert McCartney.

    http://www.u.tv/News/Protest-at-IRA-charges-against-SF-member/a9b9aa7d-284c-4c7f-b033-62a17042bcb4

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  24. galloglaigh (profile) says:

    I’m not suggesting that at all. As usual, you read what you want to read, and give a reply based on your assumption of what my viewpoint is, based on your own viewpoint of what the taigs all think.

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  25. BarneyT (profile) says:

    The arrests followed up very quickly I thought. I could be wrong but I would expect a release without charge to follow shortly.

    I’m not sure that those responsible are dumb enough to get lifted so soon or those investigating are up to speed (assuming it is an external job).

    I simply don’t understand the strategy if this does turn out to be a genuine new IRA effort, particularly when loyalism is self-imploding, political unionism is dog-eared and it seems a United Ireland is best served through peace, patience and democracy.

    It’s not inconceivable to think that a third party is at work here!

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  26. Mark (profile) says:

    It’s certainly not inconceivable to consider that a third party is at work here …and I’m sure that thought would have crossed the minds of more than just Barney .

    That 200 million funding to combat the new dissident threat seems to have bought the Intelligence Services a serious slice of luck . Viable devices turning up out of the blue , bombs falling from cars etc …. We’re told this new Republican grouping has former PIRA members in it’s ranks yet if they had intelligence about this PSNI officer , then surely they would have waited until the officer was going to work as opposed to a family drive during the holidays .

    Personally , I would have been disgusted to hear a family had been blown up over the new year in any circumstances . Obviously most normal people would also feel this way , that’s why there’s a doubt in my mind about whether it was a black op / propaganda or a genuine attack . Maybe I’m just being naive ………… I hope not .

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  27. arsetopple (profile) says:

    You are watching the Conspiracy Channel. Mean while on the Discovery Channel a large rock is heading for the earth & the burning question is was it themuns or usums wot threw it:
    http://sluggerotoole.com/2013/01/01/comets-are-like-cats-they-have-tails-and-do-whatever-they-want-to-do/

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  28. between the bridges (profile) says:

    @mark, yes imho your being naive, ‘most normal people’ wouldn’t plant a bomb under a car regardless of the intended target…and if it was the dastardly brits why not pick a higher profile target too really stir it up?

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  29. Mark (profile) says:

    Yes , I thought you’d respond Bridges …..and take up my normal people comment the wrong way .

    As for picking up a higher profile ” target ” ….that didn’t seem to work the last time .

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  30. between the bridges (profile) says:

    mark, whaaa? so are you naive enough to think the ‘dissidents’ care what ‘most normal people’ think…

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  31. galloglaigh (profile) says:

    btb

    Whaaa? So are you naive enough to think that MI5 care what ‘most normal people’ think…

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  32. Mark (profile) says:

    Bridges ,

    There was a comment made about maybe ” a third party ” being invovled . I gave my opinion as to how I saw it . I’ve already touched on my naviety . You’ve seen this as a weakness , you’re already pissed off about my prediction for your footie team and now you’re looking for revenge ( lol ) .

    Have you no one left to argue with on P.ie ? …

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  33. between the bridges (profile) says:

    GG.. have you checked under you bed for that brit boogeyman…

    Mark my education of the mexicians is a work in progress…

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  34. galloglaigh (profile) says:

    btb

    No bogeymen under my bed. But you can rest assured they are active, they are directing terrorism (still), and they couldn’t care less about the decent people who want peace.

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  35. ArdoyneUnionist (profile) says:

    I see that the MI5 controlled PSNI (well according to one section on slugger), have now released the three republicans who were being questioned in connection with the IRA car bomb murder attempt on a young family, which included their two young children.

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  36. between the bridges (profile) says:

    GG ”No bogeymen under my bed. But you can rest assured they are active, they are directing terrorism (still), and they couldn’t care less about the decent people who want peace.”

    Indeed they are called republican’s… ophs i forgot to add the ‘dissident’ label which enables us to distinguish the bad guys from the good guys, who used to be the bad guys, but thought they were the good guys, because they did exactly the same things the bad guys do…

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  37. sonofstrongbow (profile) says:

    So for the usual suspects it’s the MI5 what done it. :0

    You’d wonder why the 32 This or That and the ABC IRA aren’t calling on their journalistic conduits to proclaim their innocence and to assure us all that although they are terrorists they would not want to do any actual terrorising.

    Perhaps this conundrum is not being widely questioned on this site because we’re all spooks/securacrats as well just talking at each other from adjoining offices in Loughside?

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  38. BarneyT (profile) says:

    “BarneyT (profile) says: 2 January 2013 at 2:13 pm The arrests followed up very quickly I thought. I could be wrong but I would expect a release without charge to follow shortly.

    I’m not sure that those responsible are dumb enough to get lifted so soon or those investigating are up to speed (assuming it is an external job). ”

    Ok, I’m quoting myself, not to blow my trumpet (as the expected release has occurred) but to emphasise what I thought was predictable and representative of a policing pattern of behaviour. We have seen arrests made and subsequent releases on too many occasions.

    Perhaps the “face fits the crime” strategy of the past is not as easy to dust off as they thought.

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  39. BarneyT (profile) says:

    sonofstrongbow – for what its worth your posting brought a smile to my face.

    I concur that whatever “journalistic conduits” are available to the “utterly butterlies”, they are being under utilised. Their ancestors (or those that once occupied the same space) were much more media aware and cute with it.

    Then again, perhaps they have nowt to say about this and other acts (with or without the use of expired no-more-nails)….as its all in-house?

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